Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

*GROWL* and here I thought I couldn't get more pissed off. e.e;

Just a reminder everybody... while you're voting for
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727 (which is listed as resolved pending more info, BTW)

stop over and vote for...
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13032 as well to try and bring some sense into the keyword nonsense

thanks and back to your regularly scheduled program.

Someone changed it to Resolved.

I made a 50m 3 prim letter A to place in the sky above my land quite a bit larger than the one someone else has been giving out...shows up like a sore thumb..lol
If anyone with enough land wants a copy just IM me inworld.

The Jira has been reopened.

We tried reason, we tried passion, we showed them numbers and we tried to show that we are more that 2%-4% and despite all logic and reason it didn't do any good.

I'm forced to come to the conclusion that this isn't business, its personal.
Could it be the Lindens are just jealous?

So lets take a different tack...maybe they all just need to get laid.

Next Thursday the place I am involved with will have "Linden Appreciation Day". Half off lap dances to any Linden Lab employee. (Not their alts!)

Maybe if they start getting a little they might be relaxed enough to extract their heads from their backsides

Just an hour ago there were no results.

Aha ... different search types... yours was searching the website, not all SL

Oh I see what happened now.

actually it appears that nothing comes up on that search.
Not sure what it's purpose is.
http://search.secondlife.com/search.php?s=secondlife_com&q=linden&submit=Go
http://search.secondlife.com/search.php?s=secondlife_com&q=Avatar&submit=Go

You need to choose: [All of Second Life]
Choosing: [SecondLife.com] - returns no results on anything.

Kind of odd.

Try fascism... it works in PG mode... it shows all entries ... one group is stating there, that they are proud of that LL has (so one group says) reverted their ban on fascism.

However: if one searches *fascism*... the results are there. Many. Much. Too much.

In opposite to that, the word *sex* offers this answer: "Some terms in your search query were excluded due to content restrictions as clarified in the Community Standards.
There were no matches for (0.035911 seconds)"

Conclusion: fascism is clearly flagged as PG by the Lindens and is obviously not restricted by LL's community standards.

To be correct: anti-fascism is even flagged PG.

But the optic is strange...

LL bans the word sex and allows fascism and as you can see there: LL allows even serious hardcore fascists.

Hmmm....*maybe* fascism *IS* the new community standard?

What do we know...?

edit add. all found on:

http://search.secondlife.com/search.php

Aww thanks.

The Cathedral has drawn a lot of accolades. some fellow named Torley even came by recently and put pics of it on his Flickr stream. I have been wanting to build one since the day I joined SL, but it took awhile before my skills caught up with my vision. The first attempt wasn't nearly so good.

I even have some people wanting to have weddings there. This May I'll be shutting down for a day to hold a wedding there. I'm quite excited about that.

The Lindens are sure jealous.

Here is much IQ and EQ at work. Much international brain power. Many academics included. Even international ones. So we have a) emotional intelligence in here, no matter wich grade of educuation per individual, we have b) all natural logic intelligence in here and we have c) well educated and graduated intelligence and expertism in here, including some IT and Media profis and artists and whatever professions of all sorts.

Many. Much. Very much. And the numbers of daily new connected skills are growing as more the infos are multiplicated and spreaded inworld, in forums and in blogs, wikis, etc. .

The Lindens are a too small group and they are intellectual in the corner.

They are knocked out, literally.

I wonder that they are still eating the IQ-punchs - normally they should start to beg for mercy.

Hahahaha.

The ethical and moral aspects we won at the first day easily and meanwhile this competition is at a stand: x-thousands vs zero.

We have all points. Lindens have 0 points.

Same with point of views seen from the consumer protection side.

Same with point of views from the business and technical side.

Customers all points. The Lindens 0 points.

Logical, that LL is jealous, because they messed up the whole thing from all beginnings on.

They thought they can handle that by themselfs, without consulting and preparation.

The globe is full of experts, but they asked and involved none of them. They do all arbitrarily. Unfortunately.

Yes you're right -- but I searched that as Second Life and not website about three hours ago and it returned nothing for gay.

Maybe the Lindens are monitoring and making changes on the fly from what we post.

LOL just under 669 at 0955 GMT +1 and i have sent it out to our group as well, just under 900 members

I am not comfortable with Age-Verification and do not wish to provide such sensitive information to a third pary that I simply do not trust at all. I do not wish to lie about that information either. If I did, I'd already be Age-Verified.

However... Linden Labs is creating an environment where parents will no longer question *IF* Second Life is not safe for kids and will simply hand over their credit card info to little Johnny so he can have fun. Afterall, children are the only group of people that would need these kinds of strict rules. Why would you have them in place if everyone needs to be 18? I feel this is exactly what parents will think, and thus they will justify letting their kids play here. I think all these changes will work against the 18+ environment and soon no one will really be able to say... Well Second Life is 18+ for a good reason. Once that is removed, good luck trying to tell parents who buy their kids into R-rated movies, or parents who do not play SL or know what it is, that it is NOT safe for kids.

My thoughts on this topic have probably been said numerous times, but I get kind of demoralized when the thought of reading through over 600 pages of topics to see if what I said has been said.

I believe that maybe there should be a whole new rating. Like, we have G, PG and Mature. Those are all I ever see. I believe that mature should not include all content that is adult in nature. Since this is a game first, and a social network second followed by whatever else, maybe it should be separated like that.

Since this is mostly for what constitutes adult themes, I'll just focus on that.

In the mature area, what if it didn't require age verification? Now, before you say anything, this is what I think the mature area would include: All the stuff that wouldn't be allowed in the PG or G areas allowing up to some sex related stuff. This includes the violent material or the things that over all shouldn't be suitable for a younger crowd without at least some warning that they are entering such an area. When it came to sex related things, though, it would severely limit what could be done. You could have a pose ball or even a sex bed there that allowed what you could call more raunchy stuff, but it wouldn't allow flat out sex. It would limit it to say only allowing kisses of various sorts and maybe something that's sexually suggestive. This area could still sell things that are adult, however, like the nude skins, or sex beds and sex ball poses. However, stores that sold such would require some sort of system to weed out the kids, whether it's age verification methods, or something else.

Now, that leaves a lot of stuff out. I suggest that a rating of "Adult Only" be added for areas. The stuff that doesn't fit in to the mature category, this would be things that are focused on sex, and have sexual sexual things, those that could be classified as "Adult Only". These areas would mean you must be age verified to access them.

Because the problem now with making everything mature needing to be age verified are the places that aren't really adult in nature that are still mature because of maybe some random feature like blood in a zombie hunt. A movie, say like any Bond film, or a game, say Zelda have violence and even sexual themes, but they're not rated so that only adults can watch them. The separation between a mature area and adult area is what I think is needed. I bet there's hundreds of kids and teens who go in to mature areas that just are roleplays for like a zombie hunt, a space exploration, or something similar and those areas have no sexual themes. In fact they're only mature because of whatever violence they may have no matter how large or small prevents them from locating in a PG area.

Of course... I know this would be virtual hell, literally, to code basically every object in the game adult only, or just mature...


The problem I have with the Age verification thing in general is because of the people who can't verify somehow, or are paranoid about using their cards online, like me. Don't get me wrong, I could age verify if I needed to, but I really hate using any cards online after a close friend got her identity stolen. Now, i'm sure thisplace is secure, but you never know. Also, not everyone hase a credit card to identify that way, and if there was a phone method which say went off of who was on the phone bill or however it would work, not everyone has a cell phone, or even a home phone for that matter. Some people may only have a computer with internet because it's more important than a phone. I know that's rare, but it still occurs.

Those reasons alone are also why I think the mature and adult areas should be split. Because if you make all mature areas age verified only, the people who are testing this place out may not get a full experience from just a PG area if they can't age verify. Also, like I said, maybe someone who can't age verify doesn't even visit a mature area for sex.




Also, I'm curious, dunno if this was asked, but... What happens if, and when the age verification thing comes in to affect, someone invites another to a mature area like their own plot of land here? What if say two people were "married" on here and both lived in the same mature area in a house they shared, however one wasn't age verified?

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter...

As of the time of this posting, 704 votes. Not bad for a JIRA that's not even 26 hours old!

I don't think even the Hippo JIRA got this many votes so quickly!

Here is a good website to find newspapers http://www.newspapers.com and so far i have posted the following to

Wall Street Journal
New York Times
Los Angeles Times
Washington Post
New York Daily News
Chicago Tribune
New York Post
Long Island Newsday
Houston Chronicle

I have some RL stuff to do but will continue later today to post this message, to raise awarness of how the LL machine works and how the customers are treated generally. I suggest all of us here spend a little time getting the message out now LL have shown that they are not listening.

I was a bit confused by your post. LL is not requiring Age-Verification for people who want to live and visit Mature designated land. They are requiring Age-Verification OR some type of payment information on file in order to visit Adult designated land.

Also, it sounds to me what you are wanting is even a bit more strict than what the Lindens are proposing. If you own Mature designated land and you and your partner want to have sex in the privacy of your own home, you are allowed to do so. You simply wouldn't be able to advertise your land in any way using the Linden designated adult filtered words.

I'm not sure if I helped or caused even more confusion. =(

poster: https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1418575
shabby the teddy https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1428601
worn censored signs https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1429818
notecard giver:https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1321336
toy https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1416611

if there are any others out on xsl, send me the link and I'll update the ad.

I'm up for that LS - will be posting this news to all to my yahoo adult groups today - those ones with members I have recommended in the past to join SL because Yahoo was making it increasingly difficult to interact. It only take one little bit of shit to stick in the right place for someone pick the story up and fly with it - so the wider it spreads the better. Are there any specific Youtube protests around yet - just 1 good witty video can soon harvest countless hits

^L^

I think this is now the time to spread the news, will the Newspapers bother? well who knows, will it hurt LL? I doubt it but LL have got away with stiffing the customers to many times with no organized action outside of SL on behalf of the customers.

This change is the biggest yet that LL has forced on us and I for one would like to see LL be called to book on this and produce these imaginary (IMHO) figures they keep quoting at us.

Will this work and stop the changes? I doubt that, but it will raise awareness to others before they invest in SL that LL can and do change things at the drop of a hat, with NO care towards the customer base as a whole.

I've just put a blog post up listing all the freebies that I know about, the relevant jiras and the flickr group.

I didn't put any individuals who are giving them out to stop spamming etc.

If there's something I've missed or if you're happy for me to list you as the giver of an item just tell me.

http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/protest-against-the-second-life-adult-content-changes/

They re-arranged the pie menu too? So what else have they majorly Lindened in this viewer?