Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

not surprising at all. Did you ask what search tabs they use? I find classifieds are my next/last resort if places fails me, yet from what I gather all has become the tab of choice in search.. I'd love to know if this was true. If you asked that question, then outside of LL, you're probably the only person who knows

I don't use the classifieds at all, word of mouth, past purchases, and random wandering is how I shop primarily. When I do use search, I use places, and I alphabetize the results. I ignore Traffic totally.

I didn't get that specific. I know some use places, and some use All. I personally use All.

I'm not sure how important that tidbit is, all the tabs draw from the same data, and ultimately show the same things. Just maybe in different orders.

Your loss ;p

I use places as well for search. Usually, I know the name of the place I'm headed. I often look on XSL if I can't find something, or am unsure... But for the most part, I then TP to the store in world to make the purchase. I should say this was my habit before all this AC stuff happened. I now spend $0 in SL. Things are far too shakey for me to feel comfortable spending money. I am expecting that I'll be leaving Second Life, so planning to that extent.

BTW, who was it who had the "Boxed Up Bear" flicker photo prop? I guess that is how I want to leave my mark.

in case you hadn't noticed, I'm an information junkie.. all data gets thrown in the mix

If what you say is true then classifieds have a lower importance than we thought. If all is the big one then picks, groups, profile references etc take on a greater importance in branding rather than hard sell through classifieds.

If it's ads they're so scared about then as long as the parcel description is targetted then in the long run that is far more beneficial. It's going to be an interesting line to find and I'm quite happy to stop paying for classifieds if they're really not doing the job of getting eyeballs.

without more information though it's a bit of a wild guess.

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1428601

it really is a cutie

I user agreed

make that 2

and send the link to your friends and groups:

http://jira.secondlife.com/secure/ViewVoters!default.jspa?id=32914

"Yes" means that they think it will be beneficial?

I'll admit I havent bought anything in your store either, Darien.. but you WERE one of the places that convinced me the "scripted BDSM attachment" market was saturated.. every idea I've ever had for something like that can be found implemented in one or more products in your store. Now I just make evil furniture instead and target RLV users with a relay as my market - and even there some of your stuff has inspired me. So whilst I didnt buy I certainly didnt lose out by it

The link to vote at is really: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727

So you are saying Darien's stuff can't be beat with a superior product? Quite a compliment for Dari's House.

BTW I'm testing this new client and it is sort of odd. Sometimes it takes 2 or three searches on the same word for some places to show up that should be at the top of the list. Even with adult on. These are places with adult flagged words in the parcel description. Something to hammer on and see if it is consistent since that would be jira bait.

Can I third that response? It is almost verbatim what he said to me. And since I'm allowed to quote myself, I assume - here is what I said in response:


[12:59] Angelia Rees: Quite possibly a lot more than you realise. I can count 4 whole sims full of people on my end.

[13:00] Angelia Rees: Although they had not heard about it until I sent our groups a notice regarding the changes to prepare them this morning.

[13:00] Angelia Rees: I am now flooded with IMs of complaint unfortunately.

[13:01] Angelia Rees: Which I keep telling them is none of my doing, but LL's and if they are upset, they should complain to you folk. Any suggestions on where I can direct them to do that properly?

[LONG TEN MINUTE GAP]

[13:11] Angelia Rees: No response. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. I'll use my best judgement then.

Make of that what you will.

To her credit, Cyn Linden *did* respond to me. And gave me an email address where I could discuss the matter further. Which I will do. I suspect my email will just be dumped into the circular file though. *sigh*

I want to know why they are cherrypicking the adult words. some okay but others not. it opens the door for certain businesses to stay on mature land and try to hide the dirtier side of their business while still getting exposure to unverifieds. ANd the list so far makes absolutley no sense.

BTW. I did IM Jack and got a busy response. No reply. IM'd Blondin who was offline and IM'd Cyn who was also offline. No responses at all. Not that I expect any.

and may I say Prilis that I really liked your slapdown in the thread (oh, bad me)

Just to point out, incase i missed it in an earlier post. what LL is doing is exactly the same as what was done to African - Americans in the 40's through the 60's. Segregation was ruled ILLEGAL in the US.. But here we are, 50 years later, in a virtual world, bieng segregated. not for our skin color, or race, or religion. But for what we chose to do to a consentiing adult.. thats the key word kids, consenting. No one in Sl can force you to do anything you dont want to.. i know, "there is restricted life, that is forcing you to do things." You have to AGREE to use restricted Life. So, plain and simple, LL is breaking US laws against segregation. And BTW its not even a consenting adult that is having things done to them.. its a bunch of pixels. not real LL.. not real. How you can apply real laws to a virtual world is beyond me. I realize i am contradicting myself by saying you are breaking laws when you cant apply laws to a virtual wordl, but hey.. They started it.
Oh, btw.. according to Secondlife.com i am age verified... I cant access anything adult n world, but i am age verified.... typical LL screwups.

People get emotional- It isn't up to you, or anyone else to tell them that they depth of their feelings are "inappropriate". You don't know, maybe thorn feels *exactly* the same way he'd feel if his parents sold him off to a child labor camp. How can you tell?

What makes his reaction any more or less valid than yours? IT's not as if his statement put forward some testable hypothesis. Or cited evidence that was suspect. It was purely personal observation about his *own* feelings.

Maybe we could just take the comment for what it's worth- the guy feels crappy about what's happening and he wants to try to find a way to stop it- Without pissing all over it to mark our territory, k?

Honestly, Why people can't *read* an emotional outburst without feeling like they have to denigrate and belittle it, I will never understand.

^V^

Some of us take the view that making a superior product to many of Dari's lines is a lot easier said than done.

What? where? who? I'm sorry I'm not good at this forum stuff, I can't just jiggle my tits and be blonde.

Seriously though, I do think the Jira vote (whatever the correct URL) is a great idea. I for one DO believe in positive action (and jiggling) and a show of hands is a good way forward. I have spoken to a lot of people inworld now who don't understand what is going on with these proposed changes or are labouring under misconceptions of just what IS being proposed and discussed regarding these issues, and I think the lack of transparency and misinformation is a good enough reason to vote to scrap the whole damn thing and start over with a bit more common sense.

So LL wants us to verify that we are adult (18+).

That´s okay, an AVS is overdue. Too much pressure from all these oh-so-caring-about-the-kids fanatics all over the globe who condemn SL - while not hesitating letting their own children (if they have any) watch an ongoing, bloody, realistic slaughter on their home TV on daily schedule.

I get this. AVS moves SL out of the crossfire.

What i do NOT get is the in-world filtering and separation of so-called "adult", "mature" and "PG" content, whatever this is.

If anyone who logs into SL is a verified adult, why the hell THIS???? Isn´t an AVS enough?

I do NOT get it.

Time for bed and by the time I return no doubt this thread will have been put to bed with no positive conclusion.

A few days ago I suggested to Blondin that there was a tsunami of discontent swelling amongst the residents and today's jira action has proven that and still it's hardly a ripple.

However the chorus of protest has been matched by the deafening silence from officialdom. It's time for some serious explanations from some senior management and or stockholders and investors.

I believe in earlier days there used to be town hall and village square meetings about such things...nowadays it's clear that some senior Lindens are so out of touch with reality (virtual or otherwise) that one of them even thought that just 10 or so residents had a gripe

This is a casebook study in how to screw up your customer base, mishandle PR and how to loose friends and alienate people.. still, there has been some laughs such as the sad case of the Beautiful Ass that can no longer be rated PG as an Ass so I address this old joke to Senior Lindens responsible for this catastrophe If your not the front end of an ass or the back end of an ass then your definitely no end of an ass!

Don't forget to pick up your free protest poster here :-

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1418575

And even though it's apparent that nothing we say or do is going to convince this shappy crew that something stinks at least you'll get the satisfaction of telling them and your visitors

Ursula Sucks!

^L^

IM'd him and dropped a notecard with expanded comment into his inventory

^V^

I find the whole godwin concept tasteless, it says you should'nt use a political argument in a political discussion. To me this whole "adult" thing smacks of corporate fascism. Thats not an emotional response. There are important lessons to be learned from history that shouldn't be denied simply because people play the nazi card in discussions of furries or fandom.

I think it's relevant and germaine to the discussion here. We are dealing with discrimination and ostracism, the promotion of more established businesses over smaller concerns, The forcible moving of populations and communities. You can make the comparison for yourself if you have a good understanding of 20th century history, but not everyone does. Don't tell me how I can and can't put clothes on my arguments.

send me to a godwin gulag, I am gonna re-godwin my godwin:

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

-Benito Mussolini