Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Meade Paravane
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04-30-2009 12:56
From: Thorn Witrial I am talking to Jack Linden right now.. Jack's usually a decent guy, even when we're all lining up to lynch him.. Some acknowledgement that there's a very large (and growing) mob of very pissed-off residents would be great about now, Jack... edit: Thorn, you'll get in lots of trouble posting IM logs here without permission.. You should either ask Jack if it's ok to quote him or edit that out of your previous post.
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Thorn Witrial
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04-30-2009 13:01
From: Meade Paravane Jack's usually a decent guy, even when we're all lining up to lynch him..
Some acknowledgement that there's a growing mob of very pissed-off residents would be great about now, Jack...
edit: Thorn, you'll get in lots of trouble posting IM logs here without permission.. You should either ask Jack if it's ok to quote him or edit that out of your previous post. Whups. I'' remove it. didn't know. I thought it would be good for people to know Jack didn't mean it the way it sounded.
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Jamie David
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04-30-2009 13:02
From: Kalderi Tomsen Ah but you have made on fatal mistake in your reasoning - you used logic. This isn't the way this is being done, and trying to use logic will lead you down roads of conflicting messages. Go back and read what Blondin Linden has written - if you have a house with a sexbed and as long as you are not advertising adult-rated products for sale or events, you will be able to stay on "Mature" land. I understand that this is your opinion, but unfortunately that doesn't count much, as do the opinions of everyone on here whose name doesn't end with "Linden".... This I see is where the troubles will be for Lindens. The standards where not thought out ahead of time. Thought and worked over again and again. As with most things Linden it was knee jerk reaction and will come with some heavy consequences. In previous times it was an internal issue with out many legal ramifications, this time they are playing with issues that tend to end up in a court of law. LindenLab is no longer just a US company but one that has legal obligations in the UK, Japan and the EU. It will be interesting to watch.
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Meade Paravane
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04-30-2009 13:02
From: Thorn Witrial Whups. I'' remove it. didn't know. I thought it would be good for people to know Jack didn't mean it the way it sounded. Or IM him again and ask if it's ok to quote him.. Jack owns the mainland, concierge and gteam. Maybe other stuff, too. Don't piss him off!
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Ann Otoole
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04-30-2009 13:04
Why isn't Xcite on the filtered word list? Xcite has no meaning in secondlife other than adult oriented material. Some sort of money thing going on there LL? You are going to whack Strocker's thing with banning "sex" (sexgen) so you have to ban Xcite as well. In addition ban all major brand names in SL that are associated with nothing but adult content.
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Ciaran Laval
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04-30-2009 13:04
From: Meade Paravane Jack's usually a decent guy, even when we're all lining up to lynch him..
Some acknowledgement that there's a very large (and growing) mob of very pissed-off residents would be great about now, Jack...
edit: Thorn, you'll get in lots of trouble posting IM logs here without permission.. You should either ask Jack if it's ok to quote him or edit that out of your previous post. Jack is a decent guy yes, but he has also told us at previous office hours that he's not on the adult content team and directed us to the forum.
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Thorn Witrial
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04-30-2009 13:05
From: Meade Paravane Or IM him again and ask if it's ok to quote him..
Jack owns the mainland, concierge and gteam. Maybe other stuff, too. Don't piss him off! Don't want to make him mad. He was very nice and prompt when I IMed him. That's never happened before. Credit where credit is due.
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Ciaran Laval
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04-30-2009 13:06
From: Ann Otoole Why isn't Xcite on the filtered word list? Xcite has no meaning in secondlife other than adult oriented material. Some sort of money thing going on there LL? You are going to whack Strocker's thing with banning "sex" (sexgen) so you have to ban Xcite as well. In addition ban all major brand names in SL that are associated with nothing but adult content. Sexgen isn't flagged yet, the search doesn't flag partial words, dungeons wasn't banned last time I checked but dungeon was. However Xcite will surely be adult only, their content is adult according to the brown bags due to its nature. Sexgen I've been told will be fine on mature land, however I'd imagine Stroker will flag his main stores adult anyway.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-30-2009 13:07
From: Couldbe Yue The xsl forum is once more buzzing with its little drama. It seems the flickr group has upset one of the members and much hysteria is ensuing. https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=104799&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0What I find funniest is that I bought land off this guy for my main store only a couple of months ago and when I fired up my land buying girl to make the purchase he hit on me because he though she looked like a submissive, which got him going.. (she was wearing a Blaze evening dress I'll have you know). but of course there's his taste and those filthy pornographers.... Thats why i do not tend to post in those forums, it seems they feel that we should have no right to complain in their eyes lol and thanks for sharing the story about Ewan fella.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-30-2009 13:12
From: Meade Paravane Jack's usually a decent guy, even when we're all lining up to lynch him.. Yeah Jack's a good guy. I could be wrong but I don't think he's very much involved in this change. Of course he has to defend the company line to some degree and I don't fault him for that.
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Mosley Sperber
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04-30-2009 13:19
From: Talarus Luan From Jack Linden's Office Hour today: From: someone [12:00] Jack Linden: Tal, the number of people who have told me they are very upset about this is less than 10 (and I get a huge number of IMs). If this is as unpopular as you think then it's not reflected in the support calls, tickets, etc. We know that for some people this isn't a popular move, but that doesn't mean everyone Fascinating. I did contact concierge live chat a few days ago to ask what would be the best category to file a ticket under regarding questions re: the word filter, but I was told: "You can discuss/ask questions in the forum but we're not taking questions in support as yet on the AO changes." I guess if support calls, tickets, etc. are not yet *taking* questions about the adult content changes, it's hardly surprising that it's not "reflected" there ...?
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Ceera Murakami
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04-30-2009 13:19
Well, I sent jack an IM, though I doubt it will change his opinion that it is merely "some people are unhappy".
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Kalderi Tomsen
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04-30-2009 13:20
Yup, once again hyperbole roolz... http://www.flickr.com/photos/23326945@N02/3476896757/in/pool-1123492@N22"Forced move is like rape"?!?!?!?!?! Excuse me?????? Having to pick up your virtual; builds and relocate them to another continent in a virtual world is akin to being raped? Does this person have ANY IDEA what it feels like to be actually RAPED? I thought this thread was bad, but this....?
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Darien Caldwell
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04-30-2009 13:21
From: Blondin Linden Depends what Princes Leia does with that golden bikini.  I don't see this impacting the Star Wars rp community at all. 
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Jamie David
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04-30-2009 13:26
From: Thorn Witrial bettter yet, everyone send the JIRA link to Jack Linden. [13:11] Jack Linden: I didn't say that 10 people were unhappy about this change. I said that I had only heard from a few.  I am fully aware that some people are unhappy.
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Ann Otoole
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04-30-2009 13:29
From: Jamie David [13:11] Jack Linden: I didn't say that 10 people were unhappy about this change. I said that I had only heard from a few.  I am fully aware that some people are unhappy. Was that an IM? ahhummm! yew in twubble ifin it twas!!!
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-30-2009 13:34
From: Kalderi Tomsen So Second Life is going to kill everyone in the world until there is only one person left then get rid of his/her mouth? Wow, they're more powerful than I thought.  They must be..they havent heard one frakkin word we've said if they did they probably laughed about it over lunch.......like M said...they have invested too much time and work and money...they will bow when we tell them. Why do you think we are here in this thread that hardly nobody knows about? To silence us sheep...but it's ok they made their little secret plans and i've made mine. My frakkin donkey aches from working all day...takin a break
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Ceera Murakami
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04-30-2009 13:35
From: someone Jack Linden: If this is as unpopular as you think then it's not reflected in the support calls, tickets, etc. We know that for some people this isn't a popular move, but that doesn't mean everyone But the vast majority of people don't even know it's coming yet. And among those who do, a very large segment of the people who will be adversely affected CAN'T submit support calls or tickets, becuse they are non-premium RENTERS who will be evicted because of this, with no help whatsoever in finding suitable rental space after the forced moves are over. Most of those renters are going to either have to go out of business or pay usuriously high rates to the land speculators to get access to "approved" land that they can do business on. Take a look at any mall in SL. Count the people who sell adult content. Every one of them is going to have to relocate, and they don't have "land to swap". They are screwed, big time. If they are VERY lucky, and the mall they are in is mostly adult stuff anyway, or the sim they are in is a private sim that is mostly adult stuff, then they can stay with their current landlord when they either re-zone the private sim or move to Ursula. But most of them will just get evicted, with no place at all to go.
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Ceera Murakami
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04-30-2009 13:37
From: Jamie David [13:11] Jack Linden: I didn't say that 10 people were unhappy about this change. I said that I had only heard from a few.  I am fully aware that some people are unhappy. How interesting. He cut and pasted the EXACT SAME words to me when I IM'ed him. Not one letter more or less. The lazy SOB isn't even bothering to reply to IM's individually!
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-30-2009 13:39
[12:00] Jack Linden: Tal, the number of people who have told me they are very upset about this is less than 10 (and I get a huge number of IMs). If this is as unpopular as you think then it's not reflected in the support calls, tickets, etc. We know that for some people this isn't a popular move, but that doesn't mean everyone
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Of course he's only heard from a few......no one knows about it...he's not stupid..if he posted it on login he would never get to eat lunch from the 1000 chasing him with tar and feathers..hahahahaha
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Brieanne Bomazi
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I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-30-2009 13:42
From: someone Dear Jack,
In your office hours today you stated
[12:00] Jack Linden: Tal, the number of people who have told me they are very upset about this is less than 10 (and I get a huge number of IMs). If this is as unpopular as you think then it's not reflected in the support calls, tickets, etc. We know that for some people this isn't a popular move, but that doesn't mean everyone
There are two reasons for that:
(1) Conversation was directed at the Forums, and to Blue and Blondin Linden. There are 14,000 messages there on just the Further Conversation section. Including MANY MANY good suggestions on ways to make this a more positive experience, restore customer relations and confidence in LL.
(2) Most of SL does not even know this is happening yet. In talking to people every day in the game, most don't know whats up with the Adult Content changes, and those that do don't know the details. I have talked to LOTS of people that are clueless, and even more that laugh and call it the *next big scam*. The only way to assure that everyone potentially affected by these changes are aware of whats coming, AND if this is the positive change that LL thinks it will be, would be to post a mandatory poll on every log-in. See what overall the response is, and PAY attention to the responses. LL wouldn't be what it is today without a combined effort from content creators, resisdents and LL alike. When a change this major is coming, please remember the ones that have stuck it out, paid in their hard earned money, and helped make SL what it is today.
So, I'm Letting you know that I am not upset about trying to separate adult stuff from kids, that's a reasonable goal, and enforcing separation and verification will go part of the way to doing that.
I am, however, very upset about the details of how you are doing this. It will be very disruptive to many businesses, groups, and individuals , including me. I have 5+ years in SL, and to say that i have weathered the changes is an understatement. I have been an avid Linden supporter on various issues, and with the exception of one linden, all i have personally dealt with have been extremly great. I think that more of the input from the forums should be considered.
Sincerely,
Brieanne Bomazi Owner, 3+ Years XFE-xXx Fantasy Escorts Phasma
and yes.....*I* am Adult Content.
I received the note card in a group message, altered it, and dropped it on Jack.. lets see what his response is. and he was in busy mode... so i IM'ed him letting him know i dropped it on him.. we shall see what happens. ~Brie
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Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
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04-30-2009 13:42
From: Ceera Murakami How interesting. He cut and pasted the EXACT SAME words to me when I IM'ed him. Not one letter more or less. The lazy SOB isn't even bothering to reply to IM's individually! HE HAS A BOT DOING IT HE'S OUT GOLFING. and with our money...same as the nice steak he will have tonight courtesy of us residents
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Minx Eisenhart
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04-30-2009 13:45
other vitural worlds that i am a part of have done studies that show that only about 10% of their user base ever reads the forums or blogs. the rest of the users are content to wander around blissfully unware of the changes that are happening, till they happen to them, and by then its too late. This makes me think LL must be aware of some of these numbers (that the percentage that reads forums or blogs are soo low) that it might be an attempt to make the changes unknowen to the masses in hopes of them not finding out till its to late. If they really wanted everyone to know they would post the changes on the login screen. By not doing that they are assuring themselves that by the time the avrage user hears of this it will be tolate to change.
LL if your not scared of telling the avrage user of the changes why not tell them? Failuar to tell them sends those of us that read the forums a clear message that you want t sneak this by damned be the avrage users!!!!
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Ciaran Laval
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04-30-2009 13:49
From: Ceera Murakami But the vast majority of people don't even know it's coming yet.
And among those who do, a very large segment of the people who will be adversely affected CAN'T submit support calls or tickets, becuse they are non-premium RENTERS who will be evicted because of this, with no help whatsoever in finding suitable rental space after the forced moves are over. Most of those renetrs are going to either have to go out of business or pay usuriously high rates to the land speculators to get access to "approved" land that they can do business on.
Take a look at any mall in SL. Count the people who sell adult content. Every one of them is going to have to relocate, and they don't have "land to swap". They are screwed, big time. If they are VERY lucky, and the mall they are in is mostly adult stuff anyway, or the sim they are in is a private sim that is mostly adult stuff, then they can stay with their current landlord when they either re-zone the private sim or move to Ursula. But most of them will just get evicted, with no place at all to go. When people start to realise what's going on it's going to be too late. Linden Lab should be informing people of this policy in bold letters. This is going far beyond 2-4% of extreme content.
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Thorn Witrial
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This Explains Everything
04-30-2009 13:50
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