Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Sorry, but this is not true.

LL is saying that some people, those not verified, cannot see some content in SL. There IS censorship, not a simple zoning.

You may be right .... I just can't keep up with this thread (I skipped at least some 100 posts in the middle). If I've been replying to an obvious troll, then I apologise ... in any case, I think I've said all I wanted to say anyway, and will now return to lurking

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I would rather they didn't do this plan if it's not going to accomplish a goal. Saying "well, they HAVE TO do something" doesn't cut it - the current plan causes more harm than good and gives people a false sense that kids are being kept safe when they're really not.
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At least it would show LL isn't completely overrun by mindless Ogres who resort to MBA manuals to solve problems.

To be specific, all version 5.0, 5.01 and 5.01a SexGen beds that were rezzed in-world a few weeks ago lost a MAJOR chunk of their data storage scripts. The asset deletion gutted those items, and made them worthless. It was repairable, but required people sending their beds to Stroker for repair.

I know. It wiped out SIX beds that I own! All repaired, now.

Originally , I was under the impression the required age was to be 18 yrs of age, now I am hearing rumors that it is to be age verified at 21 being able to access adult content, could someone please IM me inworld with the link to where i might find this information , or tell me which is correct, (has interest in adult contented sim is why i am concerned) I am im my 40's so i am definately old enough LOL. Thank You in advance for your help.
Fawn

I fail to see with what train of thought you're bringing bots into this, but well, you already alleged that I make tits only for the "cute joke", so ...


No clothing vendor has their classified saying nothing but "Clothes." If I were to search for birds, I would certainly pass over classifieds that do not list what birds they have, as I would assume that their birds either are not realistic representations of RL bird species, or that birds aren't their main product.


Again: Currently more than half of my birds are tits, as tits make up the majority of songbirds where I live. And yes, I have had customers (yes, more than one) tell me that they were happy to find blue tits, and that they had searched for them specifically, and making people come to my store to find out which birds I sell as opposed to telling them right in my classified or in my parcel description is a disservice to the potential customer.d.)

None of the three actual songbird vendors adversize specific species rather than songbirds generally, and a total of 3 vendors is sufficiently small that it seems most passing strange that people looking for genus Petroica would be unable to find the poster's shop.

But of course I suppose such patrons would never think to simply search for 'songbirds' as the great masses of would be purchases of such beautifully rendered tomtits would not even think of them as songbirds, and that anyone wishing to purchase a tomtit, upon finding none at all in search would immediately conclude that there were sadly none to be purchased.

Interestingly enough, 'Albatross' does not get any hits either... and they are sea bird flavoured...

Sorry, but this is not true.

LL is saying that some people, those not verified, cannot see some content in SL. There IS censorship, not a simple zoning.

Censorship would imply a right. No one has a right to be in SL.

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This can be fixed if Linden Lab actually show the will to make it work, but so far they've shown those objections the finger and that simply is not about respsect.

Even still, why should anyone's business be impacted negatively by something which won't serve the purpose it was intended in the first place?

Depends what Princes Leia does with that golden bikini.

I don't see this impacting the Star Wars rp community at all.

Censorship would imply a right. No one has a right to be in SL.

Thank you for asking. I have actually stated my viewpoint a few times, but I have no problem repeating it and adding to it here.

I think that Linden Labs have a vision on where they want SL to go. They were visionaries who built the infrastructure for this world, visionary enough that everyone posting here and a whole lot more have come and terraformed and primmed up their little corner of the world. LL did it so well that the "residents" have felt a sense of ownership of their creations (not just IP stuff, but they feel it's "home" to them). In these cynical days that is quite an achievement.

But it's still LL's product, and they have the say on which direction it is going to go. Like any monarchy/dictatorship, we residents have the right to petition to ask for our points of view to be taken into consideration, but we have no RIGHT to have our views implemented.

LL have stated what their goal is - to build a separate continent for Adult-rated material. They asked us for advice on how best to go about doing it. It seems like 90% of the answers were "don't do it", and then those answering like this have been surprised that LL didn't listen to them. The question wasn't "should we do this?" it was "We're going to do this - how can we make this work best?". Discussions about "why" aren't something they are going to get into with us, either - they don't owe us any reasons, in my opinion.

Have LL handled this well? No, not at all, in my opinion. They should have framed these discussions much better, provided summaries of points made, and made sure that questions answered were documented in an easy-to-reach place. Not only that, but any clarifications provided in threads like this should be appended as examples to the official documents (which are going to be used to decide on policy down the road) - this ensures that the various members of the Linden team don't talk at cross-purposes and that the people in charge of policing it are going to be reading from the same page.

Also, I think they should have been a lot more transparent about the process they planned to use from the start - a Roadmap if you like - it has taken a LONG while to get this established, and it's still not finalized yet.

What will this move do to SL? I don't think anybody can know for sure (and I am skeptical of those that think they do). I am personally glad that they are not banning Adult content completely, which would be completely within their rights, and would fall in line with some other so-called "Virtual Worlds" (and I'm not going to get into a fight about that one Argent ) - instead they are actually talking about concentrating it into a set of areas, not with the purpose of dropping a nuke, but instead, apparently, to actually promote it. If I want my dose of Adult Content, the idea of being able to go to a place that I know is adult-oriented and just walk the streets, exposing myself (!) to some stuff that I may not have seen before is thrilling to me. Search is boring because of all the botting and other gaming of the system - I don't even like to shop that way - I like to go to a place and walk around a bit....

There is going to be a LOT of dust generated by this - and I think that's unavoidable - but I do think there is actually potential here to make SL better - not from the point of view of creating "Prude World" but instead concentrating all the "good stuff" in easy-to-access places - like a Red Light District in a city. I think that could be good for business owners and clients, if it is done well. I kind of like the idea of dressing up in my super-slutty outfits, perhaps with my partner, and taking a walk through the streets....

So I see short-term turmoil and upset people, but I also see a potential for things to be better after all the dust clears.

And the bottom line, for me, when it comes to my opinion (which doesn't matter much, in the grand scheme of things) - LL decides what direction SL is going in - that's their right as owners of this world. I have the right to decide whether I am going to "play" in it, and spend my hard-earned money here. I would like to see what LL can do with this, and help guide them into doing it as well as they can... then see what the world looks like afterwards and decide whether I am going to stay and play or not.

OK, just a couple of comments about the rest of your post:
They've been doing that since the first reply of the first thread...

Or they don't feel it's important enough to post about, or they feel intimidated by what they perceive as the dynamic on this forum. There could be many reasons. Just because people don't post doesn't mean you can infer anything they are thinking from that.

Wow, that was long.

Censorship would imply a right. No one has a right to be in SL.

Depends what Princes Leia does with that golden bikini.

I don't see this impacting the Star Wars rp community at all.

Censorship would imply a right.

As long as they keep taking my money I do.

I repeat this proposition again because there was no response either from LL or other residents:

Would you agree to all the changes to adult content except one - age verification/payment info on file. if someone want to access adult content, the window will pop up and then they will need to answer YES or NO.

In my opinion it is a good consensus in this situation. Watch carefully what LL answer will be. If they answer 'no' then it is obvious that descrtuction of adult content creators/business or at least significant reducton of this content is the main purpose of this new policy

Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.

You are publicly stating that we should 'play' with the keywords in order to be rated as mature. Now watch carefully of what you are writing here, because this way almost every adult content creator can remain on mature by simply using different keywords. this will lead into complete chaos. Some places will post content on mature region and of course some will be removed by you but since you publicly stating that you won't be able to monitor all content then this will spread into a very nasty thing. Censorship never works. All sl residents, new and old have the same right to access adult content exactly like it happens over the web. Watch playboy magazine website, all you need to do there is to click "Yes, I am over 18 and I agree to see adult content" There is no verification required. You actions are obvious. The significant reduction of adult content in SL is your goal. You do not want to protect anybody. You just want to send the clear message: do not involve in adult business in SL because it is not worth it.

Oh, if I was on the Board of Directors, I would be very pissed off.

Whomever allowed PG land and Mature land to be intermingled all over the place ... gone!
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Because it also provides better clarity to both those looking for tit (songbirds) and tit (body parts). In other words, it does not neccessarily adversely affect this particular business. Note I have not questioned all examples.

The problem is that there is a huge underbelly of unthinking that is driving this thing.
For this sort of mentality, doing "something" actually counts enormously. The effectiveness or the appropriateness of the "something" is neither here nor there.

With due respect, you do not advertize your robin or nightingale separately either, even though they are arguably at least as famous as the tit if not more, nor do you specificly advertize the wren. Even though the tit may be a significant portion of your inventory, why it and not the others?

It is not like you really need to make that extra level of distinction over your competition.