Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-27-2009 17:10
From: Darien Caldwell Well I actually think if you surveyed 100 adults, 90% or greater would say having public sex is not something they want to do. But yes, this represents something that obviously opinions vary on.
How many would say they would want to be suspended if someone flew by their house and ARed them for public sex because the roof hadn't rezzed yet... when they were just sitting on a cuddle couch? This is the kind of screwed up decision the G-Team is notorious for.
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Coventina Dalgleish
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Thoughts on the state of the game
04-27-2009 17:12
Again we have a window into how a corporation setup by technical people responds when global considerations are not anticipated.
Many have walked this path before some with success, most with failure. The inability to anticipate normal operating conditions is very evident in the process in observation now. This is a repeat of previous failures in the corporate guidance. Gambling, not legal in the United States on line was rampant here. In order to inflate their subscription balloon avatar registration was thrown wide open to any child who desired to create a persona of adult stature. Now what we see is another attempt to solve a situation that was not well thought out nor well planned.
Most of the problems could have been solved with a more robust three dimensional grid where the adult grid could have lived on a separate plane but for now it seems that they will just make ghetto’s of isolation. I suppose that a company that cannot solve the simplest problem, the continued problem of default hand positions breaking priority 4 animations, has little chance of a concise and well thought operational solution. Thus the continued solution will be a patch work attempts will continue until the load destroys the original concept.
When I came here over four years ago it was with the understanding that this was an adult game. As it is becoming it is a reflection of what is called here first life. I have one of those now and do not need it to be reflected here. Through the lack of a little prescience by the creators it is now in the accretion disk. Only time will tell if this is good or bad.
Perhaps it is time for the management to actually sit down and decide a path for this endeavor. Past performance is no guarantee of future success and the continued “work in progress” has become long in the tooth.
There have been plenty of mid-course corrections in the past, gambling, and open subscriptions, the open space sim fiasco, all of which have alienated some or all of the customers.
In closing, it would be nice to have a map of where the owners think this platform is destined. This would allow the CUSTOMERS to make a decision on their participation.
Oh and just one more comment I see there is a place to select many levels of definition for an area, shopping,adult, arts and culture but no multiple selection such as adult shopping. It might be nice to allow sub set selections in the adult area.
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Gummo Zaks
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04-27-2009 17:12
So what is it? Blondie takes two 15 min breaks to look over the forum and doesn't awnser any real questions or specifics?
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Erinyse Planer
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04-27-2009 17:17
From: Argent Stonecutter How many would say they would want to be suspended if someone flew by their house and ARed them for public sex because the roof hadn't rezzed yet... when they were just sitting on a cuddle couch?
This is the kind of screwed up decision the G-Team is notorious for. I love you argent. ok well as a friend but anyways... you are exactly right about G-team! Heck, G-team suspended me and made me reverifiy my id because I messaged them saying I needed a backtrace done on my own account. and then they still have one of my friends locked out because despite the fact I could verify that yes she had a legitimate reason for logging in from my ip address (she was visiting) they cannot handle that she wasnt the one that imitated my ip address. meantime the culprit who ADMITTED to it as part of her stalking against me is still allowed in SL and a g-team member had the audacity to threaten me with banning when i told him where to shove it after he told me he didn't see an issue with the way g-team botched that case. Personally there's only two gteam members i think should be allowed to keep their jobs and the rest should be sacked for their incompetence and stupidity. I can see them doing something like what you envision.
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Bez Violet
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Well...
04-27-2009 17:23
I just had a thought. They're making some of the adult Sims move... everyone make note of that when this happens. I picture a lot of people popping into the newly cleared areas thinking they're adult places and surprising a whole lot of kids with um... adult attachments.
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Coventina Dalgleish
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Perhaps another solution, but it would cost LL money
04-27-2009 17:24
You have a teen grid You have a PG/Mature grid
Perhaps you need an adult grid then you can ascertain where you customer base truly exists
Just a thought...
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Ciaran Laval
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04-27-2009 17:49
As you appear to now be filtering out profiles on your web based search, don't you think you should actually inform your users? This may actually result in people avoiding certain terms in their profiles.
Oh and any chance of a heads up before you do this to places please.
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-27-2009 17:59
From: Coventina Dalgleish You have a teen grid You have a PG/Mature grid
Perhaps you need an adult grid then you can ascertain where you customer base truly exists
Just a thought... we know the teengrid merge is coming and thats a fact, documented all over the web from various interviews with jack linden. i suppose the best we can hope for is a 2 part SL, with a wall down the middle, or perhaps LL will just boot all adult behaviour off SL ,ID all accounts, stop all individual item creation and sell items only liscensed items through xstreet. we can't have adults mixing with 13 y.o etc. i honestly see that as the future of SL so i'm going to have an eye on several emerging SL alikes from now on. as you can probably tell i dont trust LL further than i can spit. ps. i noticed this week openlife has just got an economy, and thats going to drive business there, i think OL is gearing up ready for a small exodus, and who can blame them.. at 45000 prims to a sim i cant wait.
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Ayla Holt
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Yet another question....
04-27-2009 18:03
How is the search filtering going to work for avatar names? There are people (avatars) named sex, shemale etc.... And do they have to be banned to ursula forever ? Just another random though. 
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Cal Kondo
Low impact
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04-27-2009 18:05
From: Blondin Linden Depends what Princes Leia does with that golden bikini. I don't see this impacting the Star Wars rp community at all. Regarding depictions of death in RP. I'm sure it's not the intention to make Star Wars role play an adult activity. It would be really helpful if you could briefly describe how you made the interpretation with reference to the draft definitions. This process is more about learning to make interpretations rather than trying to make a ruling on a gazillion scenarios.
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Sindy Tsure
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04-27-2009 18:07
From: Darien Caldwell I think credit card companies are simply covering their legal arse, as is typical. LL has the right certainly to make that judement call as to whether or not they want to accept that as proof. They just can't sue the CC company if that proves false.  /me quotes visa.com From: someone Merchants should be aware that possession of a Visa card or submission of Visa account information does not signify that the cardholder is of legal age to purchase age-restricted products. LL calls having payment info on file 'verified' even though credit card companies come right out and say they're not good for that. And anybody in the US that's been in a convenient store in the last 5 years has seen the prepaid cards that anybody can get. Legal age for those is 13.. With all that in mind, can you really say that the current age verification plan is going to do any good at all? From: Darien Caldwell Can you give me a link, i'm not sure what you mean.  The issue is what happened to land prices in Bay City and Nautilus. If you haven't seen them, go and see for yourself - if I say how much land costs in these areas, you'll think I'm just making numbers up.. A number of people were worried that land speculators would do the exact same thing on the new adult content and drive the prices through the roof. When LL finally answered, the answer was something very close to simply "land speculation is not prohibited." There's also the issue of population density.. I look at the 25 or so regions surrounding my place and see 3 clusters of green dots. One is my place - very adult, the sex club skybox in the region next door, and a sexbed store that has "come try them today!" in the parcel description. At least 2 of these 3 places will be forced to move. The bed store might or might not, depending on if they want to change their land description. In general, adult places are high-traffic places. Long story short, LL is forcing them all into a relatively tiny area and creating the Lag Continent. A number of people were worried that this would make life on ursula unbearable and asked, many times, about the performance issues. When LL finally answered, it was something very close to simply "all adult continent regions will be on class 5 hosts." So.. Yeah.. LL is shutting down growth of the adult industry. This plan of thiers is going to cause lots of pain then stiffle one of the biggest industries in SL until it either dies a slow, wheezy death or until LL gets bored enforcing the rules and it all ends up back on the mainland anyway.. Got no problem with the goals of the plan. My problem lies in that they're not meeting any of the goals..
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 18:23
From: Blondin Linden That is correct. Ursula will not be the name of the Adult Content mainland. Naming contest!  [Ok, yes, it would be a distraction from the discussion, but ppl could have fun with the entries.]
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Hypatia Meili
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04-27-2009 18:30
From: Ayla Holt How is the search filtering going to work for avatar names? There are people (avatars) named sex, shemale etc.... And do they have to be banned to ursula forever ? Just another random though.  What if they are not verified tho? Then they can't get there on the first place! 
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-27-2009 18:31
From: Kara Spengler Naming contest!  Ukiyo-e, "Images of the floating world".
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-27-2009 18:31
From: Talarus Luan I type in a search for "blue tit", and get "REQUEST DENIED, BAD WORD DETECTED!". I then type in "blue tit songbird", and get "REQUEST DENIED, BAD WORD DETECTED!". Eventually, I get through the stupid filter and type "songbird" or "songbirds", and get a list of 4 (or 10, or 1000, it doesn't make that much of a difference to the following point). I STILL am looking for a blue tit. But, nothing in search can show up with the "bad word" "tit" in it, even with the product search. Do I now have to teleport to X number of places to find it? What's the point of SEARCH again? As a result, it DOES "neccessarily"  sic) adversely affect this particular business. But anyone with half a brain is going to realize that the word 'tit' is likely the culprit, and if they used the term 'songbirds' they would get precisely 3 hits, one of which sells the birds in question. Is it really believable that they would go 'omg, 3 entries? I cannot possibly check them all!' and just give up? Or that even if they found a blue tit entry that they would ignore other songbird entries, simply because they were less specific? Having to teleport to 3, count them, three places is not unreasonable. Maybe you are the type just walks into a shop and buys based on the assumption that shop's products are as good as all the others, but many do shop around.
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 18:40
From: Colette Meiji ohhhhh nice! I love it.
Really evil and insidious.
I find evil sexy. Want to Linden later? You mean the Lindens are not Lindening everyone? 
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Brenda Connolly
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04-27-2009 18:41
From: Alexander Harbrough But anyone with half a brain is going to realize that the word 'tit' is likely the culprit, and if they used the term 'songbirds' they would get precisely 3 hits, one of which sells the birds in question. Is it really believable that they would go 'omg, 3 entries? I cannot possibly check them all!' and just give up?
Or that even if they found a blue tit entry that they would ignore other songbird entries, simply because they were less specific?
Having to teleport to 3, count them, three places is not unreasonable. Maybe you are the type just walks into a shop and buys based on the assumption that shop's products are as good as all the others, but many do shop around. FFS, get off the tits already!
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 18:44
From: Ayla Holt How is the search filtering going to work for avatar names? There are people (avatars) named sex, shemale etc.... One of them I know about .... it was taken for someone's alt so it would not be available (combined w/ whatever last name it was a slur).
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Colette Meiji
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04-27-2009 19:08
From: Kara Spengler You mean the Lindens are not Lindening everyone?  Over and over, and with no Linden.
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 19:28
From: Colette Meiji Over and over, and with no Linden. Linden.
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Talarus Luan
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04-27-2009 19:31
From: Alexander Harbrough But anyone with half a brain is going to realize that the word 'tit' is likely the culprit, and if they used the term 'songbirds' they would get precisely 3 hits, one of which sells the birds in question. Is it really believable that they would go 'omg, 3 entries? I cannot possibly check them all!' and just give up? How many NON-NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS automatically are aware that "tit" is going to be "the culprit"? Why would ADULTS on an ADULT grid have to expect that the name of a BIRD is being filtered in a search? It's not a matter of giving up; it's a matter of UNNECESSARY INCONVENIENCE. It's a matter of UNNECESSARY DAMAGE TO BUSINESS. It doesn't MATTER if it is 1, 10, 1000, 10000, 100000, or a googolplex, it is the PRINCIPLE of the issue that MATTERS. From: someone Having to teleport to 3, count them, three places is not unreasonable. Maybe you are the type just walks into a shop and buys based on the assumption that shop's products are as good as all the others, but many do shop around. Having to do so when there is no reason for it to be that way IS the very epitome of unreasonable. I also DO buy things when I find them; if I CAN find them in more than one place, then yeah, I might compare prices, but if I CAN'T find them, I am likely to buy them at the first place I find them. I don't have TIME to shop around hundreds to thousands of stores looking for things (this problem is not simply endemic to tits, either, but don't let that stop you from continuing to make the same inane argument). At any rate, your argument is getting tired and pedantic, and continues to miss the point, so this will be my last comment on it.
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Kara Spengler
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Entry for the adult continent name!
04-27-2009 19:32
Linden land
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Colette Meiji
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04-27-2009 19:50
From: Kara Spengler Linden land NotUrsula, the most Lindenest place on Earth!
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Studly Lockjaw
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Mature sim with child play ground?
04-27-2009 19:53
so would the rules apply in the opposite. (i.e. playground in a mature/adult area)?
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Milla Janick
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04-27-2009 19:53
"Tit" isn't filtered, "Tits" is.
Filtering either one from a mature search is just Lindened up.
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