Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

What if everyone changes their land description to just a list of bad keywords? I wanna move mommy!!!



That is a mind boggling "up yours" quote. It basically says, our customers have put so much time, effort and money into SL that they won't leave no matter how badly we treat them.

Define "bully", please. Because if by "bully" you mean "disagree with", or "Ask for proof of certain statements".

I don't think that word mans what you think it means.


If by "bully" you mean "hold accountable for snide, crass, and hostile comments".

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


If by "bully" you mean "get disappointed that everyone doesn't either flock to your banner, or shut up."

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword, you know. Everyone has the perfect right to express their opinions. However, Everyone also has the perfect right to express *their* opinion about *your* opinion.

You can't yell "Freedom of speech!" and get a "Get away without hearing anything that disagrees with me, free" card.

people have every right to say why the agree with this policy- but if they do, they then have to deal with the fact that someone might not agree with them. and might have extremely *good* reasons for doing so.

That *still* shouldn't stop people from expressing their opinion- however, nowadays, people think that they have a *right* never to be offended, or be exposed to something they don't like or don't want to know.

Here in the US, the right to free speech has somehow morphed into "the right to wear blinders" and "the right to have everyone respect your views and never question them"

There *ain't no such right*. not in the public sector *or* the private.

In practice, any freedom has responsibilities and consequences that one must be willing to accept if one wants to use them.

I'll admit I was a bit harsh with the Dictatorshop people, but it was because of their *tone*, not their *opinion*. and that's what you will find here 90+% of the time.

At least that's *my* opinion from having read every one of these damn posts, both here and in a previous thread on definitions.


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Except she *wasn't* "good to go"- People are complaining that *despite* showing up as verified, and the maturity setting set to adult, they *still* can't TP to places that are set to look for AVS.

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Hehe, a little irony is good for the blood, they say...


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If the filter *worked*, Bez, I think everyone would be behind it. I know *I* would. However, what blondin has been telling us has *sounded* like "most people with a lot of sex and violence on their land could get by on Mature land by changing a few words in their ads and parcel descriptions."

That naturally leads to the question "which ones should we change?"
and the LL answer "We can't tell you- that would make it too easy to "game" the system".

So, we're figuring it out on our own.

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I'd be willing to guess that what *they* were talking about was getting rid of unverified freebie accounts- something LL won't do because it lets them present *really* inflated membership numbers to potential advertisers.

I'm reasonably certain that *no* adult content vendor *on the mainland* said

"Hey, could you maybe or maybe not uproot my business and force move me to a new continent, giving me only 9 days to move before you take back my mature parcel, and then make me play "guess the search terms", and let people use credit cards as age proof, and then change the content rules in such a way as to confuse the hell out of everything, while at the same time, leaving in place everything that residents are complaining about?"


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Well, *I* agree with that statement!

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Hehe, yeh, I have a nude sky sandbox kind of, I live in the best spot on main and one neighbor is kind of a bit straight, but also a nice guy, I am trying to find a medium line. The sandbox is the scarlet A prim 300mtrs up . Ground level is trees and a small hut.

People are landing nude and I whilst I want that, (I hate clothes r/l) I also don't want to trash the experience for others.

I am trying to retain my right to nudity and also be repsectful. I think I will get left in mature as I have no business of any worth to ok me for an exchange to Ursula...

Plausible deniability, yes.

But if the changes are aimed at increasing "predictability", then LL missed. BY a country *mile*

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My other concern is kids having access to adult skins etc... For people who are refused the move to Ursula will need protection from kids sneaking into their adult lifestyles.

Better yet would to simply designate Ursula as a "G" rated protected area that you couldn't visit without being verified, and require verification on all *new* accounts from now on. Allow anyone who wants to move there a free swap, and then enforce the content rules there like Torquemada with a hangover.

*fix* search, so that it actually *works* and scans for parcel descriptors more than once a decade,

Put some sort of affirmative opt-in thingie on *all* mature parcels

Leave everything else the hell *alone*-

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If her post was as snide as some we've seen here- probably. You'll notice though that Nobody talk about boycotting LS, and he was in favor of the changes until the details came along. He likes the *idea*, it's the execution that bothers him, right LS?

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nope, but only verified accounts will be able to see it, and it will be considered "adult content" so will "slave silks" and probably a buch of other words as well.

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I cared because I rented one of the damned things, used it as directed, and then got hit with an untenable price increase because LL didn't do their homework.


Kinda like *now*

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Aw *man*!


"I wanna stick your Linden in my Linden. LInden service- discreet, professional, limits- no Linden, Linden, Linden, Linden or Linden-play".


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Dear Blondin,

Jamie's point is excellent.

Many subcultures and sexual orientations are sex-related for, oh, only 15 minutes out of 24 hours in the day
The Lindens are acknowledging that they know this, because we see they are not blocking the following words (subcultures) from Unverified Search:
gay, furry, star wars...

Yet the Lindens have decided that other words (subcultures) are so "sexy" (Adult) that they must be totally blocked from Unverifieds being able to use Search to find them:
BDSM, Gorean, Ladyboy, Shemale...

So the gay community and furry community can be located in Second Life, but the BDSMers and Goreans are so "sexy" (or offensive?) that the Lindens feel that Unverifieds should not be able to locate their fellows?

I hope, Blondin, that you can explain to us why some of these large subcultures are being hidden, while others are being given respect as legitimate lifestyles.



Jamie, I think you stated this very well.

ummm... as a bird person I can tell you that anybody who wants a particular bird will search for THAT BIRD. I'm not a songbird person myself, I'm the parrot type, but if I were looking in world I wouldn't be looking for 'parrot' I would look for cockatoo, or eclectus, or hyacinth macaw. There are plenty of people who might want a 'songbird' and they'll find our bird man, but then there are people who want a particular bird and they'll use the proper name. So if the bird they want is a tit, then they'll search for tit.



Songbird only leads to him if the buyer is willing to take just any songbird. In the meanwhile it is a disservice to him and his customers of a purely PG product that he cannot effectively advertise and properly represent a portion of his product.

Any dog lover would scream if they were told to advertise as having dogs, but were told as well that they could advertise shepherds but not retrievers. And effectively that is what is happening here.

Not only that, but this is just one instance of a pg creator being hit by this, there will be more because several of the now bad words have purely PG meanings as well. This is what we've been trying to get across and why people keep calling you a troll. You've latched onto this one creator and not looked at the bigger picture of how words can have multiple meanings and many many words on the filtered list will have this exact same issue.

/rant

As an artist and gallery owner, I find that answer unsatisfying. There are plenty of artists famous and otherwise who have done works that would appear to fall within the adult content restrictions as currently stated. There shouldn't be a line or edge cases with subjective case by case evaluations for art.

Art displayed as art should be exempt from adult content classification and censorship. Can we get that clearly stated? Or does every gallery that might someday display an edgy or controversial work according to the new SL standards of adult vs mature need to relocate to the adult flagged lands?

And considering the "compensation" fixations of most SL users- "Hit the street" is an apt phrase


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They gave scat to the no-no list.

In google I found: several companies with the name Scat. Plus: A card-game. A way to sing songs. A way to create school tests and much more.

Scat has around 20 meanings...says Wikipedia, including a sexual variant.

In german, from wich I know the word as: Skat and in english as Scat it is a famous card game - especially very, very popular in Germany. Another meaning of that word I didn't know before.

And since google showed me now that there are some companies around the world, with the Company name Scat, I wonder what LL would do, if one of these companies would like to represent itself in SL?

For example:

http://www.scatenterprises.com/

or a book:

http://www.amazon.com/Scat-Carl-Hiaasen/dp/0375834869

or this:

http://www.scat-europe.com/en/produkte.html

Beautifully worded.

Not quite sure where you get this- Lifting mom's driver's license number to access the grownup stuff leads to B&E and Bank robbery? Mugging? Extortion and Racketeering?

you're comparing grapes to watermelons

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Why would that be unbelievable to you? I supposed you'd suspect him of "trying to get around the rules if he sold "Blue-footed boobies" (sex) and Puffins (drugs)


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I don't know- maybe because they would have to risk more than a spanking to do so? maybe because they *know* mom and not strangers?

A whole *raft* of reasons

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