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Argent Stonecutter
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04-28-2009 06:09
So people will advertise gorean clothes as "native, silks, ..." and the people who want to keep Gorean gear from showing up on searched for indian handcrafts will have more problems than they do now.
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Storyof Oh
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04-28-2009 06:12
A certain German has a mirror SL site...really not sure how or how they are getting away with it even...
VERY FEW 'A's' on the map so far....or are these only the English speaking parcels? |
Milla Janick
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04-28-2009 06:12
So people will advertise gorean clothes as "native, silks, ..." and the people who want to keep Gorean gear from showing up on searched for indian handcrafts will have more problems than they do now. That is the saddest story I have ever heard. _____________________
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-28-2009 06:19
Found them in our sim by the St Andrews cross when you left after that wild party ![]() I saw them. But didn't know that these are the famous knickers. I thought someone lost there a pair of square-rigged sails... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/DSC_7439-MR-VoileLatine.jpg Ah, too bad. I am such a fan of good old fashioned ribbed white cotton knickers. *giggles* |
Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 06:37
That is the saddest story I have ever heard. *snickers* Yes. Tragic. _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 06:40
I'm confused by this word-filtering business. Does this mean that, if I want to use certain words in an advert, the place or event I'm publicizing has to be on an Adult sim, or that I can use these terms wherever the place I'm advertising is located but no one will see my adverts who is not age-verified? If you plan on using Adult words in your ads / search, 1) the place / event will need to be on an adult region and 2) only verified accounts will be able to search and find those key words. From my reading of the rules, there could be no objection to a shop on a Mature sim selling, for example, a slave cushion containing a variety of Gor and non-Gor submission poses, but how should the cushion be advertised? The cushion should be advertised using non adult words And where does this leave Gor, for heavens sake? Are the Goreans supposed to make all their sims Adult only? In practice, I guess they will have to. Gor would be considered adult. |
Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 06:42
Found them in our sim by the St Andrews cross when you left after that wild party ![]() Leave them there. I'm going to head over in a minute to get them. _____________________
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-28-2009 06:42
ummm... as a bird person I can tell you that anybody who wants a particular bird will search for THAT BIRD. I'm not a songbird person myself, I'm the parrot type, but if I were looking in world I wouldn't be looking for 'parrot' I would look for cockatoo, or eclectus, or hyacinth macaw. There are plenty of people who might want a 'songbird' and they'll find our bird man, but then there are people who want a particular bird and they'll use the proper name. So if the bird they want is a tit, then they'll search for tit. I stand corrected. Personally I do not give up looking so quickly simply on the basis that I do not find what I am looking for on the first keyword I try. Those looking under songbirds will find the shop in question and find the tit, or nightingale, or robin, or other bird that they are looking for. In RL, most stores do not list their products in that kind of detail either, and you actually have to drive to the stores or call them to see what they have. And yet somehow they stay in business and do not whine that they cannot afford to advertise their entire product lines. Songbird only leads to him if the buyer is willing to take just any songbird. In the meanwhile it is a disservice to him and his customers of a purely PG product that he cannot effectively advertise and properly represent a portion of his product. How does that follow? You are not restricted in selling only literally what your ads say. A titbird is still a songbird, and it is not unreasonable to consider that a store selling songbirds might sell such a bird. Now if you really were looking for an albatross you would not look for a shop selling songbirds, but you might look for a shop selling sea birds. If I want to buy a loaf of pumpernickel, I would not normally look for a pumpernickel store. I would look for a bakery or supermarket or grocery. Any dog lover would scream if they were told to advertise as having dogs, but were told as well that they could advertise shepherds but not retrievers. And effectively that is what is happening here. They might, unless that restriction applied to all kennels and was due to a folly in the English language that associated retrievers with something adult, in which case they might either come up with a new name for retrievers or just put the whole thing down to the follies of man. Occassionally, people lament the change in the common use of the word 'gay' but people are reluctant to use the word to mean 'happy' due to the connection with its newer common definition of 'homosexual.' You an lament the changes to the language all you want, nevertheless language has changed. Not only that, but this is just one instance of a pg creator being hit by this, there will be more because several of the now bad words have purely PG meanings as well. This is what we've been trying to get across and why people keep calling you a troll. You've latched onto this one creator and not looked at the bigger picture of how words can have multiple meanings and many many words on the filtered list will have this exact same issue. /rant What I have been trying to do is to point out that much of the criticism regarding this move is unfocused anger and rightious indignation rather than actual strong arguements and detracts from much stronger arguements such as the lack of support for those moving, problems with the verification system itself (even for those in regions where verification should not be an issue), questions on who should have to move and who should be allowed to move, etc. Even in some of those questions, people are deliberately trying to play with words to try to trap the Lindens rather than come up with any real arguements. I am for this move in principle, but against its current implementation. I do realize there are arguements for being against the move entirely. |
Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 06:42
Well, if this page ( http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Search_keywords ) is accurate other activities which might land you in the adult continent include: selling or consuming a British meatball in gravy (also know as faggots). selling or promoting a slightly dated family car (Ford Escort) selling or keeping male hens (cocks) a fan site for an informant from the x-files (deepthroat) selling or promoting decorating products (such as paint stripper) fan site for birdwatchers (interest in blue tits etc.) etc. Matthew I've seen this list and it is not accurate. |
Alexander Harbrough
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04-28-2009 06:48
FFS, get off the tits already! As soon as people stop making spurious arguements regarding them such as 'non-english speakers looking for that variety of bird without knowing the word 'songbirds'. |
Ceera Murakami
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04-28-2009 06:48
I've seen this list and it is not accurate. _____________________
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Ayla Holt
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04-28-2009 06:49
Gor would be considered adult. So does that mean that Gor Masters with leashed slaves are not allowed in Mature areas of the mainland? ......... Or........ is just the word "Gor" considered adult? This really does not effect me but I am sure that someone needs to know the answer to this . |
Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 06:49
My guess: the wedding reception private orgy would need to be out of sight of casual view. For example, in a skybox or behind opaque walls*, in a parcel where the landing point won't dump you un-knowingly into the middle of the sticky stuff. * I know you can cam through walls, but Blondin has indicated that "inside buildings" is enough privacy to count as privacy in this context. Blondin: is my guess correct? Yes |
Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 06:50
This is getting ridiculous. Perhaps we all should use baby talk. THOSE are non adult words.
Have you people lost your minds? You're going to need a fucking degree in etymology to use SL ! Maybe you can use a cute little character, like that annoying Microsoft paper clip that can show up everytime you use a "forbidden word". ![]() "Hey there friend. You've mistakenly entered a word that isn't allowed in our search engine. Please consult the Whitebread Wiki for a list of acceptable terms." _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 06:58
In a discussion with a friend this weekend, that has a pretty thriving adult business, I was amazed to hear her say that she supports these measures, but wishes they would have limited it to age verified only and not PIOF. She also indicated that several vendors she knows, along with her, have been heavily lobbying the Lindens for quite some time about offering more protection from children accessing their merchandise and clubs. I guess they weren't blowing smoke when they said that some adult vendors were asking for this. I just thought this deserved a re-post ![]() |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-28-2009 06:58
I've seen this list and it is not accurate. ![]() _____________________
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Tabliopa Underwood
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Ursula My New Home =p =)
04-28-2009 06:58
Just been to the Safe Hub in Ursula. Is quite nice build. Found this sign:
No Shooting, Blood, or Violence No Buying, Selling, Begging, or Recruiting No Sex, Nudity, or Offensive Language No Annoying, Repetitive, or Adult Sounds Looks like it going to be the the most PG sim in SL even if is rated M =) Found I could set my Home there as well and TP back and forth. So I did. I claim the last picnic table (waiting module) on the west side as mine. So keep off or else =p =) |
Alexander Harbrough
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04-28-2009 07:02
Question... is the word 'adult' itself censored? and if not, would it be ok to say 'with adult poseballs' in an ad?
There is the legitimate point that vendors selling adult related merchandise do still need to advertize it somehow, and that would be a way they could do so without it being considered vulgar. By the way, if you try the current list in the San Franciso yellow pages the words are not filtered. The actual ads likely are (based on what comes up), but the keywords are not. For instance the 'f-word' results in hits for adult-oriented shops. That way the user types what they want (since that cannot be controlled), but they see results worded in PG terms. The keywords and associations remain hidden. Possible solution? Edit: It would also solve the 'blue tit' vendor's dilemma, since someone could type in 'blue tit' or 'tit bird' and come up with his more generic description (which advertizes songbirds) and quite rightly conclude he must sell that variety (which he does). It would also mean less clutter in most ads, since some people's keyword lists represent a fair bit of clutter that is annoying to read through. |
Milla Janick
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04-28-2009 07:04
Just been to the Safe Hub in Ursula. Is quite nice build. Found this sign: No Shooting, Blood, or Violence No Buying, Selling, Begging, or Recruiting No Sex, Nudity, or Offensive Language No Annoying, Repetitive, or Adult Sounds Looks like it going to be the the most PG sim in SL even if is rated M =) The Safe Hub is actually an Adult region, it just shows as Mature in the current viewer. _____________________
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Kalderi Tomsen
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04-28-2009 07:08
Define "bully", please. Because if by "bully" you mean "disagree with", or "Ask for proof of certain statements". The post in question didn't sound arrogant in the least to me - it was, maybe in the eye of the beholder? The pile-on attitude towards it (oooh, let's find the other people she mentioned so we can boycott them too!) starts sounding like the start of a pogrom and I wanted to try to head that one off at the pass. I don't think that word mans what you think it means. –noun 1. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people. –verb (used with object) 6. to act the bully toward; intimidate; domineer. If you want a conversation about all sides of the issue, then respect other people's opinions. If you don't, then don't start complaining about how you're only hearing one side of it. You can't have it both ways. And, if you are taking an aggressive attitude to those that disagree with you, then you can not claim that you have the force of the majority behind you simply because those that disagree with you haven't posted. Now, since then, happily, others have been posting and NOT been ridiculed. I hope that trend continues. Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword, you know. Everyone has the perfect right to express their opinions. It's easy to ridicule and pick apart, to be honest, it would be easy to ridicule and pick apart a lot of the uninformed "anti" posts that are in these threads. But it is counter-productive and does nothing to resolve issues or further the discussion. You can't yell "Freedom of speech!" people have every right to say why the agree with this policy- but if they do, they then have to deal with the fact that someone might not agree with them. and might have extremely *good* reasons for doing so. So once again, this is not about "Freedom of Speech" it is about creating a mutually-respectful dialogue of all sides of the issue without resorting to recriminations on others for holding a view different from yours, which, to me, seemed to be the case in the posts to which I was referring. _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 07:12
Well ... my store is PG. It's on PG mainland by choice, because I wanted to avoid a repeat of the situation at my previous (mature) location where I suddenly found myself in the middle of hardcore sex clubs. Now, I make and sell European songbirds. Tits, mostly. Great tits, blue tits, marsh tits, willow tits, varied tits, more tits to come. Assuming you want to consider everything mentioning "tits" anywhere to be adult, what would you have me do? -- Move my completely PG store to Ursula? -- Change my parcel description / classified texts / etc. to not mention any tits, even though they are one of the main parts of my business? If I choose to be on PG land, and I choose to mark my classifieds as PG (i.e. not mark them mature or adult), then it's because my store is PG and so is the text of my classifieds. You're not really going to tell me that I cannot mention that I make and sell tits outside of Ursula or to non-age-verified residents anymore, are you? No doubt that the content wold be PG, but the word TITS would be flagged and your ad would only found by verified accounts. |
Milla Janick
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04-28-2009 07:15
Then why do these words all get rejected in the early-release 1.23 client, Blondin? There's always the possibility of human error when entering keywords. Anyone can proofread the list though. The Wiki list may not be an accurate representation of the Linden Lab list due to some programming error in the pre-release viewer. In that case, I hope it helps stamp out some bugs. It is almost certainly incomplete. _____________________
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Ann Otoole
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04-28-2009 07:17
No doubt that the content wold be PG, but the word TITS would be flagged and your ad would only found by verified accounts. And what would happen when the ARs start piling in from the competition? Is the word blood to be banned? Bite? Are graphical depictions of blood spatters to be banned? Will bloodlines, a half million USD a year business be banned? Is the entire concept of vampyres to be banned? What about horror in general? Will zombies be banned? Will weapons be banned? Search words banned. What about words on pictures on parcels? If someone has an ad for something and the ad has the acronym BDSM on it will it be an abuse reportable offense? |
Talarus Luan
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04-28-2009 07:17
And people accuse me of trolling... how many non-english speakers are going to be looking specificly for a bird known as a 'tit' regardless of which variety? I didn't say "non-english speakers". Learn to read. |
Kara Spengler
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04-28-2009 07:19
Right: I think one of the server approaches would be needed. AFAIK, the (1.23) viewer just turns on server-side filtering. which should be straightforward then ... just a perl script to vary the args to curl (or to a text-based viewer) ... anyone have the time to write it? _____________________
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