Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Only if you don't consider loss of customers "damage".

"Bloodlines" isn't filtered.

by whose definition? yorus blondin? you realize youre opening yourself up to discrimination lawsuits up the ass? try and pretend you have braincells to rub together.

Why is it not accurate? It is posted on a Linden site? Is LindenLab putting out false information? Where is the correct information on any of this to be found. all I can see is one place one thing is said and somewhere else or some one else says another. Never is it the same!

Back a few postings it was stated that Gor was most definitely adult. So how about furry? How about religion? I would hope that LindenLab does not allow religion to be seen as non adult. I mean there is a guy nailed up on a cross for the Christians. Very violent and in a sick kind of way for some very sexual.

LindenLab has caused a panic. Not given out accurate information and some cases given out false information. So at the end of the day who do we trust? Who does have the correct information? Where is it to be found?

This is a shambles and I am dieing to hear how PayPal and the CreditCards take this use of their service as AgeVerification when both groups explicitly state that they can not be used as such.

Where is the truth???
Who has the truth??

ooo! Say this some more please. Yes is good. People like it when you say Yes when they ask questions =)

The list in the SL Wiki is compiled by residents, not Linden Lab.

Linden Lab has not made their official list of filtered words public.

Script limits? Will someone please expand on this?

Blondin- If we use another term for a naughty word (or slang for one) in SL (say, frobnoz) will it be banned as well? Or will LL just let us use it?

AN APPEAL TO CLASSIFY NON-SEXUAL PONYPLAY AS MATURE AND TO ALLOW FRILLY FILLY FARM TO REMAIN ON A MATURE MAINLAND SIM

We are all interested in human health and well-being

[My Apologies to Harvey Jackins and the Reevaluation Counseling community who tried to help me in real life on whose theories much of my understanding of emotional hurt and healing are based]

Sometimes when we are young we get hurt or abused, or feel we have been abused, by the uneven power relationship of adults and children

In many cases we are ashamed, hide the hurt, and go on with the process of growing

Covering up, ignoring the pain and moving on is never true healing, and we can pass on this hurt to our children because we carry it inside

People who have been hurt try to heal

As a librarian I know that sometimes abused people use books to explore our feelings

In my past, I explored my deepest feelings by reading literature like Victorian erotica, The Story of O, Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy, Hot Head Paisan, The Adventures of Sweet Gwendoline, etc.

Sometimes we seek out uneven power relationships hoping to understand and heal the childish hurt we carry inside.

Children use doll play to explore interpersonal relationships: Socialization, interpersonal relationships, and areas where they have been hurt

Even social workers use dolls with abused children to get children to discuss and explore what cannot be said

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Second Life with its avatars and virtual space can be a very sophisticated doll house where we are somewhat free to explore the areas where we have been hurt or confused

No one knows who we are or where we live and we can log out or teleport away from a scene if it gets out of hand

And in a world of user created content we can see or create almost anything our inner soul can imagine

When I came to Second Life I came as an educator, but quickly realized that the best way to learn about this space was to immerse myself in it as a resident rather than as an observer or with a goal-directed purpose

I quickly found places where other people had taken the themes of erotica and transformed them into role play

Then I found submissive people who were seeking to explore power relationships in relative safety

Some were finding caring relationships that worked well

Others, instead of healing, were being abused again

I started asking those in the community what resources were here for people who were emotionally hurt by role play in Second Life

There were a few, mostly peer groups, who offered shelter and care, but they were hard to find

There is no government social services in Second Life

Our tier goes to support the grid and its servers, both electronic and biological

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The imagery of ponyplay drew me again and again to the ponygirl stables of Second Life

We have all played "horsey" as a child

The restrained roles of the trainer and the pony, with its emphasis on encouragement and nurturing care rather than sex, was a wonderful metaphor of the supportive parent-child relationship

The restraints appear on the pony as harness and bridle but are really internalized by the trainer who stays in role of the caring protector, never the abuser

Here was finally a place where I could be supportive to the submissive avatars who sought out strong protective caring people to help them

As a stable mistress I was able to welcome as many submissives as walked through the door

Frilly Filly Farm now has over 300 members

We are able, through simple acts of role play, to encourage and support submissives seeking to succeed in a power relationship

Many go on to become trainers themselves

Others become strong members of the Second Life community

In all of this we have tried to be good members of the community

Knowing that our appearance is unusual, I have made a point of meeting and talking to all my neighbors in Second Life

When sex clubs and nightclubs were on the sim, avatars drifted onto our property who did not understand the strict behavior expected in ponyplay

They saw near naked bound women and talked dirty or behaved badly and were banned

We have a long list of banned avatars

As bad neighbors moved to island estates, we bought their land, and today, after over 2 years, we occupy a whole mainland sim

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Now we are told that our nonsexual roleplay is ADULT ONLY and we must move out of the community that has supported and protected us

You say we should want to move to be with those like us - that it will be good for business

But we are not a business - we charge no fees

We are a membership club - the members freely contribute the money that pays the tier

We do not want to be surrounded by sims devoted to Extreme Violence, Explicit Photo-Realistic Depictions of Sexual Acts, or Free Sex

We will not feel safe there and we will wither and die

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Also, we have a home and we do not wish to move

This strange hillside sim rises 80 meters from its Eastern lowlands to its Southwestern peak

Over the course of years we have carefully landscaped two rivers and many fields, gardens and trails onto this tiny farm

It has been a labor of love performed by ordinary people, not Photoshop experts or scripting geniuses

We like to go carting through the Mature sims on the continental Linden Roads that go past our sim

Please do not make us move

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I always speak about the all powerful Lindengods and sit in wonder on my neighbor's sim as my years of labor disappear and reappear during a restart

You have the power to move us, to turn off our server

But we are thriving here

We are good neighbors and we do good work

As good or maybe even better than my academic colleagues in the Real World



-- Button Wright, Stable Mistress of Frilly Filly Farm

A small village (Gor) in the spanish province of Granada is "adult content"?

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What will happen if the small spanish Village would like to establish a represantation in SL?

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and they are introducing themselfs then in english as: "hey,we are the Goreans from Gor, we love cooking Paella and Flamenco dancing" - will LL then force them to the ghetto too?

I mean...they are the real Goreans...from real Gor....

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Ah, hahahaha

oh OH...

you thought wrong. stop trolling blondin and do something useful. like answer questions. or better yet.. Resign.

Yous aid the list isnt accurate? I can assure you as part of the test group fro the 1.23 system it is accurate.

you say gor is an adult word, yes it is blocked by your filter but you go on a gorean server and the average gorean roleplayer may go for days without any sort of truely sexual roleplay or even only suggestive roleplay. Who is determining what is adult?

Why is BDSM considered adult? In a true BDSM relationship sex is only one small part of BDSM. A very fun part to be sure, but still a small part.

So again Blondin show us exactly the justifications for deliberately misclassifying these two lifestyles. Cause I am a BDSM lifestyler whenever I get the opportunity in both SL and RL. and less then 5% of my BDSM activites revolve around sex.

Clearly this is just you and your bosses showing your collective ignorance and paranoia and its insulting, discriminating (which even as a private company is still not exactly legal), and I sincerely hope karma and the legal system bite you in the ass for it.

Yes requote the one. Laugh at others. Ignore the thousands.

What deserves a repost is an accurate description of PG, Mature and Adult that makes rational sense. Why this is really needed?

Cause what you are saying now does not. If stores want to be in non sexual areas that is what PG is for.

Tits as in the birds being banned is the joke of the year which describes fairly well how this has all been handled.

Ouch, but well-said.

My apologies, you said NON-NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS, (caps yours), so they do speak English, but only have a limited understanding of it.

How is that an important distinction, unless you are suggesting they understand precisely enough English to look for tit birds, but not enough to understand they are 'songbirds?'

I think there is even a sync widget/script of some kind that you can add to your MW to sync pages or the whole thing with another MW.

Those in favour of the Adult plan are in the minority, and this call for a witch-hunt and boycotting simply because they have an opinion and posted it here aligns with how I interpret the definition of bullying. Your opinions may differ, and you are more than welcome to your opinion, but instead of engaging the poster about the issues, there were cries of arrogance and taking of offence.


lol, consdiering that 99.999% of everyone i talked to in SL is against the Adult plan, I don't even think those that support it are a minority. I think they are simply part of one group. All with the last Name Linden. Oh wiat, I know allot of lindens that don't like this plan either.

Oh, and the best part? LL justifies this by saying Universities asked for this. Two of the major Universities that invested hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars are talking about pulling out over this calling these draconian measures too extreme and too restrictive, and a privacy risk to their students or clients.

Then give us the names of all these residents who are clamoring for these changes.

which is why blondin that this system should NOT be implemented. its funny, youre making our arguments for us, and yet are too stupid to see it.

That appears to go for both sides

But coming out in favor of a plan that will destroy the value of much of the mainland isn't bullying? Coming out in favor of a plan that changes the rules in midstream isn't bullying?

Damn right these people should be boycotted. If they are in favor of hurting everyone else for their own profit.

I can believe that Adult Content creators asked for better controls, that's sensible, and I agree. But I don't think anyone can say they wanted THIS cockamamie scheme. You could have accomplished much of the same by just tightening up and CONSISTENTLY enforcing the already in place guidelines. This isn't about what they want. You are just using them to shift the blame to, you're pitting the residents against each other to take the heat off of yourselves, just as our RL political hacks do. You are selling us all out. That's what LL has come down to be. Prosititutes and Political Hacks.

I can just hear Brenda saying "Does my bum look big in these" as i scurry for cover

Hey Lord, I gave you a prop in the Undying Thread:

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Because they will use English words that they would not otherwise consider "bad".

"Tits" is a colloquialism for "female breasts". Colloquial usage is not always known or understood.

I know enough Spanish to be able to get the gist of what a Spanish person is saying without a translator. However, if they start using colloquialisms or slang, I am lost. If they use a word as a name for something I am interested in, that also has "slang" or colloquial meaning(s), and I want to search for that name in a search engine, I am going to likely get frustrated trying to figure out why a filtered search engine won't accept it. I know the name, not the slang connotation. That situation is common to many non-native language users.

Does that make it clear to you now?

Non-English speakers wouldn't even know how to navigate an English search, so it is pointless to use them as an example. Do you know how to use a Japanese search engine (assuming you are a non-Japanese speaker)? THAT is why there is a distinction.

Native English speakers are (probably) savvy enough to figure it out, but as others have pointed out, many people are going to want to search for specific items. I mean, if you are to buy a new Sapphire Radeon 4890 X2 video card, you're not going to type "video cards" into a search engine to find it. Search engines work best when you start out with the most specific terms possible and work towards the more general, otherwise you risk getting a lot of irrelevant results back, potentially making it like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

As such, it is stupid to use filtering that works that way.

If you're going to use search filtering at all, then it should be from voluntary flagging of content on the back end. IE, let users flag their content "adult" or not, and then when someone types "tits" into a non-adult search, they get birds and whatever else uses that combination of letters in that order as a name for non-adult content.

THAT is the problem we're trying to point out with the way LL is going about it, and why it is so stupid and wrong.

QFT