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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Miro Collas
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04-28-2009 00:44
Ha - and the fun is just beginning!

The Open Directory Project (now basically just AOL Search) had all this mess over 10 years ago. I was involved in it all back then, for about 5 years. Constant fighting, endless, over "what is Adult?". At least in the ODP, sites are all reviewed and sorted manually, there were no automated keyword filters to prevent a site from being correctly categorized. But still there were battles, over and over, each variants on the same basic theme.

For example, one overzealous editor shifted a massive category into the adult side, saying "anything related to BDSM is adult". Uhm... what about sites that discuss the psychology of BDSM? Or those which exist to help people attempting to cope with BDSM going overboard (ie abuse)? The editor was demoted, but then there were MONTHS of discussion before the move was reversed.

And since adult sites remain "hidden" even today, I have no doubt that the fighting continues. And I also know for a fact that it was that fighting which turned the ODP from being a MAJOR player (with Goggle using the data too), into nothing more that a tiny extra for AOL, making it largely irrelevant.

And there too, I saw other aspects come into play: those who edited on the adult side were looked down upon... smut peddlers, second class editors. The same will happen in SL, once the ghetto is set up, no doubt. I had to spent way too much time defending editors who were "guilty" of nothing other than editing in adult areas, but that fact alone made them suspect.

I guess I need to point out that I was one of the high level editors (known in the ODP as "meta editors";); we supervised other editors, proposed and implemented category structure changes and other such large tasks. And as was the case for most meta editors, I had a special area of interest, and mine was, you guessed it, adult web sites. So I was always in the middle of things when these issues arose. That's why I can look at SL today and see pretty clearly where this is going. SL is *not* the ODP of course, there are many fundamental differences. But one thing remains the same: human nature.

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Ian Nider
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04-28-2009 00:46
From: Mars Lake
As an artist and gallery owner, I find that answer unsatisfying. There are plenty of artists famous and otherwise who have done works that would appear to fall within the adult content restrictions as currently stated. There shouldn't be a line or edge cases with subjective case by case evaluations for art.

Art displayed as art should be exempt from adult content classification and censorship. Can we get that clearly stated? Or does every gallery that might someday display an edgy or controversial work according to the new SL standards of adult vs mature need to relocate to the adult flagged lands?


Kids are allowed in the real world art gallery. Stuff like Otto Dix, which carries a very intense sentiment about the nudity it displays isn't banned from children. This could be considered educational. (As could bdsm classes and I think there's even a bdsm university inworld)

There was a huge shit storm here in Australia about an artist Bill Henson recently. He had an exhibition of very sexualized underage nudes (photos) public opinion was so extreme and polarized, for and against it's ban.

PS:
What about "performance art", lol, anyone who has been involved in the arts will well know this is at times very graphic and sexual.

What about Romulus and Remus (some gods kids that got lost, I think) sucking on the wolves tits? I mean isn't that child bestiality?

Yep, the nude is well entrenched in art from the stone age fertility icons, childlike naked cherubs to some glowing red genital on today's stage making it's "statement".

If the art world or even society in general can't end the debate, how are LL going to?
Taly Fluffy
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Test Adult Content Keywords Here
04-28-2009 00:46
SL has already implemented the new word filtering on the webpage version of SL search.

Go, masses, and try out more words of "sex & violence", to see what's going to block results from the Unverifieds' view:

http://search.secondlife.com/search.php

Any blocked words you discover, add them to the list:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Search_keywords
Leanne Karas
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04-28-2009 00:48
From: Blondin Linden
Depends what Princes Leia does with that golden bikini. :-)

I don't see this impacting the Star Wars rp community at all.


Well she was held as a slave by Jabba the Hutt for a short while so I guess that would be banned on a mature sim ;)

So SWRP is not going to be impacted upon? What about the selling of skins for the SWRP Community? If I sell skins in my store then does that mean it has to become an "adult" area or can it remain "mature". Personally I think that if skins have to be deemed as "adult" content then we may as well all pack up and leave as avatar customisation is the prime basis behind our on screen identities here.

I can just see a world filled with people who are not age verified having no alternative but to run around in basic Linden skins... *sigh*
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04-28-2009 00:50
From: Darien Caldwell
Why I Support the Adult Changes

an essay by Darien Caldwell

For those that do not know me, I run Dari's Haus, Odds, ends, and Stuff, a Second Life business I started back in Feburary of 2007. My first item was a blindfold-gag, which launched my business into the stratosphere. I've been a proponent of the D/S community and freedom of speech in SL for a long time now. But I support what LL is doing, and here is why.
<many good reasons snipped>




Darien, I understand your position and actually agree with it. But while I understand that you agree with the broad goals of LL, your reasons for agreeing with this *particular* plan seem to be no more than "It is what LL is offering" or "It is all I am Likely to get".
You want LL to do *something*, and this plan qualifies as "something, so, by definition, better than nothing".

Am I understanding you correctly? Please let me know if I am not, okay?


I'd submit that those aren't very good reasons to support *this particular plan*. You say point-blank that you don't like many of the features of this plan. from what I see, that is the way *most* of us feel.
We aren't sitting here saying "We want to show porn to kids!" we're saying- "PLease don't do this. it won't work and in some cases make things *worse*. Here are a few ideas that we think will work better"

We *agree* with the impulse, by and large, but we disagree with the execution, and we don;t trust linden labs to do the right thing, or the *smart* thing- because we've repeatedly seem them choose the *worst* possible way to do things over *anything* better- Even something that just "isn't the worst way".

So to recap- Agree with the need and the want to do something about it, but think that the proposed solutions are a catastrophically bad idea, and would like to see something *else* implemented instead. :)

-V-
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04-28-2009 00:53
From: Valerius Constantine
Yes, that's what it means. Certain terms will only be viewable by account verified residents, and the un-verified will be limited to "PG" and "Mature" parcels and searches.

But it's okay, because blondin is showing us ways to get around it, and keep our adult content on "mature" land by changing a couple of descriptors in the parcel description.
So you ought to be able to find plenty of Pr0n on mature land, but people just won't be able to *call* it that.

It's all in the *name* you see- and the advertising.

-V-
Thanks for the clarification.

So presumably -- and this pretty much reflects the layout of the shop I'm concerned about -- if we leave it where it is, on a "Mature" sim, we could simply split the land on which it stands into two parcels and advertise the general animations from one parcel and the Gor and BDSM stuff -- unexceptionable content but we need to use words like "Gor," "slave," "BDSM," and "submissive" sensibly to describe it -- from the other?

How does it work, do you know, for advertising places that are on "Adult" land but don't contain "Adult" content, which will be the case, I guess, for a lot of shops on what are currently "Mature" rated private sims? If your ad doesn't contain any objectionable content, will it still be visible to everyone, even though they won't be able to get to the place unless they're age-verified? Or does the fact the ad points to a place that's Adult flagged render it invisible to folks who aren't Adult-verified or have chosen not to view "Adult" content?
Persephone Loon
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04-28-2009 00:58
From: Kara Spengler
Naming contest! :)

[Ok, yes, it would be a distraction from the discussion, but ppl could have fun with the entries.]


Since I'm (in part) a Hellenic Reconstructionist, I suggest Aphrodite Pornia, one of the classical ephithets of the Greek goddess of love. (Like saying "Our Lady of Sorrows/Mt. Carmel/Guadalupe" for those more familiar with Judeo-Christian terminology.) Or just Aphrodite, if you want to chicken out on the full name.

If you choose a non-Western pantheon, you might want to use Kama, the Hindu god of love -- which has the added multi-lingual pun value of being a homophone for "bed" in Spanish.


Persephone
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04-28-2009 01:05
From: Valerius Constantine


We aren't sitting here saying "We want to show porn to kids!" we're saying- "PLease don't do this. it won't work and in some cases make things *worse*. Here are a few ideas that we think will work better"

-V-


Yes, I think for the majority who will be left on the mainland and yet want their adult SLife it's more a case of saying, we as responsible people don't want kids around this adult stuff.

Yet I am in no way willing to give up rights to legal sexual preferences or stop just so LL can sell the mainland to the kids.

I would have NO problem with sub-diving the ratings more if kids weren't coming, it's just not ok to have them around what they are hinting we can still do in mature.
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04-28-2009 01:39
From: Blondin Linden
:-) No, but I was raised by teachers and my sister is a teacher, so I am familiar with how it works.


Heh, same here :) I thought I recognized the lingo!

-V-
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04-28-2009 02:49
From: Valerius Constantine
Aw *man*! :)
"I wanna stick your Linden in my Linden. LInden service- discreet, professional, limits- no Linden, Linden, Linden, Linden or Linden-play".
-V-

Or advertising could use a simple form of Frenglish, since 'bite' (pron. beet) is cock in French, and 'chatte' can mean pussy or prostitute.

With a little imagination, a whole world of subversive language with a truly international flavour could permeate SL - you can picture the ads now... "Slip into Johnny's diner for a bite or two"... "Looking for a pet? IM for a friendly chatte"... :D
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04-28-2009 02:54
First off all - thank you to all who responded to my query yesterday about international awareness beyond the anglo saxon community. I realized that there are a number of multiliqual speakers here which is why I addressed the question.

I was heartened that others are waking up to the mess and not in the least surprised to learn that the German community were equally outraged, organized and discussing in depth - I found it great that many are taking the trouble to translate the official and semi official comments from Lindens such as Blondin and Meta - I wonder if the respective Linden handlers for each language are contributing in the same way or if you are being left left to your own devices. I'd love to know what they have been saying. It's on occasions such as this that I have good reason to regret not having at least second language proficiency.

The Ursula Sucks' Protest Poster offer still stands - IM or notecard me to get the ball rolling - or pick up a free copy from xstreet! and add your own protest notecards

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1418575

I'm pretty sure regardless of what country forum you are following, the consensus will be much the same as here :-

The principals proposed are not what is mainly objectionable, however the manner in which the Linden Labs have botched the process up, with backtracking about land swaps , double standards over search and 'predictive' experience etc are worth protesting about - loudly!

And eternal optimist and deluded fool that I might be I hope they might just hear and take on board a few of the common sense solutions being advocated here and elsewhere, by people far more technical minded and clever than I could ever be. However past performance shows that LL are very quick to say "we hear you and feel your pain" but in reality they only seem to hear the things they want to hear, and disregard and ignore the more fundamental points - hence the series of trivial replies Blondin has chosen to give so far.

Btw Good Morning - Blondin! the weather is dull, grey and grim here in the UK this morning and the outlook is for more of the same I hope you can help bring us some cheer and have a more 'productive' day today and answer some of the more contentious points that have been directed your way. I guess yesterday was a stinker Mondays usually do suck just like 'Ursula Sucks!' for most of us.

^L^
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04-28-2009 03:00
From: Hypatia Meili
Just got a survey! :D


then there's something wrong with the grid. I only get that when it's playing up big time.
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04-28-2009 03:01
There seems to be a broad consensus in favor of the goal of separating some level of "adult" content from everything else. Some posters have stated support for the policy as proposed.

Are the rest of us--the ones who see merit in separation but oppose the proposed policy--are we just being bitchy? Are we falling into Voltaire's trap of the perfect being the enemy of the good?

I don't think so. I think there is plenty enough that's glaringly broken about this policy that the only responsible response is active opposition. Papering over its fatal flaws is not supporting Linden Lab and (most emphatically) not advancing the intended goals of such separation. It is dooming the entire endeavor to failure.

I don't want to rehash everything all over again, but there's one illustrative interchange:
From: Meade Paravane
There are, I think, 3 numbers that come out of age verification: the number of RL kids the process will keep out; the number of RL adults that will be unfairly rejected; the number of RL adults that will decline to verify because of privacy or some other such issue.

You call the current plan imperfect but I think it's just horrible - I can't see how it will keep any kids out but it will keep plenty of adults out, either by their choice or not.
From: Darien Caldwell
Can you cite these numbers and where they came from? I agree there will always be some who fall into the cracks on either side, but I haven't seen anything to indicate these numbers will be large. By placing other methods of verifying other than Aristotle under the same umbrella, I think they do a good job of patching up the cracks.

So here's the deal: There are over 20 unique unresolved public jiras about how broken IDV age verification is (both the verification process and the behavior of the in-world restriction). One aspect of that brokenness is the fact that the system as a whole has an unacceptably high "miss" rate: too many people get access to restricted material who shouldn't, both because of flaws in-world and because it's really easy to verify falsely.

Do we know what percentage of current IDV-verified accounts are bogus? Of course not. And if we did, it would mean nothing because IDV-verification is almost completely abandoned by residents because it just doesn't work, so there's no current incentive to falsely verify.

So now comes Payment Info as an alternative way to get adult verified (presumably to address another fatal flaw with IDV: high false alarms--too many people who should be able to verify just can't). But Payment Info is even easier than IDV to fake; any credit card will do--and minors increasingly have their own credit cards, so they won't even have to pilfer Mommy's purse.

Do we know what percentage of current PIOF/PIU Residents are under-age? Of course not. There's very little use of payment info for parcel restrictions (or any other purpose, really), so there's no current incentive to falsely verify.

The miss rate of the resulting test--the logical OR of two predicates both with high miss rates--is the *sum* of those miss rates. If Little Johnny can't get in with one, it's a sure bet that he'll try with the other.

And now for the first time Little Johnny will have occasion to actually try.

So, are we really just being bitchy, pointing out this and other problems, and insisting that the policy isn't an acceptable approach to addressing its stated goals? I really, really don't think so.

+++

Probably most everybody here has read about "#AmazonFail" (see, e.g., http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/14/guest-post-why-amazon-didnt-just-have-a-glitch). I see the proposed Search filters as an almost certain trigger of some similar PR disaster ahead for Second Life and Linden Lab. It's hypothetical now, but give G-Team a few weeks to tinker with the filters in response to AR volume, and I just think it's inevitable. So, then, a question for a Linden:

What specific processes are being introduced as part of this policy to prevent "#LindenFail"?
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04-28-2009 03:07
From: Brenda Connolly
First they came for the Lindens, but I didn't speak up since I wasn't a Linden.
Then they came for the Lindens, but I didn't speak up because I still wasn't a Linden.......


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Valerius Constantine
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04-28-2009 03:12
From: Coventina Dalgleish
You have a teen grid
You have a PG/Mature grid

Perhaps you need an adult grid then you can ascertain where you customer base truly exists

Just a thought...


An all adult grid would be fine with me- as long as the trade us the land we have on the current grid for land there upon a simple request to do so.

-V-
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04-28-2009 03:17
the other thing to note is that if you place an ad for none adult items and your parcel is on adult land then it will still automatically go into the adult search.

So any business that moves to ursula will effectively be cut off from those who don't automatically have the adult box ticked.

A lot of people will have the adult filter off when they're searching for things - simply to weed out those keyword spammers. But that means if I'm searching for a tree to put that blue tit in then any botanical seller out there on ursula will be excluded.

Not everyone who sells adult items sells only adult items. It unfair to penalise them because of it.
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04-28-2009 03:19
Hey Blondin,

I'm really sorry but no one cares about your weekend on the east coast. The east coast of what anyway? your ego? Oh sorry again, you were being an assumptive bigot, assuming we all live in your hideously puritanical world and are familiar with the geography of it.

Newsflash: We don't. As you can see from the thousands of posts here, we prefer a world with real freedoms; freedoms of choice and preference, freedom from discrimination and classification. A lot of us are descendants of people who have have fought and sometimes died for those freedoms. Some of us continue to live in places where those freedoms are denied but either fight for, or seek an escape from such oppression.

So you leave us with no choice, fight or flight, action or exodus. Personally I prefer the latter, to leave you in your sexually cleansed corporate ghetto and seek newer, greener pastures. I'll see you on the east coast of my arse, patsy.
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04-28-2009 03:20
From: Angelia Rees
Time to repost my questions, since they never got answered.

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Dear Lindens,

Thank you so much for the publishing of the new guidelines on the Knowledge Base (https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010) but I hate to tell you, they are still too vague to know where one stands.

I have two major concerns and several minor ones regarding the new rules and region designations. Let's start with the 1st major one:

I am the Estate Manager for a group of 4 non-mainland sims - on these sims, we allow *non-sexual* toplessness and nudity, for both women and men (including non-erect prim "bits" for men). How does this fall under the new guidelines - adult or mature? Your guidelines state no "Photo-realistic nudity". Does this also apply to realistically drawn skins? (E.g. skins with realistically detailed *drawn* nipples and "kitties"?) If so, then you might as well say nudity is "Adult", and not allowed in Mature areas, since I cannot judge what sort of skins our visitors might choose to wear. And what about prim gentialia attachments? Is it still "Adult" if our sim rules do not allow them to be in an erect state? What about the activities naked avatars are engaged in? If a group of avatars is dancing naked in a field, but not engaging in sexual acts, is *that* "Adult"? Where is the line drawn?

Another concern regarding our sim and it's activities is this: while we allow non-sexual nudity in "public" (nothing in SL is really private anyway, but we define public as anywhere one should not normally expect sexual activity - shops, taverns, the street, the main square, etc.) we do have an underground region equipt with sex-gen beds for those who wish to engage in such activities in "private". Your new guidelines state - "Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)." While our underground private rooms are not a dance club, this would still seem to apply to them in that they "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)".

We have taken great care to keep all sexual activity out of the eyes of those who might not wish to see it, while still allowing those who wish to engage in it the freedom to do so. But it seems that under your new guidelines, this would brand our sim "Adult", rather than Mature. Why are we being penalised for being *responsible* folk? If I am mistaken, and this does *not* define our sim as "Adult", please explain why it isn't and whether or not as an Estate Manager I will have to worry about fraudulant ARs from the small minority that might be offended anyway. For me, as a manager, that would be a *major* concern, because often, ARs are handled in haste and repaired after the fact. I cannot afford to be banned for "running adult activities in a mature sim", even if it were rectified later. I am part of the law and order in our sim, and need to be availible to maintain that order, as well as all my other duties as a manager.

Which brings us to our sims rental residents. Will they be forced to remove any sex-gen or similar items from their homes because of this "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)" clause? Will they have to remove nude art (including artistic nude photographs, since these are certainly "photo-realistic";)? How far does this "no sex poseballs in public" thing go? We will lose a *lot* of rental residents if they are forced to remove all things of a sexual nature from their homes.

And before you suggest "Well then, just re-zone your sim Adult", I will explain to you why we do not want to do this: We do not consider ourselves an "Adult" sim. We do not want to be re-zoned "Adult", and then have to argue with visitors who come in about not sex-scening in the street or removing erect attachments. We do not want to be ARed because we banned them from our land after they would not comply, having them tell us "This is an Adult region and I can do that here!" Even if the AR was not enforced, it makes more work for us, and we do not have a huge management staff. We also do not want to attract the sorts of visitors an Adult rating *would* attract - not because of their interests/desires/behaviours - but because they will come in assuming we offer entertainments we do not actually allow. This will hurt our reputation in the manner of "false advertising". (EDIT: Resulting in further arguements, ARs, and general ill-will between visitors and management) Not to mention the severe downturn of traffic we will see since only the age verified will be able to enter. (And would also result in banning some of our rental residents from their land, as they are Europeans who are having difficulty verifying.)

These new guidelines were obviously *not* meant to work with people who try hard to maintain a balance on their sims between sexual freedom and orgiastic licentiousness. You seem to have a assumed that if we allow any adult activity, then we are by definition an "Adult" sim, which is not always the case. Please clarify for me how these new rules will affect those of us who allow certain adult behaviours in a *controlled* and private manner. It seems as if these new rules, if implemented as I fear they will be, will end up punishing those of us who are trying to maintain a balance that will please almost everyone.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


QFT

Private homes are exempt from adult if they are non public and not advertised in search, your private areas are adult by the current definitions being touted, but problem is you cannot mix adult and mature flagged sims together so if they are all connected the whole lot will have to be flagged adult. Crazy eh?

But let me know if you get away with a mature rating as i could then reorganize our sim and not have to potentially move ;)

You can bet your bottom dollar that these rules will be implemented when they say they will.
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04-28-2009 03:22
From: Izz Ghost
Yes what about Avatar names?


Especially all of those they named with *gasp* Linden as a surname.
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04-28-2009 03:22
From: Snickers Snook
What if everyone changes their land description to just a list of bad keywords? I wanna move mommy!!!



That is a mind boggling "up yours" quote. It basically says, our customers have put so much time, effort and money into SL that they won't leave no matter how badly we treat them.


Thats how i interpreted this phrase when i first read it as well
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04-28-2009 03:23
From: Alexander Harbrough
But anyone with half a brain is going to realize that the word 'tit' is likely the culprit, and if they used the term 'songbirds' they would get precisely 3 hits, one of which sells the birds in question. Is it really believable that they would go 'omg, 3 entries? I cannot possibly check them all!' and just give up?

Or that even if they found a blue tit entry that they would ignore other songbird entries, simply because they were less specific?

Having to teleport to 3, count them, three places is not unreasonable. Maybe you are the type just walks into a shop and buys based on the assumption that shop's products are as good as all the others, but many do shop around.



Sorry alex, but If the words "cock" and "ass" are good enough for the *BIBLE*, they're good enough for PG search in SL. and the same goes for any *other* animal the has a slang term for a body part named after it- you wanna ban "anaconda", "python", "Worm" "Tunnel Snake" "Oyster" and "Clam"? How about *plants* that have parts named after them too?
Machinery?

Drop it for crying out loud.

-V-
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04-28-2009 03:24
From: Colette Meiji

Is Lindening for L$ Mature or Lindening adult?

Oh, Lindening is DEFINITELY extreme content. Just the word Linden is adult though.
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04-28-2009 03:26
From: Ilana Debevec
No no no no no... that's a copyright issue....

LinDUN.. Lindun.

Is it though? I would think the same logic as we could use SL in Second Life but not elsewhere in the world might apply.
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04-28-2009 03:28
From: Valerius Constantine
okay, you have got to be shitting me.

Nah, Lindening you. Much worse. :)
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04-28-2009 03:47
From: Valerius Constantine
If her post was as snide as some we've seen here- probably. You'll notice though that Nobody talk about boycotting LS, and he was in favor of the changes until the details came along. He likes the *idea*, it's the execution that bothers him, right LS?

-V-


Yes correct, as an adult content provider/merchant in SL i think they are a lot of pro's for it as have been said over these threads and yes i have read every single post and followed it all from the first blog post and read all the articles people are posting links for and listened to every audio recording of the meetings.

My area here is named after our RL website and we have always had the "naughty" words in the parcel description so I think we will qualify for the move to the new adult lands, but if we don't then we are all safe lol and no I am not FIC or nor have i lobbied LL for changes because i believe we can all co-exist together as we have done for years.

We are all (well most of us) adults here and i think we are mostly grown up enough to make life choices ourselves :)

What i am totally against is the way LL are going about this like a bull in a china shop and that is what motivates me to speak up against it, not the changes, just the way it is being done and several adult providers i have spoken to agree with the changes as do i but as me its the way they are being implemented that suck they believe.

I hate the way it is going to affect the smaller businesses, the ones that perhaps rely on SL incomes to supplement their RL incomes. As i have said in the past I am one of the lucky ones, i can if i want to spend a decent size amount of real cash in here in each month, without having to even think about seeing a return, to me what i spend here is just dead cash, i could go buy some islands today and not have to worry about making tier each month, i don't because i am dis-disillusioned about LL management and won't waste money at this time on a company that doesn't give a rats arse about its customers, but many cannot and have worked so hard to create what they have now in SL and these are the ones i hate to see suffer.
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