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Tcko Cazalet
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05-01-2009 05:19
From: Prilis Boa
This is an illustration of how we can expect issues of terminology to be addressed:

LL are still insisting that I flag my ass as adult content in xstreetsl, despite the fact that the item is an equine mammal and in no way suspicious or smutty. They are refusing to communicate further with me on this issue and I am unable to edit any of my other listings on xstreet unless I change my ass to adult.

I am aware that this is an xstreet issue and not inworld, but it's an illustration of the kind of lunacy and political correctness we will all be faced with for using any kind of words that don't meet with the nanny lindens approval.

you can view my ass here, I am not plugging my ass on this forum, just want to show the stupidity of the situation.

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1348154

Final thought: as all proceeds are going to cancer research, if you would like to buy my pretty ass, send me 10 bucks in world. If I sell 100 of them I will change its name to "My Pretty Linden"

Thanks


I sent you money for 50 ass's..but only send me 5....later tonite I will post a pic of them with me on flicker ^ ^
Wynochee LeShelle
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05-01-2009 05:24
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Lasher, I completely understand that comparison, and it may well result in some of the more talented people leaving SL. But where I get stuck is that this is a virtual "game"/world - no real people are getting killed, segregated, forced into slavery. The worst that (to me) is happening is that this virtual world may be becoming a place where people will leave and maybe lose some money. (Don't get me wrong, this is bad enough.) Nobody is going to be gassed, sodomized, or otherwise have any RL "rights" violated, as far as I can see. Those that really feel that this is akin to Nazi Germany (as opposed to just using it for effect, which is what I suspect most are doing), in my opinion, need to maybe look at why they feel this - maybe they are TOO much immersed in a virtual world and need to get back in tough with what matters - their real lives and themselves.

But, as I said, this is just my opinion, and I voice it. Sorry if it is unwelcome here.


From my view, even while I contered argumentative your view sometimes, your view *is* welcome. It has merit what you say but other views have the same merit - both point of views can stand side on side, I think - but I defend the right to resist moves like LL is doing them. And I repeat, that fascism/disrespect has much faces - not only the Nazi face.

If no one resists we would have still the Berlin Wall or the slavery in the USA or rassism, etc.

You are totally right when you say, that no one dies here by LL's moves. This is logical. But our art and freedom of expression - wich was given and payed so far, dies here, if we do not try to resist.

If we fail, we can leave here, yes - but because we created our SL so far, we do defend it against penetrant impertinences from LL as long and as good we can.

If people find paralleles to sorts of totalitarism in LL's behavior then it is legitimate to express this as individual or collective impression - and this is not our mistake, it is the mistake of LL to offer such impressions, instead to accord their plan to some more intelligent suggestions.

You point on the victims of the Nazis, etc. and that we would not honor them, or dishonor the pain through wich they're gone, if we point on paralleles - but: is it not ever recommended to open the mouth, ever when the smallest impression of disrespect appears on horizon? Or should we shut up and not name it like we feel it?
Qie Niangao
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05-01-2009 05:25
From: Cal Kondo
I doubt you are a minority. I'm sure many see some of these arguments as over the top. Maybe it's made them withdraw or not participate in the argument. I know I don't really want to be associated with it.
Yes. The thing is, flagging the problems with RL analogies just results (as we've seen) in pages of ever more emotional posts about how a stupid Linden business decision is "exactly like" rape, torture, genocide, and each respondent's personal political bugbear. So, as embarrassing as all that may be, there's no effective means of countering it other than to ignore it. Of course, this very post violates that principle, but... well, just saying that in this case silence doesn't equal acceptance or support.
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Ryanna Enfield
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05-01-2009 05:37
From: Qie Niangao
well, just saying that in this case silence doesn't equal acceptance or support.


Good point. Silence doesn't equal acceptance or support.

Drifting off here... I wonder if that is how the Linden's look at informing residents of these changes?

Lindens: Well... Majority of residents have been silent so... they must accept and support this idea. Those who know about the changes are around 2-4% of the population and they are not accepting or supporting the idea so... Yeah, best not to tell the remaining 98-96%.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-01-2009 05:38
From: Qie Niangao
Yes. The thing is, flagging the problems with RL analogies just results (as we've seen) in pages of ever more emotional posts about how a stupid Linden business decision is "exactly like" rape, torture, genocide, and each respondent's personal political bugbear. So, as embarrassing as all that may be, there's no effective means of countering it other than to ignore it. Of course, this very post violates that principle, but... well, just saying that in this case silence doesn't equal acceptance or support.


And LL flaggs their problems not with RL analogies? If all is not real, why do they treat it as real? They make a hype around that adult thingy, as we would run naked through their offices and as we would f***ing on their desks and peeing into their brown bags.
Milla Janick
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05-01-2009 05:39
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Edited/deleted: Nevermind - no point escalating this further. I see I am in a minority of those that feel that Nazi/holocaust comparisons are inappropriate to define a computer game. I bow to the wisdom of the majority.

No, you're right. Comparing this to the Holocaust is absurd.

It's more like living in Dilbert's world.
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Kara Spengler
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05-01-2009 05:44
From: Milla Janick
No, you're right. Comparing this to the Holocaust is absurd.


Not to mention that the more this thread gets Godwined the more people tune it out.
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Milla Janick
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05-01-2009 05:49
From: Prilis Boa
This is an illustration of how we can expect issues of terminology to be addressed:

LL are still insisting that I flag my ass as adult content in xstreetsl, despite the fact that the item is an equine mammal and in no way suspicious or smutty. They are refusing to communicate further with me on this issue and I am unable to edit any of my other listings on xstreet unless I change my ass to adult.

Isn't this exactly the sort of thing we were assured would not happen?

Kind of makes the other assurances we've been given ring a little hollow. The things we've been told here must be written into the AC policy.

Is this sort of blind content filtering really going to make Second Life more attractive to educators?

Anyone still feel safe from ARs just because your private residence isn't listed in search?
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Couldbe Yue
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05-01-2009 06:00
From: Ceera Murakami
If anyone wants one, I made a bear to commemorate the Adult Content Censorship.

Send me and IM and I will send you, free of charge, "Censored Bear".

He's a cute little cross-eyed teddy bear, entirely G-rated.

But say certain words near him, like... oh... "Linden"...

And suddenly he is wearing a chainmail and leather strap muzzle.

Free to copy and distribute.

Give one to all your Adult friends...

Send them to deserving Lindens...

The muzzle is derrived from an actual product that was never marketed, because of Linden censorship and the poor way they have handled age verification issues.


I'll be inworld later and I'll drop you an IM. He sounds adorable ;)
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Thorn Witrial
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05-01-2009 06:02
841 votes on the JIRA so far.
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Deltango Vale
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05-01-2009 06:11
From: Thorn Witrial
841 votes on the JIRA so far.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727

I provided the 850th vote :)
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Thorn Witrial
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05-01-2009 06:13
From: Deltango Vale


^_^ awesome.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-01-2009 06:25
From: Dax Greer
I did cast my vote, not that I really think it's going to matter. Esp. with only 500 something votes. To me it doesnt reflect that even close to majority of people are upset with the changes. I wish EVERYONE would vote!!! It is a good way for your voice to get heard!


Its relative, how does this issue rate relative to ALL JIRA issues. It went from zero to the #6 issue in one day. Very few people use the JIRA at all, so each vote there represents many other people who dont even know it exists or dont bother to use it.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-01-2009 06:28
From: Dax Greer
I did cast my vote, not that I really think it's going to matter. Esp. with only 500 something votes. To me it doesnt reflect that even close to majority of people are upset with the changes. I wish EVERYONE would vote!!! It is a good way for your voice to get heard!


Its relative, how does this issue rate relative to ALL JIRA issues. It went from zero to the #6 issue in one day. Very few people use the JIRA at all, so each vote there represents many other people who dont even know it exists or dont bother to use it.

The goal is to get it up in the range of the #1 issue (openspace prices), which we are 20% of the way there
Argent Stonecutter
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05-01-2009 06:34
Meanwhile, there's pending questions that won't get answered because this thread is full of crowing about ineffective protests. :(
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-01-2009 06:35
From: Milla Janick
No, you're right. Comparing this to the Holocaust is absurd.

It's more like living in Dilbert's world.



I would not talk about the bloody climax too.

But there was included: banning and burning paintings and literature, muting the open word, banning specific lifestyles as "pervert", damaging business chances, stigmatizing specific lifestyles, starting prudery, censorship..., zoning..., deplacement., robbery, breach of contracts, etc.

There we can stop. But these are the analogies.

To compare it to the beginnings is legitimate - to compare it to the bloody climax is not legitimate.

Same under Stalin, Mao, Botha and hundred other names and regimes plus same pressure under european catholizism regimes along the centuries and so on.

To say it sloppy: rock'n'roll (in any metaphoric meaning) was forbidden or hidden or both. Banned or boxed, deplaced or locked or burried in secret archives.

Do we need to have the same old stupid experiences here again? No! Since 68 and Woodstock prudery should be over.
Jamie David
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05-01-2009 06:38
From: Milla Janick
Isn't this exactly the sort of thing we were assured would not happen?

Kind of makes the other assurances we've been given ring a little hollow. The things we've been told here must be written into the AC policy.

Is this sort of blind content filtering really going to make Second Life more attractive to educators?

Anyone still feel safe from ARs just because your private residence isn't listed in search?

I think no one is safe. I personally see this a recipe for disaster. AR reports will be made by those out to hurt folk. I have been on the receiving end of it. They AR'd me for being a minor and even though the account is Verified by Aristotle and with CreditCard on file. The account was put on hold and it took about a week to get the issue cleared up.

So does that mean that your land in PG or Mature can not be AR'd for abuse I think not. Enough people to report it and that land will be?????

From everything I have read the definitions of Adult vs Mature vs PG are so vague that they are up for interpretation and it just depends on how right wing the person is.

Personally I don't mind sexual content but have big issue with violence and religion which management seems to not mind. There is far too much violence in the world and being shot and killed is an adult only issue and should be rated as such.

Same goes for those marketing religion which should only be in an adult region. Scientology, Moonies and other cults are free to roam the PG areas just as much as Star Wars folk who kill members of the Federation. Sex is banned but violence and religion is encouraged, so very hypocritical.

So to make things fair...... from all non adult areas
Ban all weapons.
Ban of religion and religious content.
Ban of all Political Parties and afiliations.
Ban of all representations of Alcohol.
Ban of all representation of Smoking.
Ban of all representation of Drugs.
Ban on all animal representation as it could lead to bestiality.
Ban on copyright material for legal reasons.
Ban on all forms of chat as it might offend.
Ban of sexually or race oriented avatars so not to offend.
Ban on anything patriotic or promoting of any one country.
and lastly for the linden's
Ban on referring to LindenLab in any way as not to offend the owners of SeondLife.

I think that covers it.
What a lovely joke.
Chris Norse
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05-01-2009 06:38
US Congressman helps LL by providing a list of adult behaviors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYhkQpcQxY
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Tcko Cazalet
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05-01-2009 06:39
I'm number 868 ^ ^
Valerius Constantine
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05-01-2009 06:43
From: Snickers Snook
OMFG

Second Life search on "gay"

This is out of control!!!! And it has to be discrimination of some sort!


All the other categories return hits for "gay". there's just not mention on the secondlife.com website. :)

^V^
Debra Himmel
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05-01-2009 06:44
For me its simple, if I have to age verify and not doing so affects my enjoyment of SL, I will simply leave. I will not age verify. I gave up TV without a problem and am better for having doine so. I will give up virtual worlds just as easily until something else comes along that does what I want. Your choice LINDEN.
Wynochee LeShelle
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05-01-2009 06:48
From: Argent Stonecutter
Meanwhile, there's pending questions that won't get answered because this thread is full of crowing about ineffective protests. :(


Is that meant as a hint to visit Linden Research, Inc. physically?

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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Well as for all this comparison...
05-01-2009 06:50
I am one of them people that cant get out much due to 'problems' and the internet is pretty much my life right now. SL would have been probably a big thing for me, It WOULD have been a big escape, now I see that won't be the case for me and those who will come after me if this kind of thing is allowed to go on. So to some people this really is a massive deal, to some its really unimportant I suppose, anyway I said I would step out of this whole thing, i've said my bits, all anyone can really do is wait and hope it wont be as bad as we think it will be.
Lasher Oh
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05-01-2009 06:59
They missed out Blue Titaphelia from the list
Wynochee LeShelle
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Read that Blondin Linden!
05-01-2009 07:03
From: Maleena Tiraxibar
I am one of them people that cant get out much due to 'problems' and the internet is pretty much my life right now. SL would have been probably a big thing for me, It WOULD have been a big escape, now I see that won't be the case for me and those who will come after me if this kind of thing is allowed to go on. So to some people this really is a massive deal, to some its really unimportant I suppose, anyway I said I would step out of this whole thing, i've said my bits, all anyone can really do is wait and hope it wont be as bad as we think it will be.


Read that Blondin Linden and tell your team to not hurt people and to not put stress on people!

You know your slogan wich says that SL is: Our World. Our Imagination.

Fill your so called TAO with life and truth!