Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

We're reevaluating the actual move process and trying to figure out a less disruptive way to accomplish it.

You would put buffer regions between them: since not everyone wants to keep their own regions you move individual parcels to these buffer regions.

Another suggestion is to remove the option to set parcel maturity rating since search is tied to the region level.

Ergo:

A PG region shall never have mature content thus there is no need to have a mature flag available for the parcel. Full enforcement of the word filter on all content in a PG flagged region is mandatory regardless of who owns it.

A Mature region does not need adult or PG parcel ratings since no adult content is allowed nor will any ads or parcels flagged as PG show up in a PG search. It does not matter if there is PG content present in mature regions. In addition people set to PG only should not be allowed into mature sims at all. Nor should they be allowed to IM or otherwise interact with anyone that is flagged mature.

Oh and btw the forcing of all residents to PG first is out of bounds don't you think? Make it an install choice selection instead of the subterfuge of trying to simply not tell people.

As for adult well you should not allow PG content or people in Adult sims. Those people are not mature and should never be allowed to interact with mature adults anyway.

Summary: The need for parcel maturity flags is over. You can take it out. Parcel maturity is determined at the region level now. An ad taken out on a parcel in a mature region will not show in PG searches even if it is a PG ad and is flagged as PG.An ad taken out on a parcel in a adult region should not show up in a mature or PG search but we can't test it yet.

Argent, most of the questions weren't getting answered anyway. Let's don't blame it on status reports of the JIRA vote

^V^

1075 votes, number 3 JIRA issue

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727?

you are making an assumption that pg only is for kids. there are a lot of adults out there I suspect will willingly drop down to pg status. Just so they avoid the ads for the snow bunnies free pixel interfacing rooms and diners

In your requirements, if you're a shoe seller on mature land you effectively cut yourself off from marketing to those people, despite the fact they are able and probably happy to tp to your shop to buy things.

Solution:
Hello Prilis Boa,

Thank you for your additional comments and information.

Ass is considered a profanity and any item listing that contains the word must be flagged as Adult Content.
Alternately, you may choose a different word for your item and item listing that is not considered profanity and your item listing will not need to be flagged as Adult Content.

Regards,

Dakota Linden

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No, the word ass is not a profanity, depending on CONTEXT. The word ass has been used in the english language for hundreds of years to describe a beast of burden long before the term was vulgarised by Americans. Please don't try and bring me down to your level and accuse me of using profanity. My usage, and even the very item in question was inspired by the uncontested master of the english language, William Shakespeare. Are you seriously saying that Shakespeare is profane?

I have had a most rare vision / I have had a dream / Past the wit of man to say what dream it was. / Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream. / Methought I was... / There's no man can tell what. / Methought I was... / Methought I had... / Man is but a patched fool if he will offer to say what I had.

The original english profanity is arse.

THERE ARE 4 PAGES OF UNCENSORED ITEMS ON SLX THAT CONTAIN THE WORD ARSE AND HUNDREDS THAT USE THE WORD ASS- USED IN A PROFANE SENSE! WHAT IS THIS DOUBLE STANDARD?

Furthermore, I will not hesitate to publicise this lunacy in any public forum I see fit in order to highlight your unfair censorship and the embargo you have placed on my business by preventing me from editing other items.

I await your response

Prils

BUt nobody will be able to search for her printed sermons. I'm sorry blondin, but to put words like "ass" and "cock" in the search filter is silly. The words that set it off so far make it sound like a kindergarten no-no list.

Is Second life an adult (as in over the age of 1 platform or isn't it? If you are filtering the sort of words that make the kids giggle in church when they hear them, you are going *way* too far in "protecting" your easily offended customers.

I mean, seriously. Linden Labs needs to re-think the search terminology at the *very* least.

Oh, and Announce the changes on the *LOG-IN SCREEN* so that your paying customers know what you are doing to their land. If that doesn't happen, it is a sign that you guys are *trying* to hide this stuff. It will bite you in the ass later- I guarantee it

^V^

I remember the time, when I learned to handle the 519,024,039,293,878,272,000 or 519 quintillion possible arrangements of the pieces that make up the Rubik's Cube.

It was, if I look 20 years back, much more easier than the new SL rating system and viewer/land options management.

I looked at Visa's website, and since they sell pre paid credit cards that under 18s can buy, it can't be used as age verification... I use a Visa for my credit card info, will it be honored?

You know - if they had just said 'OK - Everything above 4,000 m is adult' and put controls in so that unverified avatars could not TP or fly above 4,000m people could have kept their land. Moved the adult stuff up to the pornosphere and had nice parks for folks to wander in at ground level.

No need for new land and no need to move - except adult stuff up.

Oh well.

Rime

This is 100% Correct. I own an escort agency. When the viewer was changed with the *mature* check box, lots of places thought that they were no longer in search, because folks didn't see the check box in *all search*. Myself, and numerous others, then added a second listing, non-mature, using very general terms, that pointed people to my business.
I received an IM from a Linden, directing me that my business was mature, and my parcel & my classifieds must reflect this. So i changed.

BUT.
on the new RC, i can unclick EVERYTHING but PG, search "escorts" and get this.....

Results 1 - 10 of about 4620 for escorts (0.033235 seconds)

and the top listing is a BUSINESS. AN ESCORT AD AGENCY.

I counted numerous businesses, groups.. personal profiles stating they are, in fact escorts, and blatant adult business, Mature beyond a doubt. But seems no one is enforcing the rules as they stand.

What does this tell me?

A few things.
1. for those of us willing to follow the rules, we are screwed. Why? Because LL DOESN'T EVEN ENFORCE THE FEW RULES THEY HAVE IN PLACE CURRENTLY. Why was I, and others i know, pegged and told... mark it mature.. when NUMEROUS OTHERS aren't required?

2. Before LL enacts all these adult changes.. EVERYONE on the grid needs to be made aware. THE ONLY WAY this will happen, is by a LOG IN MESSAGE... one that REQUIRES you to read it, scroll down to the bottom, and check yes/no.
Otherwise.. claim you know the numbers, and only a small portion are affected. Try less than 2-4% of the POPULATION KNOWS.

It's time for LL to acknowledge that we, the residents, are adults. Even the ones that do not wish to be exposed to *adult content*. NO one under 18 should be in SL, period. Acknowledge that the content creators and residents are the ones responsible for the growth and life in SL. Take the great suggestions posted here, in these 480+ pages, and give us VIABLE reasons WHY, or WHY NOT, they should be considered. God knows, once these changes are implemented, it will be the residents finding the bugs, reporting the issues, and fixing it for you anyway. Why not get it *fixed* from the start?

Treat us as what we are. Adults. Paying customers. Paying customers that pay your salaries. With out US, there is no SL.
Kinda a no brainer eh?

Seems to me... that what we, as the affected parties, have been suggested, are a minority, as stated, then meeting the suggestions and requests of us few would have a much smaller impact overall.
1. 30 days to move anything OVER 2048.
2. 1 months free teir.
3. Land swap according to
A. parcel size.
B. seniority.
C. need... businesses first, then once all REQUIRED Moves are done. offer a FREE swap to ANYONE on mature land for equal size land in Ursula.

Three things that would show that we, paying customers, and adult content providers/creators, are paying attention.

How hard is it?

~Brie

Once again the spirt of Carlin fills me...

".... there are some two-way words. There are double-meaning words. Remember the ones your giggled at in sixth grade? 'And the cock crowed three times.''Hey, the cock the cock crowed three times. It's in the bible.' There are some Two-way words, like it's okay for Curt Gowdy to say 'Roberto Clemente has two balls on him.' But he can't say, 'I think he hurt his balls on that play Tony, don't you? He's holding them. He must have hurt them by God.' And the other two-way word that goes with that one is prick. It's okay if it happens to your finger. Yes, you can prick your finger, but don't finger your prick...." "

what it most likely is either a linden was browsing your content and decided to report you or someone who is of a mischevious bent reported you.

it's quite a known double standard over there and is typical of LL - they are never proactive they just wait for someone to report you.

I actually like my adult stuff where it is, on the ground, TYVM.

I think not. If the management were truely aware they wouldn't be making such statements as above they would be listening and giving decent explanations as this is serious rather than cutsie comments.

I think it is a rumor that linden management are aware or care. Cause looking at it as one who pays for this system. They don't. But I understand that it is their system and they get to say what happens. I get to choose who I pay my money too. The monopoly is coming to an end and then we can take our money and go elsewhere. 500$ US per month gets one a lot of service and care from most.


Which is a prime example as to why this is is not thought out and full of double standards. Shooting someone is OK but sex is not. Having sex in the description of a place is not ok but can have it in your name is.

One that makes me sick is "Crashinto Skytower" a resident of SL who has the burning twin towers in their profile also has a picture of Osama Binladin for firstlife pict and the word Boom. This is seriously offensive, I reported it 2 or so months ago when they griefed our sim but.... the lindens choose to do nothing, the account is still there and the current regulations would not change this.


The above just shows how much planning was done..... None.
How much listening to us the residents was done???.....None.

This does none of the things they say in the FAQ about helpig out the content providers and creators. It means mroe people move on and away.

Glad to hear that. Here's a MUCH easier way:

Rate the entire existing Mainland as "ADULT". Rate Ursula as PG, and make that continent the default starting point for all new or unverified accounts. Give everyone 6 months notice to either verify or relocate, if they don't want to remain in an Adult area in an over-18-only virtual world. Offer FREE moves to Ursula for any resident who wants to retain an entirely PG lifestyle. Private sims would still have the same choices to classify as Adult or not as proposed, but also with a 6 month transition period for people to relocate if their rating threshold dodn't match what the landlord selected.

This will disrupt FAR fewer people than the original plan.

http://twitter.com/malburns/status/1671097416



can't wait to see it

eta - this is a LL press conference on adult content that has just ended..

Idea 1:
When you sell land with objects included, somehow the software is able to identify all the objects located there and change the owner field in the data. Use the same method but instead, change the *location* field.

Idea 2:
Assume you save the simstate. Copy the portion of the simstate data for all the objects within a parcel boundary. Paste that into the new sim location's simstate. Then go back and delete the original.

(Not knowing how a rezzed object is stored, its hard to tell what will work. Theres lots of smart residents out here, if you tell us more, we can probably think of something)

You mean like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205

Here's the Credit card guidelines on merchant responsibilty:

# Merchants should be aware that possession of a Visa card or submission of Visa account information does not signify that the cardholder is of legal age to purchase age-restricted products.
# The issuance of Visa cards is not restricted to individuals over 18 years of age.

quoted from

http://usa.visa.com/merchants/new_acceptance/merchant_responsibility.html

They won't be dropping to "PG" on a sim rated mature. What I was saying is not really a proposal since it is already implemented.

If the region is mature you cannot place PG ads on it. Does not matter if the ad is PG and flagged as PG. There is no longer a reason for parcel maturity ratings. Every square meter of land is now rated at the level the region is rated at period.

If someone wants to access mature regions they must set that access level in their preferences intentionally. So a PG shoe store on a mature region is not going to have it's PG parcel and PG ads seen by anyone set to PG only.

Does that make it more clear? That is exactly how the system is now behaving in the rc client.

And thereby robbing any Adult residents of any way to enjoy the terrain of their parcel. Have you ever done ANYTHING at 4000 Meters? You have sky above the horizom line, blackness below, and that is it. Welcome to Limbo.

It's easy - Make Ursula PG then she won't suck for anyone - and we'll all love you!

Yes - but considering you are being forced to move which of the two options would be most disruptive?

Putting adult stuff above 4k would have meant you could have retained the same location and any non-adult ground build and activities exactly as they are now. Existing customers/friends would know exactly where to find you.

It's all moot so not arguing the point or cluttering the thread further.

Rime