Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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05-01-2009 11:05
From: Ilana Debevec Once again the spirt of Carlin fills me...
".... there are some two-way words. There are double-meaning words. Remember the ones your giggled at in sixth grade? 'And the cock crowed three times.''Hey, the cock the cock crowed three times. It's in the bible.' There are some Two-way words, like it's okay for Curt Gowdy to say 'Roberto Clemente has two balls on him.' But he can't say, 'I think he hurt his balls on that play Tony, don't you? He's holding them. He must have hurt them by God.' And the other two-way word that goes with that one is prick. It's okay if it happens to your finger. Yes, you can prick your finger, but don't finger your prick...." " Rather what I was thinking- The standard should be "can the word mean anything else in ordinary conversation?" If so, take it off the list. Sound like a carlinesque solution to me...\ "Twat's twat and That's that!"  ^V^
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-01-2009 11:06
From: Rime Wirsing You know - if they had just said 'OK - Everything above 4,000 m is adult' and put controls in so that unverified avatars could not TP or fly above 4,000m people could have kept their land. Moved the adult stuff up to the pornosphere and had nice parks for folks to wander in at ground level.
No need for new land and no need to move - except adult stuff up.
Oh well.
Rime Impossible. My avatar and not only he, has constantly erection problems above 4000 m. I tried once something up the austrian alps at around 2800/3000 m - it was a desaster and my aching lungs started to whistle the infantrymen march - I was out of any oxygen! Also I need to see some landscape, not only sky and I like *meep* *meep* at beaches and in the woods and in a normal home on normal ground on average sea level. You can call me an earth-grounded type of *meep* - *meep* - man.
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Couldbe Yue
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05-01-2009 11:06
From: Lord Sullivan Thats the impression i got from jack at the BB meeting as they have made the terrain already on the new continent btw blondin, FIX THAT SNOW!!!!! they're still using that crappy ice texture.
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Ann Otoole
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05-01-2009 11:07
From: Ciaran Laval This does seem to be the case and it's a very silly case, especially as I still haven't seen any examples of keywords that are allowed in mature search but not PG search. Only way to find out is to own some PG land in a PG region and try some ads.
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Shockwave Yareach
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05-01-2009 11:08
From: Ceera Murakami And thereby robbing any Adult residents of any way to enjoy the terrain of their parcel. Have you ever done ANYTHING at 4000 Meters? You have sky above the horizom line, blackness below, and that is it. Welcome to Limbo. Actually I've built several very neat skyboxes way up that look incredible. The secret ingredient is... a megasphere around the skybox. You envelope your skybox and texture the interior of the giant sphere so you appear to be floating above jupiter, orbiting a planet, hovering above giant alien moonscapes... you get the idea. It's very easy to do, though texturing properly does take some experience to get as you like it. PS take a search for Club Zero Gravity if you want an example. But yes, THIS idea is far superior to the lame-ass frog march the Lindens have in mind. Many ideas brought up in this forum are superior to LL's Operation Whitewash.
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Lord Sullivan
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05-01-2009 11:09
Added to the slapt.me wiki and once this thread is closed i will start to go over it and post points on the wiki also 
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Ilana Debevec
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05-01-2009 11:11
not 4000m, 3000m or 3500m. at 4000m you can only build up another 96m before things have a tendency to go 'off world'.
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Shockwave Yareach
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05-01-2009 11:11
From: Rime Wirsing Hmmm - I swear I remember seeing an advert for rental land that was basically a terraformed sim at different altitudes sharing the same region...
Rime Rocket City Furmeet often has underwater activities 800m up above their sim. So yes, it is possible. You don't have the haze like underwater, but that's just because RCFM keeps their aquariums clean 
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Couldbe Yue
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05-01-2009 11:16
From: Sindy Tsure Hmm... [Quote:] 13:30 Mal Burns : Coming later - recording of LL Press Conference - just finished 13:31 Mal Burns : ON AIR: Noon SLT From: Sindy Tsure Hmm...
Drat - still another hour+ away.. Anybody know what this was about? as far as i know it's a press conference that just finished on "adult provisions". Well that's what the twitter said
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Ceera Murakami
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05-01-2009 11:16
From: Ryanna Enfield Is land and water possible at a second level? Meaning there is ground level with land and water and trees... But what if at 4000m above there was another layer of land and water? Is that even possible? Just curious. Not with the current server software, no.
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Ryanna Enfield
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05-01-2009 11:19
From: Sindy Tsure Prim land/water? Yep.. 'Real' land/water? Nope.. Why not? You mean to tell me they can't make a second layer of baked terrain and some water at 4000m? Maybe you are right, but it seems like it should be able to code a mirror of the ground below at different altitudes. With all the tech we have and coding that wouldn't be possible to do? If you look below the terrain there is nothing there but space anyhow... Water is essentially laying on top of that... If it is possible in a gaming environment, why not in SL?
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Ceera Murakami
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05-01-2009 11:22
From: Shockwave Yareach Actually I've built several very neat skyboxes way up that look incredible. The secret ingredient is... a megasphere around the skybox. You envelope your skybox and texture the interior of the giant sphere so you appear to be floating above jupiter, orbiting a planet, hovering above giant alien moonscapes... you get the idea. It's very easy to do, though texturing properly does take some experience to get as you like it.
PS take a search for Club Zero Gravity if you want an example.
But yes, THIS idea is far superior to the lame-ass frog march the Lindens have in mind. Many ideas brought up in this forum are superior to LL's Operation Whitewash. *shrugs* Yeah, I have a skybox lounge at 3K Meter up, designed like a space ship and surrounded by a hollow megaprim. From the inside it's stars, from outside it looks like the Moon. But that isn't terrain, and water, and a natural environment.
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Ceera Murakami
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05-01-2009 11:24
From: Ryanna Enfield Why not? You mean to tell me they can't make a second layer of baked terrain and some water at 4000m? Maybe you are right, but it seems like it should be able to code a mirror of the ground below at different altitudes. With all the tech we have and coding that wouldn't be possible to do? If you look below the terrain there is nothing there but space anyhow... Water is essentially laying on top of that... If it is possible in a gaming environment, why not in SL? Because it isn't designed to be that flexible? The answer is simply to have a completely diferent simulator, and not bother with trying to stack the spaces. But then you're right back to having to move people again.
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Phoenix Nohkan
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05-01-2009 11:26
From: Brieanne Bomazi Seems to me... that what we, as the affected parties, have been suggested, are a minority, as stated, then meeting the suggestions and requests of us few would have a much smaller impact overall. 1. 30 days to move anything OVER 2048. 2. 1 months free teir. 3. Land swap according to A. parcel size. B. seniority. C. need... businesses first, then once all REQUIRED Moves are done. offer a FREE swap to ANYONE on mature land for equal size land in Ursula.
Three things that would show that we, paying customers, and adult content providers/creators, are paying attention.
How hard is it?
~Brie
Unfortunately the Lindens seem to have answered this in one of their brown bag meetings. "Q: Will those who move be able to have exactly the same size parcels on the new continent? A: It's impossible really for us to have as wide a range of parcels available as you folks might be giving up on the mainland. " I was emailed that by the owner of the sim I work in/on. Maybe some people still aren't aware of that answer so I'm posting it here. I know we can nitpick the wording of that response but it does suggest that Ursula will be cramped.
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Lord Sullivan
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05-01-2009 11:27
Lets hope its interesting 
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Kalderi Tomsen
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05-01-2009 11:30
From: Blondin Linden We're reevaluating the actual move process and trying to figure out a less disruptive way to accomplish it. Wow, please forgive my incredulity, but that's IT? * Search is a total mess because of the use of keywords, rather than a context-based system, as proposed in a JIRA * most residents don't even know about it yet, haven't had their say, and according to you, won't be informed before it happens, unless they read the blog or the forum, * private "extreme sex" sims can be placed right next to PG-rated private sims, defeating the whole thing about trying to prevent people "camming in" from PG-rated sims, * the definitions of everything are very vague - we relied on you to get a picture of how it will be implemented, but none of that is documented yet except for in this soon to be closed several hundred page thread, so the implementation team can, basically do what they want. Blondin, this is kind of a shambles - if you are planning on having this ready to go in a month then you have a lot more work to do than just clarifying how to make the moves work easier for residents. While that goal is a noble one, all this other stuff is really nasty and isn't going to get sorted out in a couple of weeks... (just MHO)
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Lord Sullivan
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05-01-2009 11:33
From: Sindy Tsure Hmm...
Drat - still another hour+ away.. Anybody know what this was about? It would be nice to think its damage limitation from LL after some of us spent the day contacting the press as America slept  Still loads more to do though 
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Thorn Witrial
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05-01-2009 11:38
JIRA is 5 away from 1200 votes.
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Couldbe Yue
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05-01-2009 11:38
http://www.mogulus.com/metaworld2seats are filling up - time to stake your place in the auditorium
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Sindy Tsure
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05-01-2009 11:39
From: Ryanna Enfield Why not? You mean to tell me they can't make a second layer of baked terrain and some water at 4000m? Maybe you are right, but it seems like it should be able to code a mirror of the ground below at different altitudes. With all the tech we have and coding that wouldn't be possible to do? If you look below the terrain there is nothing there but space anyhow... Water is essentially laying on top of that... If it is possible in a gaming environment, why not in SL? Why not? Because it doesn't work that way!! It's not an easy thing to change, either. For example, any scripts that deal with land/water height have no concept of different levels - it's all just "the height at position X/Y".
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Phoenix Nohkan
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05-01-2009 11:39
From: Viciously Llewellyn There is a limit of logic to how much one can protest the actions of a private company that is setting guidelines for something owned by them. This is no longer a reasonable majority, vocal opposition. Those people are still here to be sure, but are now a minority being screamed down by people using words like fascism, posting pictures of a giant penis on public websites, bombing Jack's inbox (Jack, who seems to be the only Linden attempting to keep this to extreme content only), and discussing presenting the "plight of porn" in the media. The resistance movement is now an embarrassment. Those members of the reasonable vocal opposition, should have spent as much time talking down the nutcase factions in their ranks, as was spent castigating any Linden that moved, or seaking out every single @#$% word to gripe about. So, the bear is lame, because the cause it now lame. The t-shirt is not, because it would be fun to wear one.  This is completely and entirely opinion. I am not bothered by people using the tactics you described to oppose biased and arbitrary decisions that don't even begin to accomplish their stated goals. I wonder at the shock expressed by the provocative and sensationalist methods used in a culture of shock jocks and TV personalities. Wow! isn't surprising people copy what surrounds them. SL is a private company to be sure but without the contributions and involvement of the residents they would have very little to offer. Outrage at the owners is completely justified in all its many and varied expressions. That's my opinion.
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Ryanna Enfield
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05-01-2009 11:49
From: Sindy Tsure Why not? Because it doesn't work that way!!
It's not an easy thing to change, either. For example, any scripts that deal with land/water height have no concept of different levels - it's all just "the height at position X/Y". Ah, well that is too bad. It is far easier to move up, as well as no one would need to purchase new land or swap land. There would be lots of empty space and it almost has the feel of open spaces. But it is obvious I simply don't know enough about the technical aspects of the grid. I'm more of a dreamer.
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Mosley Sperber
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05-01-2009 11:50
From: Mosley Sperber I want to repeat one question that was left unanswered in the office hour:
First, a list of facts we know so far ...
1) there will be a keyword list; words on that list are considered "adult", and classifieds or parcels using these words in their description must lead to adult land or will not be visible in search for anyone.
2) this keyword list is (quoting Blondin here) "very flexible", and will probably not be made public.
This basically means that at a moment's notice, the keyword list could change, and a previously perfectly PG or mature parcel or classified could be totally invisible in search.
Now the question:
If (when) that happens, will the parcel owner / the one who runs the classified be notified in any way? Quoting myself here, because this one is still unanswered.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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05-01-2009 11:52
From: Phoenix Nohkan This is completely and entirely opinion. Everything posted here is opinion. The question was sent to me, so I expressed mine.  I agree that outrage is justified, as is the freedom to express it. That wasn't the question. The question was about what I felt was lame, etc ... Linden Labs is a business, and when you attend a business meeting, you make your point professionally, and stay on point. That isn't what happened here. This whole matter is blueprint of how not to get your way in any business situation. Come on ... a giant penis, and comparisons to Nazis? Threats to leave, by the same people that threatened to leave a few months back? I wonder if anyone at The Lab dug their heals in on those ones. 
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Ian Nider
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05-01-2009 11:56
From: someone Originally Posted by Viciously Llewellyn There is a limit of logic to how much one can protest the actions of a private company that is setting guidelines for something owned by them. This is no longer a reasonable majority, vocal opposition. Those people are still here to be sure, but are now a minority being screamed down by people using words like fascism, posting pictures of a giant penis on public websites, bombing Jack's inbox (Jack, who seems to be the only Linden attempting to keep this to extreme content only), and discussing presenting the "plight of porn" in the media. The resistance movement is now an embarrassment. Those members of the reasonable vocal opposition, should have spent as much time talking down the nutcase factions in their ranks, as was spent castigating any Linden that moved, or seaking out every single @#$% word to gripe about. So, the bear is lame, because the cause it now lame. The t-shirt is not, because it would be fun to wear one. 
The best protest is a sober and solid one. Also all opinions need airing in peace, slamming people as bigots when they are at odds is the end of any feeling of solidarity.
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