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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Felix Oxide
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05-01-2009 13:39
From: Vorren Voltaire
So really, adult land will be limited to adult use only. Park or porno pit, its all the same, its going to be hidden. (not just put out of reach, but hidden)
Oh be careful. He will say that is untrue. Anyone who is verified (and remembers to set their preferences) and wants to find you will be able to. Too bad no one new will be able to.
Katheryne Helendale
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05-01-2009 13:41
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Its relative, how does this issue rate relative to ALL JIRA issues. It went from zero to the #6 issue in one day. Very few people use the JIRA at all, so each vote there represents many other people who dont even know it exists or dont bother to use it.

The goal is to get it up in the range of the #1 issue (openspace prices), which we are 20% of the way there
It is now #3, surpassing the Hippo JIRA, and about to overtake the "More than 25 Groups" JIRA. It is currently at 1308 votes.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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05-01-2009 13:41
From: Sindy Tsure
Hm..

There's been a fair amount of concern over ursula population density.. Adult places tend to be high-traffic places. We asked about this, many times - what cramming all these high traffic places into a relatively tiny number of sims would do. The answer LL gave was that all ursula regions would be on class 5 hosts. That's it. Nothing else.

There's been lots of concern that land speculators would do to ursula what they did (and are still doing) to bay city and nautilus. The answer LL gave was that land speculation wasn't a banned activity. That's it. Nothing else.

These are very reasonable and legit concerns and if LL does not manage them, the adult industry in SL will, at best, have growth halted.

You sure you want to stick with that bit I quoted? I'm feeling nothing but contempt from LL...


Well, its me tilting at windmills now. :-)

Look, I'm really not trying to change anyone's mind here, just offering an observation, for whatever it may, or may not be worth.

I'm also not saying I'm smarter than anyone else ... but you know how sometimes where you watch a game, you see better moves than the one playing it?

The first threads ... the ones that are now locked, were attack based and in their face right from the start. Lots of people in the adult industry that tried to talk sense, were shouted down.

Not the way to get what you want. :-)
Ann Otoole
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05-01-2009 13:42
- Document explicitly how the search filtering works.

- Publish the word list for each level so we can avoid those words (stupid not to)

- Heavily theme zone Ursula to prevent kindergarten town like the mainland is today

- Stop making decisions about the viewer without discussing it with us first (pie menu changes that are not even needed, skin debacle, etc)

- State explicitly what the TOS is in respect to websites not on LL server space. (Will LL be policing the internet to find people to ban?)

- Put a huge picture on the main viewer login screen that explains what is going on since 90% or more have no idea about this change.

- Hire better experts in respect to banning words. some guy working for LL is not an expert in law. We like SL and don't want it at risk to lawsuits over this stuff.

And I think you might get a lot more support for this change.

Make Ursula something to be proud of.

As for the word list make it real easy on yourself. Put it in the TOS that exploiting the word list to bypass the intent of the rules will result in expulsion from Second Life and give clear case examples. SL could do without those type of people anyway.
Lindal Kidd
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05-01-2009 13:42
From: Viciously Llewellyn
It did start out reasonably polite.

There was also a point when we were told that answers were forthcoming. This didn't seem to be acceptable, as the bombardment started, and when answers were not given on the time table required by the person asking, which seems to have been NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW, the board went into massive attack mode.

I haven't seen a Linden disrespect anyone.


I have, Viciously. Not by calling anyone names, true. But Blondin Linden has explicitly suggested that people hide their adult content (that dirty, nasty stuff. ewwww.) He has encouraged people to lie...by describing their adult content in "safe" terms. He's blown off our concerns with an airy, "just fly under the radar...and don't get caught" attitude.

I call that disrespect, big time. Who does he think we are, unprincipled corporate types?
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Another way to search:
05-01-2009 13:47
Go to google and enter:

Escort site:world.secondlife.com

Go to internal SL web browser, with PG level set in preferences (1.23 version), enter same thing.

Both yield adult results
Argent Stonecutter
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05-01-2009 13:49
Why are people talking about beer being adult? Beer is Mature in the current KB6010 definition, and PG in the current in-force definition that Blondin says is not going to change.
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Couldbe Yue
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keeping the old mainland
05-01-2009 13:55
Blondin, did jack really say that if we got the swap and wanted to keep our original mainland we could as long as we cleaned it up and paid the extra tier?
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Innula Zenovka
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05-01-2009 13:56
From: Darien Caldwell
In the case of her business, it would probably be best to spin her adult items into a separate adult store. Piling it all together does neither the service. Adult things will sell best in adult sims, non-adult things will sell best in non-adult sims.
But the problem with her items isn't the nature of the item itself -- we're both pretty sure that all her stock can safely be displayed for sale in a "mature" sim -- so much as how she can sensibly describe some of the stuff without using "adult" terms (often it's a question of whether you buy what's essentially the same piece of furniture with the vanilla or the bdsm set of anims -- the only real difference is the contents and some chaining points). They certainly co-exist quite happily at the moment, both selling well from the same shop, but it looks like two stores is going to be the best solution.
Sindy Tsure
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05-01-2009 13:57
From: Couldbe Yue
Blondin, did jack really say that if we got the swap and wanted to keep our original mainland we could as long as we cleaned it up and paid the extra tier?

That's what I heard in the audio thing today.

Why not? Saves them the trouble of having to resell it..
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Hypatia Meili
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05-01-2009 13:59
From: Couldbe Yue

* Account verification requires you to give LL your payment details - credit card or paypal or to have given your payment details to XStreet SL.
From: Blondin Linden

Those who already have that info on file are set.
Except it is not updating in world , and there is no proper way for a basic account to submit a ticet on it not working.



From: Couldbe Yue

##How this affects you as mainland owning resident.##

The approach appears to be “consenting adults in private”, so if you’re on mature land then move everything that might be sexual inside and it looks like you’ll be fine.

If you want to advertise your land in places, events or put a classified up and use any of the adult keywords to describe it or if the activities of your open house fall on the adult side of the fence then you need to consider moving to the adult continent or using words that will pass the adult keywords filter.

If you do that though and your actual activity is adult then you can be ARd if someone turns up and is offended. The moment you make your land public access and advertise it in any way, if it falls foul of the policy then you’re at risk. Even if you only do it once a year.
From: Blondin Linden

Basically
So for my HOME parcel(group only) with private beach area I will have to move my beach towels picnic table and hot tub and i guess the beach indoors?



From: Couldbe Yue

* Either your parcel will be inspected to see if it does fit the adult criteria or they may allow everyone to move. there is no current definitive answer to this yet.

* If you are allowed to move you will be asked to provide a list of 3 places in Ursula that you consider suitable. At the moment they will not consider adjusting the parcels for non rectangular shaped plots nor will they guarantee you’ll get the same size of plot as you’ll be giving up.

From: Blondin Linden

You'll be able to request your top three plots when you file the ticket. The size of your plot will be comparable to your current land holdings.
what about odd ball sized plots and same group plots in the same sim?
Over time I have purchased additional odd pieces within the same sim for my business to ad to prims. Adjoining some of them may be difficult

I also have a couple, of partners with adjoining parcel to my main one.
Will they need to be combined with mine to be moved together
Ryanna Enfield
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05-01-2009 14:02
From: Darien Caldwell
In the case of her business, it would probably be best to spin her adult items into a separate adult store. Piling it all together does neither the service. Adult things will sell best in adult sims, non-adult things will sell best in non-adult sims.



However, things sell the best when they are all located in ONE location. And this is why this policy will ruin businesses. I can't tell you how many times I've been shopping for something in a store and just happen to buy five to ten other things while I'm there because.... they caught my eye. This is where this policy fails on every level.. PG, Mature, and Adult.
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05-01-2009 14:02
From: Sindy Tsure
That's what I heard in the audio thing today.

Why not? Saves them the trouble of having to resell it..


that's a win/win all round if you're happy to go up a tier
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Vorren Voltaire
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05-01-2009 14:03
From: Felix Oxide
Oh be careful. He will say that is untrue. Anyone who is verified and wants to find you will be able to. Too bad no one new will be able to.


I don't think that even the best linden spin can make this sound like a good thing. Its one thing to limit access to adult content, another thing altogether to hiding it from public view.

This is pretty much like the city council saying to the local bars,strip clubs and adult book stores.
"You have to all move. You have 30 days to move all your merchandise to a new location outside of town that we will provide free of cost, but you will not get any sort of tax breaks or compensation, nor will you keep your old property unless you want to pay double the taxes. You will be allowed to put up a sign saying that you have moved, but after 30 days or less (we'll decide) it will be taken down.

Furthermore, you are not allowed to advertise in any newspapers or magazines other than X-rated ones (which are only available at adult book stores). You will not be allowed to advertise via billboards or use any signs advertising your services, and the only way you can advertise your existence is to pass out fliers and by word of mouth.

Any business that does not comply will be shut down, but its an amazing opportunity."

Pretty crazy, isnt it?
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05-01-2009 14:04
From: Hypatia Meili
Except it is not updating in world , and there is no proper way for a basic account to submit a ticet on it not working.

So for my HOME parcel(group only) with private beach area I will have to move my beach towels picnic table and hot tub and i guess the beach indoors?

what about odd ball sized plots and same group plots in the same sim?
Over time I have purchased additional odd pieces within the same sim for my business to ad to prims. Adjoining some of them may be difficult

I also have a couple, of partners with adjoining parcel to my main one.
Will they need to be combined with mine to be moved together



if he didn't correct what I'd posted then you have to assume I'm correct. although i do remember somewhere that they said they'd consolidate
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05-01-2009 14:07
From: Vorren Voltaire
I don't think that even the best linden spin can make this sound like a good thing. Its one thing to limit access to adult content, another thing altogether to hiding it from public view.

This is pretty much like the city council saying to the local bars,strip clubs and adult book stores.
"You have to all move. You have 30 days to move all your merchandise to a new location outside of town that we will provide free of cost, but you will not get any sort of tax breaks or compensation, nor will you keep your old property unless you want to pay double the taxes. You will be allowed to put up a sign saying that you have moved, but after 30 days or less (we'll decide) it will be taken down.

Furthermore, you are not allowed to advertise in any newspapers or magazines other than X-rated ones (which are only available at adult book stores). You will not be allowed to advertise via billboards or use any signs advertising your services, and the only way you can advertise your existence is to pass out fliers and by word of mouth.

Any business that does not comply will be shut down, but its an amazing opportunity."

Pretty crazy, isnt it?


Brilliant summation.

A). I'm very depressed about this rampant stupidity, selfishness and thoughtless gingoism from LL.

B). Viciously, the above example is exactly what LL has told adult businesses to do. THAT is disrespectful in the extreme. Not to mention underhanded.
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05-01-2009 14:07
From: Hypatia Meili

So for my HOME parcel(group only) with private beach area I will have to move my beach towels picnic table and hot tub and i guess the beach indoors?
Put a hollow megasphere with a transparent interior and opaque exterior over it.
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05-01-2009 14:07
From: Vorren Voltaire
I don't think that even the best linden spin can make this sound like a good thing. Its one thing to limit access to adult content, another thing altogether to hiding it from public view.

This is pretty much like the city council saying to the local bars,strip clubs and adult book stores.
"You have to all move. You have 30 days to move all your merchandise to a new location outside of town that we will provide free of cost, but you will not get any sort of tax breaks or compensation, nor will you keep your old property unless you want to pay double the taxes. You will be allowed to put up a sign saying that you have moved, but after 30 days or less (we'll decide) it will be taken down.

Furthermore, you are not allowed to advertise in any newspapers or magazines other than X-rated ones (which are only available at adult book stores). You will not be allowed to advertise via billboards or use any signs advertising your services, and the only way you can advertise your existence is to pass out fliers and by word of mouth.

Any business that does not comply will be shut down, but its an amazing opportunity."

Pretty crazy, isnt it?


not if you consider they want to hide us completely from anyone who has not given fake id or used a prepay credit card with false details to verify
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05-01-2009 14:09
From: Vorren Voltaire
I don't think that even the best linden spin can make this sound like a good thing.

Should have heard the audio of the press conference earlier today. They're all excited about it.

/me wonders what emperor M has on for new clothes..
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05-01-2009 14:09
From: Vorren Voltaire

"You have to all move. You have 30 days to move all your merchandise to a new location outside of town that we will provide free of cost, but you will not get any sort of tax breaks or compensation, nor will you keep your old property unless you want to pay double the taxes."
Sounds like a deal to me. MY problem is they're not offering the deal to everyone who needs it.
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05-01-2009 14:09
From: Argent Stonecutter
Put a hollow megasphere with a transparent interior and opaque exterior over it.
And sculpt the outside like a big boulder?
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05-01-2009 14:11
From: Ceera Murakami
And sculpt the outside like a big boulder?
A mushroom would be more appropriate.
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Felix Oxide
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05-01-2009 14:12
From: Vorren Voltaire
I don't think that even the best linden spin can make this sound like a good thing. Its one thing to limit access to adult content, another thing altogether to hiding it from public view.

This is pretty much like the city council saying to the local bars,strip clubs and adult book stores.
"You have to all move. You have 30 days to move all your merchandise to a new location outside of town that we will provide free of cost, but you will not get any sort of tax breaks or compensation, nor will you keep your old property unless you want to pay double the taxes. You will be allowed to put up a sign saying that you have moved, but after 30 days or less (we'll decide) it will be taken down.

Furthermore, you are not allowed to advertise in any newspapers or magazines other than X-rated ones (which are only available at adult book stores). You will not be allowed to advertise via billboards or use any signs advertising your services, and the only way you can advertise your existence is to pass out fliers and by word of mouth.

Any business that does not comply will be shut down, but its an amazing opportunity."

Pretty crazy, isnt it?
It is and that was why I was so upset in a previous post. My sim is completely invisible to PG searches for approved mature keywords in the RC viewer because I followed the rules and flagged my land as mature. But many other places showed up with flagged adult keywords in their names and descriptions because they did not flag their land as mature. So do I try to "fly under the radar" and hope not to get busted or follow the rules and become invisible to any new people in SL and solely depend on the base of people who can see my listing.

**Edit** Unverifieds should still be able to see the listing with flagged keywords filtered and a message that they must become verified to enter that region. I would be happy with that compromise.
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05-01-2009 14:14
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P.S. might as well go out smiling ^ ^
Hypatia Meili
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05-01-2009 14:16
From: Couldbe Yue
if he didn't correct what I'd posted then you have to assume I'm correct. although i do remember somewhere that they said they'd consolidate
Probably!
I was just hoping for some direct answers my self.
What we are getting seems to be incomplete at answers at best.