Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I am guessing that LL have realised just how much work there is still to do in sorting this stuff out, and want to nail down a few more things before they broadcast it to a wider audience to get feedback.

Either way I hope that they give EVERYONE a lot of notice about this, and not just on the blog and here.... it HAS to be in-world.

Here's the timeline as near as I can figure:

*Decision to "clean up mainland"- more than 6 months ago
*Announcement of decision to segregate adult content in pornotopia- last week
*Announcement of how many sims would be affected- last week
*In-world announcement of decision to segregate "adult content"-never
*End of commenting period- supposedly today
*Decision as to exactly what constitutes "adult content"-next week
*Opening day for "ursula" continent- sometime in june


That's really all anyone knows about timelines to my knowlege

-V-

Except Nany didn't do that. Her organization has a rather substantial SL presence. Check her profile picks.

The claim has been made that organizations are turned off by objectionable material in SL, but no one has presented any evidence to back it up.

Even if it were true, putting all the top 4% of objectionable material in one place won't clean up SL, it'll make the cartoon naughtiness easier to find.

This is going to make SL more palatable to the imaginary entities who are currently turned off by SL's content now? Yeah, good luck with that, LL.

Your idea of biting and mine are unfortunately two different concepts. the line"... slowly nibbles at the nape of your neck" takes on a whole new meaning..

After meeting up with Grady the other day I now also know that I must be much more careful about whom I tell that I want to devour them




and I would expect no less from a gentleman.

Well, I still think that Mickey Mouse is behind this whole thing. Has anyone seen a picture of Linden Lab's CEO?

sooo... how many sims will be affected?
and if they havent decided what constitutes "adult" yet, how can they know?

The original topic of this thread is *supposed* to be a discussion to decide what "adult" means, and offer feedback to LL on *it's* definition of "adult.

Our feedback has mostly been "For the love of god, don't *do* this! Are you *high*?!"

So there you go.

-V-

/me doesn't see them limiting it to that. Anything to do with the adult content effort at LL is probably appropriate here..

Do I expect it? No, I don't. I expect LL will do just as they have on every other resident-opposed decision in the past - go full-steam-ahead and don't even pause to consider the consequences.

But as someone who tries to run a business in Second Life, and has invested countless hours over the last three years trying to have a positive impact on this virtual world, I have to at least TRY to get a response from them that would demonstrate some shred of evidence that they understand what the words "Customer Service" and "Customer Satisfaction" mean.

Sadly, their every action for the past several years implies that to them, "Customer service" involves serving their customers on a platter, nicely roasted, with the self-assurance that no matter how many people get ticked off and leave, there's plenty of disposable cattle lined up at the entry chutes awaiting their own slaughter.

I stay here because, for all its faults, there is no better alternative anywhere. And because this is where my friends are. But if they drive my friends away with draconian, badly thought out censorship, then I won't stay long after that.

They're not moving weirdness to a weird continent, they're moving adult businesses (maybe) or parcels with extreme adult content (maybe) or something like that to a new continent. They're not doing anything about people who fail to tag mature-but-not-adult content in the search. They're not doing anything about griefers and obscene attachments in welcome areas. They're not doing anything about X-rated profiles. They're not doing anything about all the other weird and nasty stuff that's already against the ToS that would actually have an effect on the "first five minutes" experience for the suits.

We've always insisted (me especially) that SL isn't a platform that a corporation would seriously consider. But the other night I happened to actually get a little intel from the corporate viewpoint...I talked to a former IBM employee.

Guess what? IBM *is* interested in making SL a corporate platform (shudder!) The problem is that doing so will, inevitably, kill it as the entertainment platform that it is now.

And IBM, and similar corporations, and LL, are being incredibly stupid about this. Why not leave SL the hell alone? Use its basic concepts to create a NEW product, a clean product, a corporation-friendly product. Let the suits have their meetings and their positive ID and their controlled content...in their own dedicated virtual world.

And let us have our boisterous, fun, varied, and downright unpredictable Second Life.

Please?

That may have been this post I'd made a while ago:

/352/38/311510/15.html#post2352442

They are. That is precisely WHY IBM has their own grid, completely seperate from the SL Adult Grid, safely tucked behind IBM's Corporate Firewalls. Corporations don't set up their offices as employees sitting on park benches in Central Park. They make business campuses with security guards and security cameras and controlled access badges for every employee. Big Business in SL will be a series of locked towers, with maybe a single bridge across which the unwashed masses may enter the outermost courtyards on market day.

I will not identify anything I make or sell as adult or not.
I will not mark my land as adult or not.
I will not cooperate with this stupid and backwards screwup.
I will not move, voluntarily or involuntarily. Attempting that will just find me in an alt and no more money coming into your coffers, ever.
I will not be a party to this UNFAIR, unnecessary and doomed-to-fail effort, good intentions or no.

Seriously, if YOUR knickers are in a wad, it's YOUR problem, not mine. I will not be a part of anybody trying to force the many to change, merely to suit a few closed minds that would be happier at the "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" anyways. If LL wants a better image, then there can be no better image than to start an all new G rated continent for businessmen, teens, and new visitors who haven't age verified yet.

But since LL has made up its mind and doesn't like being confused with the facts, I'll just sit and watch the destruction. And I can't wait until the first lawsuit when someone's precious little girl wanders the mainland and cams to watch the man trying to jump over the woman over and over again, but he's stuck somehow. Mmm, I can hear the moaning of the blood-hungry lawyers now...

Oh, I agree with you completely- I don't *have* a company, although the household I belong to is working to build up enough builds to market items on Xsl, and perhaps in-world as well.
So, we'll be affected by this as well. I was just saying that LL is probably dealing with would-be corporate sponsors that are looking askance at the various weirdnesses that they see in-world.

LL's chosen method to resolve this is to clean up the content until it is acceptable to enough corporations to make the desired amount of profit.

those of us on this forum are mostly trying to tell LL that they haven't thought this through carefully enough. We all have our pet solutions, so we're discussing them, and having the occasional digression while we wait for LL to close off the thread without listening to us

-V-

By the way, I wanted to tell you that your placement of the "greatest love hunt" prize was devious, evil and totally uncalled for! My friends searched for an *hour* and were suckered into trying out all of your display equipment!
Off to pornotopia with you!

-V-

One major question that I have pertaining to Ursula:

Is the continent going to sold, region by region, at auction and left to land speculators to parcel and price? Or is LL going to be relocating people, offering land exchanges, etc.?

A second question:

With the exodus of businesses, clubs, and some residents to the new continent, there is undoubtedly going to be a lot of abandoned land on the remaining mainland. Has there been any thought about reinstating First Land?

Unfortunately, such protest actions will have no impact on LL. If they decide you are in the nebulous class that has to be on flagged land or else, and you refuse, they can and will simply delete the offending content, and quite possibly ban and/or your account. You lose, they win, next cattle into the chute, please!

They have 100% control.

This isn't a Greenpeace protest where you can chain yourself to a Redwood tree to prevent the logger from using his chainsaw to cut it down. You can't stop them, and the Terms of Service say quite clearly that they can terminate your account for any reason or no reason.

If you want to "Protest", sell everything, tier down, cash out, and leave. Or stay as a landless Basic account. Then at least you get to reclaim some of the cash you paid into the game.

I can live with that, if that's how it goes down. Just let the ivory towers keep their damn whitewash inside the castle walls.

I think they'd be a lot happier, though, if they had their own grid(s). Let the "bridge" get built out of that intergrid transport project LL keeps fiddling with.

Hey All,

I've spent Friday morning traveling around and speaking to some of you who were kind enough to send me some LM to places that you had questions about. If you have any more - please send them by on a notecard inworld.

I'm going to go back a few pages and start catching up.

Their estimate is 2%-4% of mainland will have to be move to the ghetto.

Again, most of the people in this forum are saying the exact same thing you are "how can you know until you have a definition?"

That and "Are you *high*?!"

We say that one a *lot*.

-V-

If they wish to waste their time looking at every single solitary item that every single builder and scripter creates, instead of fixing their platform, then so be it. They may be able to complete their analysis of the current gear in Asset within 300 years, give or take a decade. That's if we are all nice and stop making stuff.

Welcome back! Er.. Yer previous reply was about 100 pages ago..

It'd be really great to have you comment on what people are quoting Jack Linden as saying.. See /327/48/313677/4.html#post2370276 please. This seems to be very different than what we're hearing from you. No offense but, last time I heard, Jack owned the gteam, concierge and mainland so his words have a fair amount of weight. Dunno what you do for LL, aside from torture us forum dwellers.

This is EXACTLY what I am doing, and I suspect a LOT of other people are doing it too. I'm clinging to my Second Life...but I'm not putting another dime that I don't have to into LL's coffers.

There's an in world protest group, though, *I* Am Adult Content. I've joined, and I urge everyone else who is against this move to join, too. The group is, as far as I know, the only way the word is getting out to the majority of residents who still have no clue as to what LL is planning.

There are already about "2 to 4 percent" of us registered, if you compare the group membership to typical concurrency numbers, and things are just getting started. I know that protesting against LL in world is like the mortals storming Mount Olympus...but it has to be tried. One more way to try and show the Gods that they are crazy.

My guess is that all of the people that have voiced their opinion on this thread will be banned and kicked out of SL. THey have certainly decided that they do not need you.
BT