Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Bored. So I popped over to Pervz to see if the place was still there. Yes indeed. I smile remembering how I and a couple GFs went there to check out the 'Dolcett' Toaster. I laugh again now as we laughed at the time - each of us giving it a go. One of the girls was definitely not into BDSM. She simply rolled her eyes as we took our turns - making jokes at the ghastly scripted chat (no mod).

The reason why we laughed is because...it was not real...in the same way that most funny jokes are not real - they are stories, shadows or mirrors of reality that we can look at without going blind - concepts as distinguished from reality itself. Obviously, none of us would wish to come into contact with a REAL toaster. I doubt anyone could bear the site of such a thing in RL. We laughed and played with it in SL precisely because it was NOT real. It was a joke.

If people can no longer understand the difference between fantasy and reality, between abstract and concrete, between photo and flesh, then we have a serious social problem. To confuse a metaphorical toaster made of prims and particles with a real toaster made of steel and plastic - to confuse an avatar with a flesh and blood human being - is, quite frankly, a sign of mental illness.

prepare to lose money, i think thats all anyone can safely say. Both mainland and private sims are rapidly being devalued, i wouldnt buy land from LL, you could maybe pick up a bargain from someone who is cutting their losses and giving up.

Another excellent example of LL saying they want a productive conversation with us then doing exactly what they planned all along..

In case it got buried about 5 pages back,...

Assumptions:

1. Search is broken.
2. Some people do not care to see anything involving an adult theme.
3. Underage people are gaining access to and using facilities on the main grid.
4. SL as conceived and implemented is an adult's only service.

Solutions:

1. Fix search. Enforce the ToS already in place so that "Mature" terms being used in non-mature searches are punished.

2. Make the new continent PG. Enact a voluntary move for all residents choosing to go there. Initiate a 1:1 land swap for their current land holdings with no tier incurred on either land during the move.

2a. Separate remaining PG parcels/sims attached to mainland and move them en masse and intact to be part of the new PG continent. Replace relocated sims with Linden protected land with a phased in auction over the next 6 months.

2c. Move all welcome area sims to the PG continent and strictly enforce the rules for PG areas. Require age/payment info verification in order to leave the PG continent for all new accounts.

3. Immediately end free/unverified accounts for the SL main grid.

3a. Conceive/enact a new age verification scheme that not only works, but also isn't invasive of data/information that most people are reluctant to provide online let alone a third party, and that also isn't illegal in some countries. Once such a system is in place, begin a phased in requirement that all accounts, not all ready verified, be verified within a given time period or leave SL. Anyone not verified within such a time frame will be suspended and ultimately deleted if failure to comply persists.

3b. Initiate a program allowing anyone with more than one account IE "Alt's" to register them to their primary account at no cost. Allow age/payment verification for the main account to propagate to all "Alt" accounts registered to that main account.

4. Institute an active and ruthless campaign to identify anyone who is underage on the main grid. Immediately delete the account of said individuals and anyone purposefully harboring them. (I personally have reported 2 sets of such individuals and yet the accounts are still active.)

Declaration:
The forced segregation of any segment or part thereof of any population within SL that has not been determined to have broken any rule is unacceptable. SL is an adult community and as such should be treated as such. People should take responsibility for their own actions and LL should take full responsibility for enforcing any and all rules laid out by them that have until this point been largely ignored.

The distinction between Mature and Adult content is nonsensical and not acceptable as by definition there is no such thing.

I personally vow to not agree, not assent and not comply with any rule or guideline that forces one group of individuals to curtail there business, life or experience or to suborn any of their rights to satisfy another when no law, rule or guideline has been broken. I hereby refuse to assist in defining what is or is not adult as it assumes that something is broken with the types of content that needs to be fixed.

Ultimately SL is a make believe community made of multiple parts and multiple personalities. It is not reality, To begin to treat is as such is ludicrous in and of its self. No violence, sex, death or other component to which one may or may not object, portrayed by Avatars can be remotely considered real.

While Linden Labs maintain that they do not wish to merge the main grid with the Teen grid, should such a desire become reality at any future date, implementing the PG continent now as outlined above would create a ready made environment with minimal further work needed to accomplish the goal.

Finally, with the exception of Linden owned land and Linden protected land, there is no such thing as "in public" in SL as all other land is owned by an individual regardless of the use that they may put it to or authorize it to be used for. As such no one has any right whatsoever to complain about anything seen on anyone's land or anything the owner may be doing with or on that land, provided that no rule, no law, and/or no guideline as iterated by LL has been broken.

If "cleaning up" the grid is what is sought as stated, then this is the only sensible way to do it in my opinion. Allowing the ADULT community to police and segregate its self as it see's fit is the only way to not create a bureaucratic and enforcement nightmare for the employees of Linden Labs.

ah yes the ones most people had to abandon.
its not a dialog with LL its a monolog.

No, you are talking about Open Space sims. Homestead's were a solution in response to what people asked for.

No. Homestead sims are openspace sims with a different name and far fewer resources than they had 2 years ago for more money.

i know exactly what homesteads are, we had 9 open sims at one time, another little trick from LL which lasted 10 months. and eventually caused a lot of unhappy people.
i have seen the damage first hand.
people asked for the whole opensim thing to be left alone,LL decided to milk land owners (renters) even more.
but thats not the point. the fact is that LL dont listen to anyone. sincekingdon joined he has made SL a nightmare for anyone who thinks about investing here, around 100 regions per week are abandoned and land is rapidly becoming worthless.

In principle making an entire contintent PG would be ideal. However, the problem with making a new continent PG is that a lot of us own land in OLD continents. Moving is expenive and not easy. If we could be compensated somehow, and if we could get equivalent land in the new contintent (like my waterfront next to Linden water), that would be fine and good.

I have no objection to Mature content and all the x-rated activity anyone could desire, I just don't want it where it bothers my guests (or me). I also don't want to have to move to a flat featureless parcel or someplace I just don't like to avoid it, and I certainly don't want to have to pay for moving.

Anyhow, I certainly don't want my current Sim changed to Mature unless I get equivalent land elsewhere (equivalent in every sense and still PG).

The first one is here:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

Minx who has been posting in this thread was invited to another one and Stroker was apparently there but I haven't seen that transcript.

I used to love this experience, a place to come be ourselves or not. We've set up business or simply places our friends love. Many who have left for various reasons. Now you want us to move. Will you refund the expense of time if you screw up our builds. Will you compensate me for the loss in traffic due to now thousands of invalid LM's. I'm sorry but your business model is morally bankrupt let release a new contenant and lower everyone's land value and now this I personally think it's time if you want these things done you should compensate your customers the one's who pay you.

Mystique, I think your concerns are very valid. There are a minority of people on here who would like to focus on the whole "how to make it work", trying to learn more about just how much impact this will have on businesses and how to communicate effectively with the Lindens on what is needed.

Unfortunately this is getting drowned out in the thread by thousands of posts on completely different topics. It's a shame they can't be split out into different threads, because expecting LL to find the nuggets in this seemingly endless back and forth is almost impossible.

I think perhaps I'm just a heartless person ... but anyone that saw them double the prim count for no charge ... well, nothing in either life is ever free.

It's easy to blame the Lindens for everything ... they are handy and make a lot of mistakes. Maybe I'm also too easy-going ... I keep thinking that they don't have a lot of history to look at for running a world like this. Cutting edge technology - cutting edge mistakes.

Either way, damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Open discussion before they have answers, and they get hammered for not having answers. Wait until they have some, and they get hammered for doing what they want and not listening.

I do think though ... it's their company, and we can all vote with our feet.

As far as I know, - if I am wrong, correct me please (because I had never an OS) -, they made the best out of the open space desaster: for them...

They moved a bit the timeline for the planned price-increase, and lowered the numbers of allowed prims and scripts, I think. To land, somewhere near summer, at a top-price of 125 Dollar = a lose/win/win situation for them.

As ever: customer is the loser. Lab is happy. The customer is ever wrong. They told to the people, that it were the mistake of the OS renters (euphemistic "owner" to use the provided numbers of prims of the former open spaces...

and now they say: "hey, losers, are you crazy? Have you all thought you can have here your world - your imagiantion, hahahaha, no, no, no - you are from now on LG rated":

Linden guided....

Yes. Many of us honestly and truly wish they would STOP making it so easy.

its easy for somebody who is not affected to make a post like this, wait until YOU are affected then we will see...

They WERE in different threads but those all got locked and LL went to a single thread instead.

As for the totally off topic posts, well, it's not like it's not possible to moderate these forums. LL has a governnace team and many, many residents have volunteered to help with moderation. And yet.. very little happens. Does that make you feel more confident or less confident that the adult content stuff will be well-managed?

Oh, I was heavily affected by the Open Space sims issue. I was living on a nice quarter private full sim when the prim upgrade happened, and all my neighbors left for open space sims ... same prims, more space, more privacy. My landlord had to rent to whomever, and eventually you couldn't even log in to the "home" half the time, because it was full.

I lost everything, and had to rebuild. Probably not as large a financial setback as you, but I was a student, and in a wheelchair at the time ... it cost me about every penny I could afford to put in to an online game ... and when you are in a wheelchair and not even sure you will walk again, something like Second Life is very meaningful to you.

But ... thats how life is sometimes. Trust me, I do feel bad for people, but they are taking a risk in a cutting edge arena, and to not expect bad things to happen isn't realistic.

The date this will happen will be the day that server release 1.26 (??) is stable enough to go in. Interestingly unlike the open sim fiasco they haven't released a date when this is likely to be.


on a side note, I'm disturbed that only those in the dev group were invited to drop crumbs in their keyboards while they listened to LL dissemble. I though that group was for scripters rather than content creators or am I thinking of the wrong group?

its very meaningful for all of us, and you dont know mine or anyone elses circumstances.
We all have to cope with what we have got,
including the terminally ill, So please don't feel sorry for yourself, i dont.

I never feel sorry for myself ... especially for things that happen in a game.

Probably not fit topics for this thread at this point ... I hope things work out well for you, as I imagine they will for most.

Wow, very radical. How could we add online armed resistance to this idea? Hmmm, is that an adult idea? Talking like that, I may be the first one rounded up and shipped off. Well, the good news for me is that I am looking forward to meeting all of you adult avatars.
BT

well that the difference, to you its a game, to me its my livelyhood - get it?

im afraid you come across as rather crass, so forgive me if i dont reply to you anymore.

Yes it will be as strict as adult mainland. Thats one of the real pieces of info we have had. Private sims will be required to flag the entire sim as adult or not and the same access restrictions will apply to avatars visiting that land as they would on visiting the adults only continent. That much is definite, what has not been stated clearly is whether this flagging will be on a per-sim basis or a per-estate basis. On this question the only thing we know is it WONT be at the parcel level.

This sounds exactly like the complaint that the XXXers being forced to move have voiced. So, who gets screwed?
BT