Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Both good questions. From what LL has said so far, the land won't be auctioned in the normal way, but exchanged in some way with the businesses who will be forced to move there. HOWEVER, there doesn't seem to be anything in the works to keep someone who obtains land in this fashion from reselling it on the open market...so there will probably still be land speculation going on.

I don't know what they're going to do with all that purple territory on the rest of the mainland. Probably sell THAT to land speculators, too.

Welcome back, Blondin - I would like to make one very polite request to you - could you please give us an update as to where you guys are with your deliberations, please? This silence is causing more panic than the actual actions are taking, because people are assuming the worst.

Please start putting people's minds at ease a bit with what HAS been decided, and maybe what the current thinking as to future timeline is.

Thanks!

Indeed it does! However, I'm sure I could control myself under the circumstances. Well.... *mostly* sure



Quite so.



I thank you for your kind words, dear Lady!

-V-

Quite so. I was merely pointing out that discussion of what "adult" means is *also* appropriate.

-V-

Absolutely correct on all counts. one of the tragedies of all this is that it wouldn't be necessary if only LL would *enforce* the TOS. Another one of the several good suggestions for alternatives to shipping the "deviants" to a gulag.

-V-

But if they do that, they won't have the millions of people to bombard with advertising, and to mine as potential customers.

The people who are already here are a *selling point* for LL. Too bad they are taking steps that will slough off huge amounts of them.

Welcome my friend, to the Machine.

-V-

Since LL has consistently DELIVERED the worst to us, even they've sworn they would not, it is a safe bet that there is no course of action bad enough that LL will not follow it. They have repeatedly made snap decisions and carried them out to the ends of the earth without once questioning if there were better ways to accomplish the goal. In LL's mind, completing the task is the goal - everything else, even fiscal solvency, is secondary. So you can understand that LL's promises that no, they won't ban your poseballs in your own home, is being met with more than a little derision and disbelief.

Re: No gambling ban, followed weeks later by a gambling ban / no banking ban, followed weeks later by a banking ban / selling voidsims as a quarter of a sim for a quarter of the price, followed by predatory price and usage changes.

Nobody knows for sure. the one thing I have seen written by a linden was asking if we thought that a straight-up sq. meter to sq. meter trade was fair.

Other than that, nothing other than adult content would *be* moved to Ursula.

-V-

Thanks for posting these. I haven't been at any of the BB so its nice to read up

stats on payment info gathered over the weekend

from my clothing store (in mature sim and will stay there, nothing naughty)

payment info traffic scanner:
scanned avatars = 49
no payment info on file = 22
payment info on file = 1
payment info used = 26



from my alt's naughty stuff store which will have to move:

payment info traffic scanner:
scanned avatars = 70
no payment info on file = 40
payment info on file = 0
payment info used = 30
70 keys, 46464 bytes free

Can someone please answer these concerns and questions I have submitted previously...

NO ONE SEEMS TO BE LISTENING TO OR REPLYING TO ANY OF OUR QUESTIONS HERE ANY MORE... HELLO ARE THERE ANY LINDENS STILL LISTENING HERE???

We have given lot of answers to their concerns, we have given then reasons why this is not a REAL concern of the community that makes up more than half of their community in SL, and still not one answer to any of my concerns, no answers to any of my questions.

HELLO LINDENS ARE YOU THERE???

Some people have said they want to stage a sit out where no one logs in or buys things... Let me explain something to these people...

1. Lindens do not care if you do not log in if your a paid account or free, that does nothing to them one way or another, they have already received their monthly fee for you logging in if you pay so that is just crazy to think that will effect them one way or another....

2. Not buying or purchasing anything for a full day still again does not effect the lindens at all. The people you are hurting are the ones that sell the items, NOT LL.. please be clear on that.

Now, with that being said and no one listening to our concerns or answering our questions, there is ONLY TWO WAYS TO SPEAK TO LL.....

1. DO NOT PAY THE TIER PAYMENT.... If all of us that they consider to be "Extreme" Adult content, or what ever that means in a place that is meant for ADULTS, did not pay our tier payment, I bet that stupid 4% would show true numbers then. Since the only way to make LL understand is through THEIR POCKETS... Maybe just maybe if they did not get any from us who have been paying for years, they can get them numbers right...

2. Do not pay for your paid account for that month.

I am not saying do this now but in the event that we are all forced to relocate.

Since we do not matter then maybe we need to find another place where we do, I have to get my money that I paid in out of them lol... But lets get real, MONEY is the main issue and loss of that money speaks more than statistics.... I am not saying stop payment now and loose your land, but in the event you are the one that has to be moved... When you have no way of paying them, why should you have to dig into your own pockets to do so... If my vendor rentals and the money that comes in from the club can not pay the tier I AM NOT AND I REPEAT I AM NOT GOING TO REACH INTO MY OWN TO DO SO, I did that in the tune of $1250.00 to purchase the land. Tier payment is $120.00 for me in the area i have in mainland now. Been paying that for 3 years, lets see over three years they have collected $4320.00 in tier payments from my land alone, not to mention the times i had to pay double in a month to resection my land. I am sure you all have paid really nice TIER payments as well for the land in mainland, if you really want to make a statement I would guess this would be the only real way for them to understand the impact if we all are not there...

We have had this land here for 3 years and in all this time LL collected our money it was NEVER a problem, NOW, because some people want to cry and whine and be overly sensitive NOW it is a problem... NO I DO NOT AGREE...

For those people who have a problem maybe they need to find anohter place to go, there is a teen grid, I have never been to it so do not know if there is as much ADULT content or sex there but maybe there they can be happy.

This is unfair practice and for those of us that have been here longer than all these new whiners and complainers, there are options, just read the many post here and see... There is a solution for everything... The answer to move US all to one area is NOT and I will repeat that NOT the answer, not only will it be the end of our businesses but it will also be the END of the MONEY we are able to pay to LL... There has to be fairness in here somewhere, for 1/4th of what I pay for tier now, lol I might even consider moving to economical suicide island, how would you all like to be right next door to your competition? Please be truthful none of you would like it, we have malls and clubs and yes they sell SEXUAL CONTENT, but it has been for over 3 years in my location and sure more in some others...
LL you need to really get a clue here and understand, NONE of us are going to just do this like OOOOH it is ok for you to kill us out, sure we do not need to survive here... AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS... I am still waiting to see someone from there answer them.... You ask for us to give you answers and solutions and we have and yet you ignore us over and over....
Seriously you can not expect us to pay what we been paying when it will not be economically possible... Offer a 1/4the tier payment reduction so for 120.00 a month we would only pay 40.00 a month for the same amount of land and I am sure it can all be possible. Make sure with all the scripts from all of the malls being bunched together in one place is going to be very low lag, do not see how you can do that lol... Make sure to include all those personal homes to seperate us all cause if they are having sex in a personal home it is the worst than someone dancing naked in a club not even located on the ground. It is ignorant to say it is not... I have come up on homes where they were having sex and the things I heard were worst than the emotes coming from dancers in a club. You are going to have to offer something for this, and offer to relocate it all without us moving a thing, update all of our landmarks throughout all the systems, update all of our picks through out the system so everyone can still find us. SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO DO THERE LL NOW DOESN'T IT, offer us free advertising for up to one year so others can find us, we have invested three years of advertising already for where we are now, so basically what i am saying is it is not a simple answer to just say we are moving you here end of story...

To single out adult clubs and content on a ADULT game is just ignorant, who ever came up with the idea, did they consider all the cost and money spent on what we have now and how it got there, I guess when you do not pay for your account it is impossible to think of the money involved in setting up things, let alone the time involved. Seems easiest solution would be offer the new place to the overly sensitive...

Make changes in the search system so they do not cry, give them the option to access a pg version of the search, google has it set to where you have to opt to get mature info, thought we did too. But understand moving us all in one place is not going to solve it, and then what next after what you consider to be extremem adult content in and adult place, (shakes head and rolls eyes) you have to include personal homes where people are having sex too, or how would that be fair, if sex is involved or nudity that is adult, there is no such thing as extreme please sex is sex. This is an adult place.... for Adults...

There is no definite time line though a safe bet would be sometime this summer (American summer / Australian winter). And there will be plenty of advanced messaging about how and when to move.

But of course they will, provided LL doesn't run us all off. You don't need to have a business office in Harlem to put up billboards in the slums.

I think it will be by SIM, not by estate.

Da5id and everyone, which would be preferable?

I agree

To me, doing it by sim is a no-brainer, as it would still allow you to do an entire estate.

In complete honesty, NONE!

And in case you cant find it, buried in the mass as it is;

Assumptions:

1. Search is broken.
2. Some people do not care to see anything involving an adult theme.
3. Underage people are gaining access to and using facilities on the main grid.
4. SL as conceived and implemented is an adult's only service.

Solutions:

1. Fix search. Enforce the ToS already in place so that "Mature" terms being used in non-mature searches are punished.

2. Make the new continent PG. Enact a voluntary move for all residents choosing to go there. Initiate a 1:1 land swap for their current land holdings with no tier incurred on either land during the move.

2a. Separate remaining PG parcels/sims attached to mainland and move them en masse and intact to be part of the new PG continent. Replace relocated sims with Linden protected land with a phased in auction over the next 6 months.

2c. Move all welcome area sims to the PG continent and strictly enforce the rules for PG areas. Require age/payment info verification in order to leave the PG continent for all new accounts.

3. Immediately end free/unverified accounts for the SL main grid.

3a. Conceive/enact a new age verification scheme that not only works, but also isn't invasive of data/information that most people are reluctant to provide online let alone a third party, and that also isn't illegal in some countries. Once such a system is in place, begin a phased in requirement that all accounts, not all ready verified, be verified within a given time period or leave SL. Anyone not verified within such a time frame will be suspended and ultimately deleted if failure to comply persists.

3b. Initiate a program allowing anyone with more than one account IE "Alt's" to register them to their primary account at no cost. Allow age/payment verification for the main account to propagate to all "Alt" accounts registered to that main account.

4. Institute an active and ruthless campaign to identify anyone who is underage on the main grid. Immediately delete the account of said individuals and anyone purposefully harboring them. (I personally have reported 2 sets of such individuals and yet the accounts are still active.)

Declaration:
The forced segregation of any segment or part thereof of any population within SL that has not been determined to have broken any rule is unacceptable. SL is an adult community and as such should be treated as such. People should take responsibility for their own actions and LL should take full responsibility for enforcing any and all rules laid out by them that have until this point been largely ignored.

The distinction between Mature and Adult content is nonsensical and not acceptable as by definition there is no such thing.

I personally vow to not agree, not assent and not comply with any rule or guideline that forces one group of individuals to curtail there business, life or experience or to suborn any of their rights to satisfy another when no law, rule or guideline has been broken. I hereby refuse to assist in defining what is or is not adult as it assumes that something is broken with the types of content that needs to be fixed.

Ultimately SL is a make believe community made of multiple parts and multiple personalities. It is not reality, To begin to treat is as such is ludicrous in and of its self. No violence, sex, death or other component to which one may or may not object, portrayed by Avatars can be remotely considered real.

While Linden Labs maintain that they do not wish to merge the main grid with the Teen grid, should such a desire become reality at any future date, implementing the PG continent now as outlined above would create a ready made environment with minimal further work needed to accomplish the goal.

Finally, with the exception of Linden owned land and Linden protected land, there is no such thing as "in public" in SL as all other land is owned by an individual regardless of the use that they may put it to or authorize it to be used for. As such no one has any right whatsoever to complain about anything seen on anyone's land or anything the owner may be doing with or on that land, provided that no rule, no law, and/or no guideline as iterated by LL has been broken.

If "cleaning up" the grid is what is sought as stated, then this is the only sensible way to do it in my opinion. Allowing the ADULT community to police and segregate its self as it see's fit is the only way to not create a bureaucratic and enforcement nightmare for the employees of Linden Labs.

Parcel!

Finally, a glimmer of conciousness in the lab!

How about leaving everyone alone and putting all the NEW people on the NEW continent, and disallowing anything even slightly risque in the new lands? That would even be safe enough that you could bring the teens in. Not that I'd recommend doing so, but it's THAT much better a plan than this!

Too bad it's not the 1980's. That would have been a compliment

If private islands can be by sim, which would allow people to cam in from PG or M sims, then why can't sims on the mainland be converted to Adult status instead of moving? I thought the point of the move was to deal with the camming problem.

If private islands can be by sim, which would allow people to cam in from PG or M sims, then why can't sims on the mainland be converted to Adult status instead of moving? I thought the point of the move was to deal with the camming problem.
Radical, a compliment, during the Reagan/Bush years?

SVC-205

This.

Plus, to add: In RL, you don't have the ability to mute them, and asking them to "take it to IM" is likely to net you some really weird looks.