Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

LOL! Some ppl's schedules are booked on Monday for a meeting to work out definitions so you reschedule for a Friday. So much for being in your usual rush to keep us informed *rolls eyes*.

BTW, since the meeting was canceled, how about throwing us a bone? I assume there was a draft of what ppl were going to propose or is that classified?

No, I'm not selling or displaying them. I've seen them in-world and I find them to be amusing and funny (I'm strange that way ). They are an item to be found with lucky chairs, usually in a club/mall/store setting. They work exactly like a lucky chair, except they extract a penalty in return for your prize. I see that there are some folks who have them, so I won't bother with a slurl.

The reason I'm asking about them is because they are a good example of something that is at once "extreme" by the prevailing definitions, and at the same time, completely harmless in context.

If we are going to make excuses for context, then *anything* can be justified with enough effort, and definitions becomes meaningless. If something is "adult" in one type of public space, but not another, then that's going to put the whole process in doubt.

So far this seems to be a sort of flying by the seat of our pants operation. We ask if something meets the criteria, which you have said includes "anything overtly sexual" like strip clubs, and then you say "Well, I don't know. let me take a look at it."

That's not a *definition* of "adult". that's *your* sensibilities in operation, what *you* think is the line of "too far".

That you're deciding things on a case-by-case basis frankly scares me a little. It tells me that LL has made a *huge* decision *before* it has the slightest idea what the ramifications are. It means that LL will be just as surprised by the results as the rest of us.

That's no way to run a railroad, Blondin. It feels like we're trying to build a stable foundation on Jell-o

Which is why I'm an advocate of a "PG"-rated "airlock" continent as a solution. It's a *lot* easier to find the line between "mature" and "PG" than it is to find the line between "mature" and "adult"


-V-

There is no line, the line is a lie. Mature = Adult, in ALL cases and at ALL times. To say otherwise is to serve some hidden and nefarious agenda.

Heh, especially since the definitions are supposed to be released at the end of the week. No rush or anything, huh?

-V-

There's an unlucky chair at Maman Louhi's House of Voodoo at http://slurl.com/secondlife/New%20Toulouse/196/158/25/

I'm getting out of the house for now an enjoying some of this fresh air.. before it storms.. bleh.. the humidty {what have ya}.

Good luck with all this Blondin an hopes some resolves can be met today for some or alot of us curious an Overtly Frantic peeps. xD..
Seriously though, everyone have a good day.. an please "Blondin" inform the others that they really should include everyone in this with at least SOME sort of update/ notice,ect...for alot of people inwolrd really have NO clue as to whats going on right now as it is a world of humans, Fur, an what have ya that lurk in the dark corners... Built by the very same, even if we DO look all the same in RL. *peace*

T Key Summary Votes Patch attached Assignee Reporter Pr Status Res Created Updated Linden Lab Issue ID
New Feature SVC-99 3D Permission Zones (Privacy Zones) 48 Unassigned Haravikk Mistral Major Open Open UNRESOLVED 09/Apr/07 30/Oct/08 Unwatch
New Feature SVC-205 Privacy Pocket 36 Unassigned Gigs Taggart Critical Reopened Reopened UNRESOLVED 10/May/07 28/Mar/09 Unwatch
New Feature SVC-1138 Private zones / parcel basements 14 Unassigned Argent Stonecutter Normal Open Open UNRESOLVED 31/Dec/07 17/Nov/08 Unwatch
New Feature SVC-2390 Enable an alternate access controlled "skybox zone" at 3328-4096 meters 23 Unassigned Argent Stonecutter Normal Open Open UNRESOLVED 22/May/08 28/Mar/09 Unwatch


can't be bothered to unformat it.

You sure they were in the right shop? I didn't take part in that one... However, being sidetracked for an hour seems about right, or that's what my customers tell me

Shall I drop you over the latest gift so you can indulge in a little bit of fun while we're waiting for Blondin to come back?

and I'm quite happy to slope of to kinkyville, I suspect there'll be a better class of perves than those who are left behind.

Couldbe: two of those four proposals are mine, and I'm throwing my support over to Gigs Taggart's previous proposal.

oooh can the region I get moved to be called "Sin-cinatti"

Were is the discussion on what words and ads will be filtered?

Parcel.

Even at the sim level, this will force one of three things to happen in my particular circumstance:

1. NPIOFs make up a significant amount of our population here. Sim gets flagged as adult; these people can't get "home", and they leave. Sim owner can't make tier payments, and estate fails.

2. My adopted child-avatar will be forced to become an "orphan" and move out.

3. My adopted child-avatar will be forced to adult-verify, and live as a child on adult-flagged land. It doesn't matter that the human behind that avatar is in her 30's - forcing "children" to become "orphans" or live on adult-flagged land because the entire sim had to go there because of a nudie-club high in the sky...

I'm not in-world at the moment (running a scan )

However, I would be happy to have an example of your wonderful work( /me bows )

Your store is Satiated Desires, yes? Sharing space with another place called "The masters pleasure" I believe?

Perhaps it was the twisted hunt they were referring to - they did that one too.


I Myself would also prefer to live in "kinkyville" rather than "Neverseenatittyburgh". I imagine it will be a lot less difficult to find interesting things to do

However, my chief hope is that There won't be any need for anyone to move who doesn't *wish* to move.

-V-

It will affect unverified accounts and probably tighten up the Include Adult content filter, so it will in fact have a big effect on Search results for Native American products.

Unless those icky stores you don't like decide to move to Adult sims when they have no reason to (and they have no reason to), how exactly is it going to keep those results from showing up in exactly the same place they're showing up now?

Answer: it won't.

Then perhaps it's worthwhile writing it up here so Blondin gets some context and can understand the arguments and the technical issues in english. (/me whispers: I don't think he's gone over to the darkside of geekdom yet)

Done properly everyone who has ever wished for privacy in sl wins. This should be a no brainer.

That is assuming he comes back before Friday of course.

The most offensive is the WITCH-HUNT conducted by these religious intolerance bigots.

We don't need to hear all these intolerant sermons, witchcrafts, cults, brainwashing indoctrination everywhere in SL telling you what you should or should not be doing.

We need to protect our adult-children from real harm caused by these HATE CRIMES.

The privacy pocket works as follows:

* Parcel owner would be able to enable a parcel option that would make from 3328m-4096m (the top 768 meters of the buildable area) on the z-axis private. 768 meters was the original building limit, and should therefore be more than ample for private content.

* Agents not present in the protected region would not receive object or agent information or updates from the protected region. To them it would appear as empty space.

* Chat would also be limited to the pocket, no chat in, and no chat out. It may be desirable for negative channels to pass through the barrier, or (even better) allow llRegionSay() to ignore it.

* The existing "limit access to this parcel" tools could be used as the ACLs for this. An alternative is to create new ACL tools for the pocket specifically. The argument for dedicated tools is that someone might want to have their parcel generally open to the public, yet still have privacy in the pocket.

* Another access control mechanism could be to use the current controls, with an additional flag that determines whether the access controls apply to the ground zone or the skybox zone (integrating SVC2390).

Then I'll just post this and slip in and drop you and the others that certain little something



yes, TMP was a semi failed attempt at differentiating between the pure 'nilla and the kink in the shop. In the end it looks like never the twain shall meet.. (and we won't go into how I've managed to heartily offend some Dommes inworld with my decided lack of gender neutral wording lol)

There's probably a lesson for us all in there somewhere.

I have tried to use the Age verification tool, but it is not working properly for Canadian accounts. In Canada, we have a 6 digit postal code; but the option there only allows for a 5 digit.
Also, in the dropdown menu for selection of a state/province, it only shows selections for different states, and no provinces.

I selected Canada as my country of origin first too, so this is not the problem.
I wanted to use my social insurance number to age verify and not a credit card, however the system seemed bugged for Canadians.

Can the age verification page be fixed to help Canadian residents age verify without actually using credit card info (I do not have a credit card).

Thanks

Been there and done that!

The asstachments thing was 2007 and, thankfully, is not back. The VPN issues are slowly fading away to 2008. Being auto-ported to the nearest PG-rated info hub after your erotic-mature (adult) sim crashes happens today, right now.

I think you are mistaken. If implemented as described, only verified accounts will see Mature Search results. Not just Adult Search results, but Mature Search results will be filtered based on verified accounts and keywords.

[There is no Adult search category, and none has been proposed. There is only Mature and non-Mature. If they are going to filter Search results it will be most likely be filtered into those two categories only.]

Depends on numbers. If simply no one moves and no one changes anything, they cannot ban all peeps. The money printer would stop working...

Best examples for failed control mechanisms, is the former USSR/GDR and the atomized by resistance Berlin Wall.

I would give LL not too much respect. They are no heroes, nor gods. They are just people, with average ideas and average IQs. And in private they have sex too. LOL. Same like the banksters wich are going to abyss now in herds, because they lost control about everything.. LLs ability to control something is limited: they can use the electric power plug, or we can use the anti-control tool wich is called: synchronisation of being dissident.

There is not much work hidden in it. We can just ignore all orders of them and doing all things on the grid like we did before with a total ignorance attitude, complete stoic.

What could be their reaction? Banning thousands of accounts? 100 000? 200 000? 500 000?

This would mean banning money. Too much money. This would mean to declare official bankrupty.

Until today, from all times on, any sort of dictatorship failed dramatically, sooner or later. No exception. Because peoples basic natural needs and rights ARE stronger.

I just saw a follow up on this and found it oddly appropriate to our own debate:

http://blogs.reuters.com/oddly-enough/2009/03/16/lady-can-i-hold-that-for-ya/

Apparently one of the 'hot new trends' in fashion (and I'm taking the guys word for it) is to design dresses which leave one breast exposed.

I just had an odd day. Big companies that I have loved going to their sims, closing. Selling everything and packing. Some condensing many sims to one. Some theme sims closing completely. I got word that a few more sims just gave notice of closing. Doesn't Linden labs see what is happening here? Or are they blinded by what they feel is a right move.

I am talking of long standing businesses that have been around longer then me and I've been here for over 2 years.

When I see bigger places then my own close down it only makes me feel that perhaps I am fighting a losing battle. Can we the little business owners survive this move. The economy in first life is having a rough time staying afloat and is rippling into second life. This may not be a good time to make BIG changes like this. Does Lindens see this?

Are we all just that ostridge with our heads in the sands not wishing to see or wanting to deal with what the economy is around us?

I am all for bettering SL. Accept change and move on, but is this really possible in our times right now? I want to believe this is a good thing and just deal, but damn the strong doubts are there. I wonder if I should be trying to sell what I can salvage now and move on instead of going forward myself. Damn I am worried!!