Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Badger badger Nazi Nazi badger badger Nazi Nazi... the KKK! Oh no, the KKK!

You assume a LOT, don't you?

I still think LL needs to hold their horeses and FIRST tell us what they see as ADULT content and what they see as Mature.. because in my opinion a penis is a penis, you say thats mature (adults?) or adults (.. adults as well? )

It confuses me..
Wé''re all adults on the grid.
Why dont the PG folks stay on the PG sims..
and Mature folks stay on Mature and IF they visit the PG sims they have to adapt their behaviour..

I dont see WHy we need an adult grid ...
Mature is fine too

LL just has to flag the stuff properly, thats all.

Dear Nino Heartsdale,

For some reason, the human race is interested in fantasy conflict.

Here in the U.S., and in many other countries, almost all leisure/entertainment time is focused around fantasy conflict followed by resolution. Generally, the fantasy conflict time period is drawn out much longer than the resolution period.

For example:

Half hour sitcoms present 25 minutes of family/social conflict and then a quick resolution.

Card games have participants playing against each other to see who will win. Even in a completely social situation where it doesn't matter who will win. When do we have four people at a table all playing relaxing solitaire together?

Movies present 2 hours of emotional or physical conflict and then a resolution for about 5 minutes.

Reality shows initially tried to present cooperative activities, but you'll notice most formats have moved to finding participants who will argue with each other.

Sports are all drawn-out displays of conflict followed by resolution.

Even people who physically play sports with friends, still include the conflict. Two best friends playing tennis still tend to "keep score" to see who will "win".

Fiction books give you several hours reading about conflict and then give you a resolution in the final 3-5 pages.

If you have ever watched a sitcom, played a card game or board game, seen a movie, read a story, or participated in a sport or cheered "your team"... you likewise have voluntarily participated in, and probably enjoyed, the bizarre human desire for fantasy conflict.

And yet!

The vast majority of human beings are interested ONLY in fantasy conflict, and do not desire actual conflict, and will take many steps to avoid actual conflict.

In other words, at some point in your life, you watched that sitcom where the family argued for nearly the whole episode, and you laughed, and you enjoyed watching the conflict develop. That doesn't mean that after the show was over, you thought it would be funny and entertaining to go start a fight with your husband.

You played chess with your college roommate and both of you enjoyed it. This doesn't mean that afterward, you were tempted to go get a real horse and ride it roughshod over your roommate until they were dead.

You went to the movie where the aliens came to earth and the people had to band together and do battle after battle against the aliens. You watched all the shooting and the mayhem and the people giving up their lives for the greater good etc etc. But after the movie was over, you didn't sit in your car thinking "wow, I wish aliens would really attack the earth so that I could shoot them!"

You sat in the stands watching the two football teams battle it out to see who would win. Not once did you wish you could watch them actually killing each other.

You read Wuthering Heights, finding it completely enthralling to follow all these twists and turns of daily human agony and ecstasy. That doesn't mean that after you read the book, you wished your life would become just as full of strife just because it would be "interesting".

To summarize,

Human beings are interested in FANTASY CONFLICT and RESOLUTION.

Most human beings are NOT interested in REAL CONFLICT.

Most of the roleplaying going on in SL, whether it's about aggression or sexuality, is based on fantasy conflict, stories, and roles.

This has absolutely nothing to do with our real world leaders' bizarre obsessions with grabbing each others' land and starting wars.

i really have no idea what you are talking about.

But I'm really feeling sad for all those age-verified decent law-abiding real people who bend-over-backward in a compromising position to be f**ked over by LL, just so that LL can let the world know who they are with their identity revealed with a warning label in their profile that they are verified by Linden to be the OFFICIAL PERVERTS, indecent people so dangerous that we need to warned to avoid them if we ever find them in PG land.

Why would anyone age-verify themselves if they don't conduct any indecent act? Aren't they exposing themselves as immoral characters?

But your question doesn't hold water Nino. You're getting dangerously close to a problematic concern about virtual worlds (e.g. fantasy, for some) having a direct correlation to real life.

'Slavery' in the form you reference - that of forced labor, where human beings were (e.g. the colonial slave trade), or are (e.g. human trafficking or bonded labour), treated as the property of others, restricted of freedoms, unable to leave and deprived of, for example, monetary compensation or even their lives - has nothing to do with what I'm assuming you are referencing in SL, that of virtual (sexual) 'slavery' and/or the consensual power exchange contract between a submissive and a dominant using SL as a medium to enjoy it with.

Do you disagree? Is this something that, in your opinion, should be restricted in SL? What sorts of things do *we* need in this world in this day and age, other than what you have described in your earlier post?

argent are you doing this on purpose?

ok its VERY VERY SIMILAR to SL!

The Concept though remains slavery.
And furthermore, I personally know slaves on SL where the slavery extended to their real lives... not just a matter of logging off and going back to your normal "real life".

Define normal and whose tune are you dancing to with your definition of "normal"?

I believe the question is then what is reality?

Second Life is not reality. Thus, laws which govern real world activities do not apply. There is no murder, for nothing in the game is alive so how can it be killed? There is no slavery, for nobody can be forced to do anything they do not wish to do. There is no mutilation, for there is no body at all to carve pieces out of. There is no rape, for with no body on either party and no possible way for anyone to be forced to do anything, how can that happen?

This... is... dots of light... on a video screen.

Nothing more. Period. Finito. EOL. If you see 9 avatars banging 11 farm animals with 20" schlongs, it is still not real. No matter what activity you can name in Second Life, IT IS NOT REAL.

It is not reality and nothing you see is real, has been real, will ever be real. That virtual sheep and that virtual cock have not existed, do not exist, will not exist. If you don't wanna see it (and I don't blame you) or anything else that might disturb you, then go elsewhere or logout. If activity Y isn't something you like, then so be it - stop going to where the guys who are PAYING for the sim DO enjoy it.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that flashing dots on a video screen are real. No video game is real, just as no fictional book is real. And anyone who thinks that real laws need to be used against imaginary characters needs serious mental health, whether they wanna ban the Goreans for involuntary confinement, or have Col. Mustard (ret) arrested for that killing in the parlorroom with the candlestick.

Yes for some it extends into RL. In fact I'm 'domming' (for want of a beter word) one of my pets (SL&RL) in Yahoo right this instant, she's in the toilets at work *consenting* to do what I ask of her. I'm sure you can imagine.

Her and I certainly see no wrong in this, hundreds of thousands of adults practice this lifestyle.. sanely and safely.

I can say to this... there are reasons to verify even without wanting to partake in extreme adult themes.

one of my friends was trying to make a kite. In the end what made the most sense to use to have the rope from the hand to the kite... modified lockmeister scripts. Completely innocent build, but it was the innovation of one of the 'naughty' scripts that allowed him to make his kite.

MLP... often seen in furniture ranging from sex beds to a beach towel where you could do nothing more mature than bathe in the sun only to turn over and start reading a book.

I'm a freak, sometimes I go to the adult places to just see what innovative ideas have occurred. Sex and war, those make innovations. sometimes those innovative ideas can be made into something very pg, sometimes not. But creativity is a wonderful thing. And sometimes just seeing what is out there can inspire creativity in a new vein.

just a few thoughts on that

Yeh, I get that.
Doing what?

Argent looks like this:


Not like this:


Or this:


Or this:


Or any other kind of domesticated plains-ape.

and this is the root of your problem Nino.

fascinating.

Agreed people acting responsibly is always the best option.

A little cooperation is always going to be the ideal

A bit of prim scenery doesnt stop people seeing into another plot in SL due to strange camera action on turning. so you are basically requiring people to take there adult content business up into the air or a fairly long distance from the plot border, the skybox will always work though.

LL decided to segregate content, I am just saying I see why and think it is a good idea, for quite a few reasons, as I have stated previously.

Firstly let me make clear.
I do not think age varification, which seems to be a big problem for most people is required, but can see a way is needed to prevent people who would be offended by adult content accessing it.





No one should get more or less value for money, they can do as they like on their own plots in private, but should not expose people who are going to get upset, to adult content or actions in public areas other than in an adult zone.
A business wishing to trade in adult content can move to an adult area and pay exactly the same tier.

People who don't wish to see lots of extreme content but still wish to have their own stash in private, stay in mature zone and people who are likely to be offended by any form of adult content move to a PG area, where they will never come across it.

Segregation in SL is not true segregation it should really be called content seperation as people can still interact through IM even when in different continents TP to each other if they wish but must first be aware, that they may come accross differing types of content.

Content seperation Will mean most people will spend most of their time in the type of zone they feel most comfortable in, with the type of content they feel most cormfortable with.

It doesn't have to mean total segregation from any other zone.

YEP

A normal is a vector perpendicular to a plane (or a surface approximated by a plane, or a surface of projection that approximates a plane).

Because it allows me to go to the sims where creative people with more than one digit IQs and the ability to know Real from Fantasy hang out.

rofl reminds me of my college days

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