Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

So If I understand this mess correctly
Adult only land will only be accesable if you have a paid account?
That leaves free account holders on the cute little PG sims?

Or is that's listed above completely wrong?

That would be true if "adult verification" was a checkbox "I am over 18" in preferences or on the signup page.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

If I am the source of that oft-quoted and admittedly arbitrary, absurd and altogether meaningless "30%", let me take a stab at explaining where it came from.

At last year's SXSW, Peter Ludlow, gave a presentation pointing out the various unseemly bits of the Second Life economy. In it he discussed not only adult activities, but also griefers, and a variety of non-adult activities. As the token Linden in attendance, I was asked what percentage of the Second Life economy was "naughty" (isn't this beginning to sound a bit like a Monty Python skit?)

I think what I said was something to the effect of "Naughty isn't something that you can do an SQL query against" and then went on to say that there's a healthy amount of it, just as in every promising early medium, the net included.

Hamlet, I have to admit that I think your argument is a little lame. Let's face it, there's adult content in SL. Does it matter what percentage it is? I guess I'm often struck by how rarely I encounter it, but I think that sort of reinforces the point we often make to clients concerned about their brands in an environment with adult content. We simply ask whether theyhave offices in New York City (they do) and ask whether their customers gt confused because New York is also home to adult clubs (they're not).

Here's a better question for everyone: How much of First Life is sex-related?

Posted by: reuben steiger | Friday, February 09, 2007 at 01:58 AM

Can I suggest self isolation?

If this is about "A" people who do "A" things, but don't like "B" people who do "B" things, who don't like "A" people.... A wall will never be enough for either group of people.

hahahahahahaha - that is just too funny Bambi!!!! rofl

So If I understand this mess correctly
Adult only land will only be accesable if you have a paid account?
That leaves free account holders on the cute little PG sims?

Or is thats listed above completely wrong?

Adult sims, of which we are told will only be 2-4% (most believe it will be slightly more), will only be accessable to paid and/or age verified accounts. Age verification, while it does seem to need some programming work, seems to be a free service.

If I could respectfully suggest a small modification to what you posted - as I posted several posts ago, I believe that you just need "Payment Info on File" to be able to access adult content - that doesn't mean you have to have spent any money in SL at all, just that you have given them payment information (PayPal or Credit Card).

The rest of what you wrote appears on the money, based on my understanding of things.

READ THIS.

See this is a debate that has been raging since computer games began. Are they an instruction book on nefarious behavior, are they an outlet that keeps people who are on the the edge from going all the way over, or are they mindless fun on the level of watching fireworks on a holiday? If you have seen a definative study that is endorsed by all sides of the debate, please share it.
Patasha

I believe that not only should some guidelines be enforced around adult content, but Linden Labs should take a deep, hard look at what is going on in SL, and take more effective action.

<MUch villification snipped>

Ask yourselves... exactly what is YOUR contribution towards the greater good of humanity?

Goreans was an example, I cannot say I bump into them as such and if I did I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I have come accross porno photos which deter me from buying land nearby, not because I am a prude, but because looking at the same tacky photos everytime I log in would do my head in, for the same matter looking at cr*p brightly colored boxes does my head in.

This was where the content filter option interests me, everyone could have their world the exact way they want it with anything that they don't like the look of filtered out.
Just filtering adult flagged content would not really interest me as I don't dislike adult content particularly.

I can however see that others are upset by it.

Since the Police and the government wouldn't have been able to help them throw a business out of a place it at legally set up in, and since IRL, the law actually *enforces* stuff like Zoning, contracts, and laws, The example isn't exactly what you'd call "apt". Us telling LL what we *want* them to do, isn't the same at all. LL has absolutely no obligation to listen to a thing we say, and can do with us as it pleases, up to and including, turning the entire grid "g" rated tomorrow.

And because the TOS says they can do pretty much whatever they like, whenever they like, to whomever they like, We are helpless to object. Our only *real* choice is whether or not to continue buying their product.

I hate to put it that way, but the facts are Hard, and there's really no way of getting around that, or prettying it up.

As the prez put it, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

-V-

That is incorrect.

Segregating PG, mature and adult is not preventing you from experiencing your fantasy.
It is just taking it out of peoples faces that don't want to see it.

Hell, Patasha, this debate has been raging since the very first attempts at representative Art. I'm sure that Zog the caveman started a citizen's group to protest the obscene stick-figure Bison paintings, and the leaders decided that they could only be painted in caves, to keep from warping the minds of the *children*!

Even Nazi Hitler did not force adult businesses into their concentration camp.

That would be true if "adult verification" was a checkbox "I am over 18" in preferences or on the signup page.

i checked out Openlife.... If you havent tried it yet, im not sure if its worth it. It seems to me that its a new SL. everything is set up EXACTLY like SL. the tabs and buttons are exactly the same, you even start off looking like Ruth. this says to me that it is made by LL under a cover company. or else LL would be suing them for copyright infringment.
There are about 20 sims, no stores, and nothing to do...cant buy clothes or avs or anything else. AND i didnt have to say i was 18+ to join.....which tells me there will be a LOT of teens there.

Drake

Thank you for letting the world know that since you are age-verified, you have intended, visited, and engaged in these immoral, perverted conducts that LL deemed sanctioned by all others as obscene and unsightly to the public.

Now, we know who these immoral characters are in SL.

Thank you for letting me know so I will keep my children save from you.

I will instruct my children to mute you and filter you from their searches because I cannot tolerate the thought of exposing my children to your immoral activities as defined by Linden Lab.

Thank you Linden Lab for doing your job to keep me and my children safe from all the harms that you and all other age-verified individuals might have caused.

Linden Lab, will you publish the list of real identity of these individuals too because if these people are engaging in these perverted, immoral activities in SL, we are afraid they will do the same in the real world? We need to keep these predators from causing real harm to our children.

I agree perhaps it becomes arguable but i can honestly say that i do not know of anyone hurt by games played in SL although i accept that there are those that are possibly emotionally unstable (and i use that as a broad statement) and needy and cannot separate the reality from the fantasy here. These people should be looking at themselves and perhaps seeking treatment and guidance for their problems and shouldn't have been in SL in the first place. Certainly we will have differing views on this subject as i have always taken responsibility for my own actions and i will look at the impact on actions that i may take and how they will reflect on others around me. I wish though more people would both here and RL.

you have to be 16 for mainland, 18 for private estates i believe, as far as i know its in the smallprint that you agree to.
the code for SL went OPen Source last year sometime and there are several grids on the net now, they look like SL because they are basicly SL without the creeping censorship, you can export from SL into openlife any full perms items you have in SL.
openlife at least for me is the likeliest winner and its not based in the USA so a lot of things like gambling will be allowed, whether you agree with gambling or not i think openlife will offer more freedom, and choice is a good thing when opposed to no choice.


Second Life. Their world, no imagination.

Respectfully, it is completely wrong.

Adult sims, of which we are told will only be 2-4% (most believe it will be slightly more), will only be accessable to paid and/or age verified accounts. Age verification, while it does seem to need some programming work, seems to be a free service.

All others, will have access to both PG and Mature sims, which will be the overwhelming majority of Second Life. It should also be noted that a combined PG and Mature area, is not an area fit to merge with the teen grid. That is just one of many scare tactics being used on this board to cause drama.

By moving "2%-4% of content"?

You mean like it is now?

that doesn't stop you from having a conflict with someone next door who doesn't want to see you engaging in your particular fantasy.