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Neptune Shelman
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03-31-2009 08:31
From: Legend Renfold
All the people that want to dictate to others how a GAME is played, get ot of the game if you dont like it.


They obviously like the game or they wouldnt be playing it.
They don't want to dictate to you how you play the game, they want to dictate where you play the game.
At the moment you can take a Kajira into my sandbox for instance and parade her around, in that instance you are dictating what other users see.

You probably wouldn't you are no doubt responsible enough to not do that, but you can also guarantee there will be people who will not act so responsibly.
Personally I am not offended by the idea of that, but you have to agree some people would be offended.

This is why new rules are required, whether we like them or not.
Proxima Saenz
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03-31-2009 08:32
So If I understand this mess correctly
Adult only land will only be accesable if you have a paid account?
That leaves free account holders on the cute little PG sims?

Or is thats listed above completely wrong?
Argent Stonecutter
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03-31-2009 08:34
From: Mystique Chambers
Anyone that is not in human form but in animal form is also ask to leave (due to Bestiality laws)
What about elves, Klingons, or Gallifreyans?
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Bambi Newall
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03-31-2009 08:41
From: Viciously Llewellyn
I must have misses the part where this was caused by religious people. Odd, I've read all the posts, and listened to the meetings ... that seems to have passed be by. ;-)

Just read on... ditto discussion above about cults.

Why was explicit religious language not referenced anywhere? It is filtered and censored.

Self-censorship is the worst of all evils. People are imprisoning themselves.

That is why LL (and this insane American culture) is so HYPOCRITICAL.
Milla Janick
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03-31-2009 08:41
From: Proxima Saenz
So If I understand this mess correctly
Adult only land will only be accesable if you have a paid account?
That leaves free account holders on the cute little PG sims?

Or is thats listed above completely wrong?

What I take from it is, you will need to be verified in some way to access "Adult" content, but not PG or Mature. They're saying verification can include having payment information on file. It doesn't require a premium account, or to actually pay anything.

Of course, this kinda depends on how LL defines "Adult" and "Mature" which hasn't been done to anyone's satisfaction (although I might have missed it 300 posts back?).
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Neptune Shelman
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03-31-2009 08:42
From: Milla Janick
Nothing about this policy addresses the issue of PG regions neighboring Mature regions.

Several people have suggested viewer options to deal with this issue. It displaces no one, and gives individual users control over the content they choose to experience.


I think all the regions should be segregated PG mature and adult, I am just stating my point of view, not commenting on the policy as it stands now.

I also think mature should be quite broad allowing for most adult content and adult being only the very extreme.

Ie Gor, BDSM role play areas remain mature, no need for segregation but role play of that nature stays with the confines of the Sims, as per one of my previous posts a role play sim could in effect become a private area only entered by people who wish to role play in that way, peopel who have been informed of what to expect, in a Gorean City for example.


I would like to see some sort of veiwer option where by I could filter out lots of content of a non adult nature, but would this not be more difficult for LL to implement?
Ryanna Enfield
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03-31-2009 08:43
From: Neptune Shelman
They obviously like the game or they wouldnt be playing it.
They don't want to dictate to you how you play the game, they want to dictate where you play the game.
At the moment you can take a Kajira into my sandbox for instance and parade her around, in that instance you are dictating what other users see.

You probably wouldn't you are no doubt responsible enough to not do that, but you can also guarantee there will be people who will not act so responsibly.

This sis why new rules are required, whether we like them or not.


And after they put these changes in place, someone with a Kajira can still come to your sandbox and parade them around, or they can go to a shopping mall you happen to be in.

Someone wearing bright pink booty shorts and a low-cut neon yellow shirt can also enter your sandbox and parade around, or they can parade around in the same shopping mall you are in.

It is all a matter of perspective. There is nothing in these changes that will ensure Kajiras, or slaves on leashes or hot pink booty short wearing people will be out of your view. You have a mute button and a TP. You can ban them from your land. Use these tools already in place.
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Mystique Chambers
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03-31-2009 08:44
Human form, sure. As for anything beyond elves you asked about.. I wouldn't have a clue what they are. But if you came into my place as a four legged creature, a horse, fox, cat, dog, lion..you would be asked to leave. Its a human form theme place. No talking animals. I am not putting them down if thats what they want to do. It just doesn't fit the theme. I would not go to a Vamp place with an avatar of a little piglet from sesame street out of respect. Nor would I walk into a gor sims in an transformer avatar. I wouldn't go to a BDSM club and start reciting bible versus and try to do an exorcism either. I feel everyone has a place, no one is wrong over their fetish of the day. I can respect what you find as your likes or desires, fantasies. I simply ask the same.
Bambi Newall
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03-31-2009 08:47
From: Proxima Saenz
So If I understand this mess correctly
Adult only land will only be accesable if you have a paid account?
That leaves free account holders on the cute little PG sims?

Or is thats listed above completely wrong?

Absolutely correct.

PG land is where all the unverifiable, unidentified alts child molesters will congregate
Legend Renfold
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03-31-2009 08:47
From: Nino Heartsdale
However, I am a player of the game as well, and as such am entitled to voice my opinions as much as anyone else.


Always. That is the point of everyone here. To view and play and enjoy their part of the game.
Wynochee LeShelle
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03-31-2009 08:48
From: Mystique Chambers
Anyone that is not in human form but in animal form is also ask to leave (due to Bestiality laws)


But what is with animals in human form, called homo sapiens?
Skatoulaki Nakamori
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03-31-2009 08:48
From: Valerius Constantine
You know- one way to get improved performance is to have a *lot* fewer people on the mainland grid- Could this whole thing be- at heart, a lag-concentrating manuver?

-V-

By moving "2%-4% of content"?
Nino Heartsdale
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03-31-2009 08:51
From: Bambi Newall
That is exactly what makes LL insane.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

What one sees as art is pornographic to others.

What one sees as cult is atheist to others.

Wait... does LL CEO's name, Mark Kingdom, imply that he is the King? Does own the entire world because he is the Kingdom?

I search for Kingdom of God, but what I got is Mark Kingdom. Oh My God! Is he God?


hahahahahahaha - that is just too funny Bambi!!!! rofl
Milla Janick
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03-31-2009 08:52
From: Neptune Shelman
I would like to see some sort of veiwer option where by I could filter out lots of content of a non adult nature, but would this not be more difficult for LL to implement?

My suggestion was a viewer option to control access to Mature & Adult parcels. Without activating it, you can't walk, fly or teleport into them.

I don't know about filtering out content of a non-adult nature. Seems like a pretty low demand item.

As for Goreans dragging slaves (is that what a kajira is, I'm not hip to Gor lingo) around and such, I dunno, how big a problem is that? Either I'm not seeing them or I'm not paying much attention to them. There actually is some crap in SL I find offensive, but I tend to just ignore it. Maybe I have a higher threshold than most people for being offended and tolerating weird crap.
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Nino Heartsdale
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03-31-2009 08:54
From: Lindal Kidd
..... But no forced moves. Don't impose YOUR views of morality on ME. Thanks.


I have no wish to impose my views on you Lindal, but equally, I am entitled as much as anyone else here, to air mine... and that is all I was doing! :)
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03-31-2009 08:55
From: Nino Heartsdale
The Fritzl example was just to illustrate that as long as we keep certain concepts alive, we will continue to create and experience them.... it does not matter which medium we keep them alive in.

It's not an 'idea' that is to blame. The thought of killing ideas we find unsavory is quite the opposite of what civil society needs. Seriously, do you want all women to go around wearing abaya's because their exposed flesh could cause men to have undesirable thoughts? Even Mohammad said the most effect veil is a mans eyes... meaning, look away.

The more we repress healthy desires, the more they will come out in the most unhealthy ways. SL is geared towards 18 and over, in most all societies when someone reaches that age they are accountable for themselves. An age where society says, you are expected now to take responsibility for your actions. If someone as a responsible adult wishes have their hiney flogged with a riding crop, real or virtual, who are you to say that is not allowable?


From: Nino Heartsdale
As for mindless fun - I believe SL is much more than that. It certainly is not mindless and its potential to affect people across all areas of their lives is enormous.
For you. But why should your ideas of what SL should be, be the only thing it can be. What about the girl at MIT who spends 100 hours a week focusing all her efforts on the Media Lab there, shouldn't she be allowed to jump into SL and do a little virtual parachuting or cruising IOL for some stressfree nakie dancing if she wants? Looks at the home page again. LL advertises this as Your World, Your Imagination. They say that to everyone who wants to join. Is your imagination more important that someone elses?


From: Nino Heartsdale
So where do we draw the imaginary line between reality and fantasy in this instance?
It's up to the individual. Once again "Your World, Your Imagination" If you want to do boinky fun stuff with someone in here, it's between your and your partner how much is 'game' and how much is 'real'. It's not my call, any more than it's your call if I want my cartoon character to dance around the screen nude while a dominatrix tells me to quote Derrida in an appropriate area.

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03-31-2009 08:56
From: Mystique Chambers
Human form, sure. As for anything beyond elves you asked about.. I wouldn't have a clue what they are.
Star Trek and Doctor Who alien species.

From: someone
But if you came into my place as a four legged creature, a horse, fox, cat, dog, lion...
What about a two-legged horse, fox, cat, dog, or lion?
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Wynochee LeShelle
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03-31-2009 08:58
From: Mystique Chambers
I wouldn't go to a BDSM club and start reciting bible versus and try to do an exorcism either.


I agree with you! But a little devil on my shoulder thinks: that would be fun ;-) But I cannot do this, I would change into dust immediatly as a vampire, if I touch a bible and the club-owner would have to vacuum the mess away. So, I stay polite and do now my evenings polish on my fangs in peace. *bling*
Proxima Saenz
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03-31-2009 09:00
From: Bambi Newall
Absolutely correct.

PG land is where all the unverifiable, unidentified alts child molesters will congregate



That is very stupid, isnt it?
Somebody who is in SL to abuse children (dont know the english word for it)
Now KNOWS where to look --> PG sims.
Because the children among us will be locked up there (since they , of course, cant verify themselves).
Neptune Shelman
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03-31-2009 09:00
From: Lindal Kidd


It's every bit as unfair of you and Nany and Nino to impose YOUR restrictions as it is for some degenerate perv to impose on YOU. Why should those people who enjoy adult activites be the ones who must relocate? If we make decisions on what *I* like to see, quite a few of my PG and M neighbors would get walking papers...I really dislike ugly builds, and sex or the lack thereof has little to do with it.

I think the proposal to set up BOTH a PG and an Adult continent, and allow those who wish to swap their existing land for new land zoned with their preference has a lot of merit. It still dumps land into a depressed market, but at least it lets the free market decide.



Agreed ugly builds are the major pain for me to, far more than adult content.

I like the idea of PG and adult continents seperated from existing mature, with the allowance of swapping to the new continents.
Make all existing mainland mature possibly as I would assume the market will go for centre, as long as the restrictions are not to draconian.

It would dump more land into an already depressed market but in time the market will recover eventually.
In the mean time getting started on the mainland would be more affordable for new users.
Milla Janick
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03-31-2009 09:08
From: Proxima Saenz
That is very stupid, isnt it?
Somebody who is in SL to abuse children (dont know the english word for it)
Now KNOWS where to look --> PG sims.
Because the children among us will be locked up there (since they , of course, cant verify themselves).

That's not what the blog entry says.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

SL does not attract a lot of child abusers for the reason children aren't allowed to register for SL. They won't be looking for them in PG sims any more than they are now.
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Bambi Newall
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Be warn of immoral charcters
03-31-2009 09:09
From: Lord Sullivan
I will say this again, I am European, british ex pat in Holland, both me and my wife who is Dutch age verified when it started and again last week when we verified the alts using our respective country's passports without any problems, apart from my address details which i had to use my old UK one as my passport address hasn't changed yet until i renew it in a few years time.

Now i understand it doesn't work for everyone but please don't say it doesn't work for anyone as clearly it does :)

Thank you for letting the world know that since you are age-verified, you have intended, visited, and engaged in these immoral, perverted conducts that LL deemed sanctioned by all others as obscene and unsightly to the public.

Now, we know who these immoral characters are in SL.

Thank you for letting me know so I will keep my children save from you.

I will instruct my children to mute you and filter you from their searches because I cannot tolerate the thought of exposing my children to your immoral activities as defined by Linden Lab.

Thank you Linden Lab for doing your job to keep me and my children safe from all the harms that you and all other age-verified individuals might have caused.

Linden Lab, will you publish the list of real identity of these individuals too because if these people are engaging in these perverted, immoral activities in SL, we are afraid they will do the same in the real world? We need to keep these predators from causing real harm to our children.
Wynochee LeShelle
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03-31-2009 09:09
From: Argent Stonecutter
What about a two-legged horse, fox, cat, dog, or lion?


Or a one-legged flamingo, or these small no-leggs insects (lack of english) - ...but when she is on the way to ban it...with bad luck popps one second before a butterfly up...out of this no-leg thing... and who, with a heart, could be so cold to ban a sweet fresh born butterfly?

complex world...

Really.

Once I saw a horse throwing up - exact in front of the pharmacy - but this is another story.
Neptune Shelman
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03-31-2009 09:11
From: Milla Janick
My suggestion was a viewer option to control access to Mature & Adult parcels. Without activating it, you can't walk, fly or teleport into them.

I don't know about filtering out content of a non-adult nature. Seems like a pretty low demand item.

As for Goreans dragging slaves (is that what a kajira is, I'm not hip to Gor lingo) around and such, I dunno, how big a problem is that? Either I'm not seeing them or I'm not paying much attention to them. There actually is some crap in SL I find offensive, but I tend to just ignore it. Maybe I have a higher threshold than most people for being offended and tolerating weird crap.


Goreans was an example, I cannot say I bump into them as such and if I did I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I have come accross porno photos which deter me from buying land nearby, not because I am a prude, but because looking at the same tacky photos everytime I log in would do my head in, for the same matter looking at cr*p brightly colored boxes does my head in.

This was where the content filter option interests me, everyone could have their world the exact way they want it with anything that they don't like the look of filtered out.
Just filtering adult flagged content would not really interest me as I don't dislike adult content particularly.

I can however see that others are upset by it.
Ryanna Enfield
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03-31-2009 09:18
From: Neptune Shelman
This was where the content filter option interests me, everyone could have their world the exact way they want it with anything that they don't like the look of filtered out.



Can I suggest self isolation?

If this is about "A" people who do "A" things, but don't like "B" people who do "B" things, who don't like "A" people.... A wall will never be enough for either group of people.
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