Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I have not banned people from acting as master, mistress or slave from the sandbox because I doubt anyone would come to the sandbox acting that way and I havent got the time to sit around watching for them if they did, besides the fact I don't actually care if they do, unless someone else is actually offended by them, the Kajira thing is an example not something that has happened or I expect to happen in particular.

Having said that, the sandbox is for all users, whatever they choose to be or however they choose to live in SL, but they should respect the views of each other.
A puritan user is likely to get upset seeing a slave and master/mistress in the sandbox, the puritan user if they keep their mouths shut and don't abuse the sub/dom couple are the ones who have been affected adversly and I would expect out of common decency the sub dom couple would not continue to act in any way the puritan found offensive if asked politely to refrain from their activities.

The sandbox is an example, it could be one of the shops it really doesn't matter, there is nothing I can do to stop them, or anything I want to do to stop people visiting and acting in a particular way, the problem with adult actions or content is not something that affects me.
I can see though that people are going to be bothered by it and can understand they wish to be protected from coming accross it.

Segregating content and activity in public areas will not prevent a puritan being offended you are right, but it at least makes it less likely they will see any thing they might find offensive and gives them a course of action they can follow if their polite request falls on deaf ears.

Obiously frivilous AR culture needs to be actioned against also to prevent some sort of AR greifing taking place aswell, by crackpot intolerants, who would be offended by a girl wearing hot booty shorts and a low cut top in a mature area.

This is why I not only agree with segregating extreme adult content but feel PG should be segregated aswell.

perhaps we can have a mass book burning also Nino, and dvd's and rap and anything else you find immoral or offensive.

What have you done for humanity lately?

Uh-uh. That's copyright violation if you're not the creator and the creator hasn't explicitly granted you that right. When someone creates something in SL, they grant Linden Lab a non-exclusive right to use it in the Second Life service. The permissions system in SL is subsidiary to that.

I'm listening to the brown bag audio file from 25th, public access seems to suggest that if you list your home in show in search places you'll be considered public. I hope this gets clarified because that's not a good idea at all.

Then stay in SL with your loot. your choice. but there will be the same or similar items in the other grids.
You may have to give up some of them if you move. i'd rather be dressed in rags and free personally.

Absoolutely.

SL is big enough for people of all viewpoints. I am all for making the place a better one for everyone...for example, I was elated when the "bank" scammers got their walking papers.

Will Rogers once said, "Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." I've always tried to respect that, and I have a Real Hard Time with people who don't...those who want to impose their own world view on everyone else.

Which is (in my view) what is happening here. LL is imposing their version of morality on what (they think) is a minority within SL to please (we widely speculate) some perceived desires on the part of (some of) their current customers and (maybe) a bunch of potential customers.

The scheme is unfair, and as many have pointed out, unworkable and doomed to be ineffective in achieving LL's stated (and unstated) goals.

We residents have proposed in these threads several MUCH better alternatives. Ones which respect the viewpoints and the needs of all the residents, not just some of them.

I'm not in the Adult Content business, and while I do engage in adult activities in SL, it's not by any means the ONLY thing I do. So being a sex-crazed wanton is NOT the reason I am so adamantly opposed to LL's new policies. I am opposed because it is unfair. Because it reduces choice, and freedom. Because it stifles creativity. Because it is an attempt to impose some of the worst aspects of our so-called "Real Life" onto this fresh, new virtual one.

In case you're wondering: By "worst aspects" I mean hatred, intolerance, and prudishness. I mean the attitude that says sex is something dirty, something that should be hidden away in shame. I mean the attitude that says, "I know what's best for everyone."

There are worse things than "adult content" in human nature...and this new policy has them right at its core.

Um, Bambi, they can already do that.

its a fact, and im not here to argue legalities, this of course includes your own creations too.

Well, the comparison to concentration camps is a little over the top but that was largely the point I was making. LL has all the power in this situation, and the only *power* we have is to decide whether to keep playing or not.

-V-

I find it neither immoral or offensive Dogboat. I am merely questioning whether concepts like slavery are what we need in this world in this day and age.

If you find that offensive, then perhaps men like Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Gandhi all fought against these concepts for no good reason.... more fools them!

As for what I have done for humanity lately? You have no idea... and you will not either, as I do not need to justify myself to you or seek your approval or validation.

Off to pornotopia with her! I saw butt cheek and side-titty!


-V-

Not until Uchi Desmoulins, Whinge Dagger, Toki Cure, Racush Cheeky, and the other avatar makers decide to set up shop there.
Then you should be happy in MUDs and Mucks. I've been Argent in text-based virtual worlds for over 20 years now, but Second Life is the only one that lets me be Argent in 3d... NOT excluding OpenSim.

Your own creations are fine... the Terms of Service grant Linden Labs a NON-EXCLUSIVE license.

But if you happen to have a full perm texture in SL, and you copy it into OpenLife without the creator's permission, you're doing the same thing as the people who ripped textures and meshes from games and uploaded them into SL.

I think that maybe she's pointing out the dangers of having payment info on file with people who equate that with the desire to pursue "extreme sex and violence".

And if there's a RL crime, and they find SL on the computer or *either* victim or perpetrator, How long is it gonna take for the authorities to subpoena those records?

To make a little list or "possible suspects"?

Or say there's a terrorist attack, and one of them leaves enough of a laptop with SL on it.

Here comes the government, putting you on a "no-fly" list because you were in the same lucky chair group as a suicide bomber.


It's really not that far-fetched, you know.

-V-

you asked in an earlier post what have we done for humanity?
i am merely returning the question to you.
i will wait for your name to join the ranks of the good people you mentioned, i feel i will be waiting a long time, in fact i find your assertion most offensive that you appear to think you have some connection with them.

it isn't slavery when you can log out at any time, its roleplay, thats the big point you are missing.

This is like the road on the way to the Olympics ... Bambi gets pages 300 to 320 to hold the torch of disinformation, scare tactics and drama.

On the positive side, it did take 300+ pages for someone to mention Nazis.

i was stating a fact to illustrate that openlife was the same as SL.
chill.

Yes I am intolerant of certain things, some people are very intolerant, far more than I am, and some are very tolerant and fair play to them.
Most people though, if not all, are intolerant of something, however long it takes before their back gets put up there is normally something you can find that p*sses people off, if you try hard enough.

For me as far as SL is concerned, it is stuff I don't like to see, which happens to be anything I dislike the look of, yes this is intolerance I accept.
I assume most people feel exactly the same way though.
Seeing as protected land sells for far more than non protected, the only difference I can see is you guarantee yourself at least one open view without cr*p you don't want to see.

JUst backing up Neptune's original point- That age verification alone doesn't keep someone on a PG sim from Seeing "mature" or "adult" behavior next door if the sime is flagged for that stuff.

Of course, where Neptune seems to want "segregation", I just want "communication" and maybe "courtesy"

But I have to agree that simple age verification doesn't solve any more conflicts than "You must be 18+ to sign up for secondlife!"

-V-

Oh! and Mel Torme!

-V-

The problem is:

Corporate sponsor like IBM is afraid of their employees may go to the peep show during their lunch meeting break in SL, but failed to realize that their employee would simply pull out their fictive dick to their boss at their business meeting in SL, shove it down their throat and walk away. That is reality.

What a joke to conduct a corporate meeting in SL just so that you can play the roleplaying game with your boss. That is f**king with their head.

Sorry, but no- happened *way* back, and I'm not going back to check where

-V-

It is not ideas that I am talking about killing. But I would like to question if you think that something like slavery is a valid CONCEPT. What about racism? Is that acceptable? Is it OK to play "just harmless little games" about slaves and black people?

As a matter of fact I am deeply opposed to women wearing burkhas/hijabs/ahaya's and believe me, I know more than most women on SL about that particular subject. That is precisely the EFFECT of concepts such as male dominance being propagated through the centuries.

I am not talking about repressing "healthy" desires. The question is what is healthy? I am not even advocating stopping someone have themselves slapped around - if that is what they consider "healthy". I am not taking a moral stance on this issue... I don't particularly care what people do. I have no problems if someone wishes to prance around naked and expose their bodies to all and sundry - be in RL or SL.

But some things are worth standing up for... slavery, racism, sexism being some of them.

Ofcourse it is every individuals right to choose, as it is my right to stand up and take the extremely unpopular stance, as in this instance.

An interesting philosophical argument. However, taken to its logical conclusion you are claiming say Agatha Christie perpetuated the concept of murder and even condoned it by writing her novels, which seems an extreme stance. Any historian writing about the slave trade is by their very action keeping the concept of slavery alive and in the human consciousness, but I wouldn't argue that the historian is condoning slavery by that action.

I don't believe that even if we forbode any artist, historian, media from refering to a particular concept that any of these concepts would die - these concepts are found in nature (you will see dominance, submission, violence, murder, death etc. in the animal kingdom). If they were removed from the human consciousness, they would just resurface. The fact that these concepts are kept alive in various media means that we can see and understand the consequences of those concepts without having to enact them in RL. Keeping them alive in the human consciousness but within the imagination (via fiction, fantasy, reconstruction etc.) is actually an essential to maintain our humanity and control over these concepts.




Whenver people interact with other people there is the potential to get involved, hurt, damaged, etc. That is just life. The key here is to realise that unlike a computer game the avatars you encounter are not driven by a mindless emotionless computer AI, but by a real person like yourself. That is the core mistake that people new to SL can make...

Matthew

But it's NOT the same as SL.