Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I'm not hiding my head in the sand. I'm standing up for what I feel is right and not caving in,... it's lonely up here too,...

With the new rule, anyone can use some throwaway accounts, go to your club or shop, throw a wild orgy party, or do any perverted thing, and bam, you are in deep creek, and your club or shop would be deleted forever.

But your searches weren't mature. You were getting those results in NON-MATURE search results. None of those parcels were even tagged "mature", let alone "adult". It doesn't MATTER what filters they put on keywords that you're allowed to search on, or keywords you're allowed to put in search, because those were ALL results from people who were ALREADY failing to tag/flag or otherwise mark their content correctly as per the TOS.

So the same parcels will still come up on non-mature search. Oh, the parcel owners may have to tweak their keywords some, but they WILL do that, and your "constituents" will still find themselves in Gorean parcels when they're looking for moccasins.

The "adult" search category is "searches by people who are adult-verified". Which will include parcels on sims flagged "Adult", just as the mature search category includes parcels flagged "mature".

Blondin, are you completely unaware how ineffective and incomplete and just plain unreliable the implementation of "Per Parcel" age verification is today?

1: It only locks an unverified person out of the first 50 M above the terrain. You ARE aware that we can build to 4096 Meters these days? Roughly 82% of the space we can build in is IMPOSSIBLE to protect with age verification as it is implemented today.

2: Parcels that require age verification have been proven to admit unverified people, while at the same time failing to admit verified people. There seems to be a random 1 in 20 or so chance that any one avatar will fail to be detected accurately, either direction. There have even been cases reported where two avatars belonging to the same person and verified successfully by aristotle tried to access the same age-restricted parcel, and one of the two could not enter the parcel! Same validation info, two different results!

3: At both the parcel and sim level, choosing to restrict by age verification and/or payment status means you can NOT be a non-public sim, or use either an access list, groups, or passes to restrict access to your land. Sorry, the private sim I am living on, which currently has a closed list of 150 or so souls who are allowed to access the sim, is NOT going to open its doors to every griefer in creation that happens to have payment info or an age-verified alt, just to meet your requirement that our "sex themed areas" are flagged "Adult".

4: LL repeatedly has refused to allow the age verification status to be anything that a resident in-world can check, either in a profile or via LSL scripts. This means we have NO way to control admission to groups based on age, not even manually, and we have NO way to allow security systems to eject non-age-verified people from the 82% of our buildable airspace that the parcel flag access restriction does not cover. What good is an ID check if the bouncer at the strip club or the clerk at the adult book store can't even LOOK at the ID to see if the person is a minor???

Add to this the people who age-verified using Elvis Prestley's ID information, the people who CAN'T age-verify in their country, and the ones who WON'T give their ID or credit card info so freely, and you'll see why virtually NONE of the adult content on the grid today is on parcels that are flagged as "Adult".

It just occurred to me... Maybe THAT is how you came up with "only 2% to 4% will be affected? Did you ONLY look on parcels flagged "Adult"??? If that is what you did, I assure you that you didn't have a chance of seeing the vast majority of the adult content out there today.

I give you an example: the german language community in game is strong. Can reach 1/3 of all members so far or soon. German is spoken in more than 3 Countries and several other country borders. Mainly its spoken in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, borders of Belgium and some, even Elsass in France, etc. We have over 30/40 very different dialects wich are in no lexica stored, spoken per regions and a main "high-language", spoken in all regions.

No chance to filter that. Same with spanish, italy, french, the scandinavian languages, the former yugoslavia dialects, serbo-croatic, croatic, slowenic, czech, slowaky, russia...all countries at russias borders, south-eastern Europe: montenegro, dalmacia, greek, portugeese, then: india dialects in masses, african dialects in masses, ehehehe and 5000 native american dialects...

Then asia....korean, japanese, chinese, thai, then millions of unknown slangwords funny ones in australia wich are changing every day -....

Ok, it will limit markets back to languages, but SL is truely a big babylon, we are not bounded on english, we can use ANY language or windings and dingbats, hahahahaha

It is so on earth, to explain you that: whereever a wanting exists, a workaround exists too.

They have NO chance to control x-hundred languages and language greyzones and they have even no chance to control workarounds in english: it is easy to give common vocables creative new semantic meanings while everyone with a brain will know what is meant... - because ANY language and ANY brain is flexible enough, and especially under pressure the best ideas comming up in people, hehehe

Non-mature searches for "native american" and "moccasins" for example, turn up very few adult hits.

I don't know what keywords Nany was using, moccasins was a wild guess at whatever it was that landed her in a Gorean mall and sent her into full Ada Doom I Saw Something Nasty In The Woodshed mode.

What this forced mass migration of landowners will accomplish nothing as it was intended, except for one side-effect:

It will make the land barons rich over-night, when it becomes the biggest land grab in SL history by these land barons, and jack up the price of the mainland to astronomical price, and hold you hostage on the vacated land.

This has already happened, when you realize all these prime waterfront properties for sale in mainland are owned by 3 individuals. They have jacked up the land price to L$20-100/sq m when the average land price in mainland is between L$1-2/sq m.

Go to land search and you will know who these individuals are.

So this will accomplish nothing except to make these **** rich.

Of course they can ban and delete accounts for everyone who tries to resist this. Because as far as they are concerned, there's plenty of new cattle in the chute once they kill these fat ones off. The operators of a meat packing plant do not worry about killing off the cattle in their pens today, when they are sure another shipment of cattle will always replace the last one. Delete a few thousand accounts, and the rest will fall in line, or will go on their own. Who cares? They don't. Plenty of new cattle in the chute, boys!

People HAVE left over previous stupid policy decisions. People HAVE canceled hundreds, possibly thousands, of private sims and countless mainland parcels, and packed up and gone off to do other things. And fresh newbies flood in through the front door, happy to play here under the new rules, because they never knew it any other way.

/me blinks.

That's not even funny, Ceera.

If it is true, it is appalling beyond belief. But it *would* explain the disconnect between their claims and Resident experiences.

K, I had it in my backhead..., but romantic was stronger..., so: it is true, they have it easier than real nations, because new born ones knocking every second in masses at SLs doors, so, ok, I agree with you! In light seen it is a fact that LL has the advantage that the population can change very fast.

The entire Roleplay community within secondlife will be affected by this as roleplays of a non-sexual nature constitute violence enough to be classified as "Adult".... in my opinion this will cause a significant problem for such as many in this area do not wish any sort of age or identification verification, they roleplay for the purpose of escaping reality and do not wish to be confined by such by being forced to age verify their main accounts and any alts they use to roleplay separate characters. I really think LL needs to reconsider this, maybe a separate definition set for "roleplay content" should be considered as I'm not quite sure if LL's research adequately represents the amount of content that falls into such....

To LL --- many roleplayers move on easily, cause them issues and they will leave for a new roleplay community at the drop of a hat.

What's all this fuss I keep hearing about sax and violins in Second Life? Why is LL planning on moving all the musicians to their own continent? How are the Net Nany's going to find clean, wholesome musical entertainment now?

I think The Lindens will need a training in newest fashion trends, and as ever they are not too new... - this was a common thing in upper-classes in france and some other regions some hundreds years before.

I like the idea...- even the often transparent clothes at different fashion events along each season.

Hehehe

Ok, LL will need a training in modern fashion. And oha, Kiev..., this is former USSR, - even them are meanwhile more modern than LL, it seems.

*sings: la laaaaa la la, carneval in Rio...*

Bet the new policy will draw attention to the Search function and clean it up quite a bit. No point in arguing about it here, with you anyway. : ) The people who need to look at this are the Lindens.

Adult = Perverts (admitted only if age verified)

Mature = Senior Citizens (too old to have sex, admitted with wheelchair)

Parental Guidance = Morons (admitted only when accompanied by your parent, parent-child relationship documentation required)

Ummmm... I've had a pants suit in my clothing store like that since October... does that now make me fashion forward??

course I provide pasties as well so I figure it's mature since no nipple shows in the promos... just pasties

yeah, different cultures, different languages. You will have to fix your own, or not. Businesses that sell fake, exploitive Native trash are going to suffer under this new policy. German, Japanese, French, whatever customers are not going to be finding it at the top of the Search results any more.

Best of all, Natives themselves are not going to be finding it at the top of the Search results anymore.

MassDebation

If they were actually interested in cleaning up search they wouldn't need a new policy.

In any case, as you say, you're not interested in the new policy itself. You're interested in some policy you'd like them to implement that you *think* they're going to implement as a side-effect of this new policy. Thanks for confirming that.

Sure. I have no opinion on the changes to Mainland. It affects services I don't use and really don't know anything about.

It may have an affect on overall business use of SL, I don't know.

You have no interest in any of the *actual* changes to search, either, because they haven't announced *any* changes to search that would have *any* effect on whether Gorean stores come up on searches for Native American products.

I believe if LL actually had complaints from genuinely outraged users over inappropriate search results, something would have been done long ago.

I suspect the percentage of users who actually leave the Mature box unchecked is very low. The percentage of those who are genuinely upset at finding a dungeon supply shop on page 5 of their PG search is effectively nonexistant.

It seems Blondin get lost while he is on tour through the redlight districts along the landmarks wich were given from many "greyzone" owners to him...

Maybe he is catched by the suggestive charme of these areas and is now self-experimenting his life new...

hehehe

I imagine him partying with ten girls in a hot-tube.

Maybe he's using an alt meanhwile... lol