Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

no offense blondin...

but why is linden labs forcusing on adult content when there are bigger problems.

I was force upgraded from a STABLE first look viewer to a new viewer which had massive bugs immediately. Why is it that I complain about being 'upgraded'? I'm complaining because the alpha viewer was more stable than the current release that I was just forced to install. On another machine I have to run coolviewer because it handles the hardware better.

Failed teleports, failed region handoffs, missing textures from asset servers that make some of my purchased clothing unwearable. OMG the LLLLLAAAAAAGGGGG!!! even on 'recommended' settings which I know my computer is capable of handling more (you've seen my art, and I can tell you that is a lot more hardware intensive than sl).

I know a lot of other people in this thread have said there are bigger problems than adult content. And I'll move what I need to move like a good girl. But seriously the technical problems are much worse to me than even the 'extreme' fetishes that I have learned about while reading this thread.

/rant

Blondin,

It has been argued that changes to the Viewer Search function under the new policy will be enforcement of existing Terms of Service only.

Are there changes that will affect Search planned beyond simply enforcing the existing rules?

Thanks

Flagging private Estates HAS to be at the sim level, and not just at the Estate Level. No technical reason both can't be used, like when you ban someone from one sim in an Estate consisting of multiple sims, and it asks if the ban is for that one sim only, or for all sims in the Estate. Allow the sim owner or Estate manager to flag a sim or the whole Estate as Adult Access required.

But LL will also have to provide accommodation for moving sims around at no charge, if a sim owner with multiple sims wants to flag just part of their sims as Adult, and there are others at that time, of their own OR belonging to someone else, that are touching their sim and which wil NOT be flagged Adult. As Argent ointed out, the isolation does no good if a private multi-sim estate ends up with mixed ratings still touching one another.

Blondin,

Can you also tell me where to find metrics on concurrent users of SL? I know there are far more people using SL concurrently now than last year, but it would be interesting to look at the trends.

People seem to think that dissatisfaction with SL policy changes is reducing the number of residents, but that doesn't add up.

I'm sorry for letting the posting here slip away for a few days but I'm back now. We've plucked out a few questions we've seeing and I'm going to push to get some answers by the end of today and post them here. Hopefully I'll be able to do this little mini update everyday.

Blondin, will you please address the HUGE discrepency between what Jack Linden is saying, that this forced move and forced flagging will only affect the most extreme content, like hard rape, mutilation, and such, and your own statements that even such softcore content as a strip club is forced to move or be in a private sim and flagged as adult?

I might, marginally, believe it is only 2% to 4% that will be affected, if Jack is right.

But if any strip club or "sexually themed area" is also included, there is no way that number can be accurate.

Please explain.

Blondin,

Did you see my post (and those of others) on the issues you have to fix regarding age verification? We'd like some feedback on this. Will LL do what's needed to get a solid, believable, reliable system or systems in place BEFORE the new policy goes into effect?

We are still waiting to hear how LL came up with "2 to 4 per cent". And we are still waiting for a clarification on what LL's definition of "Adult Content" is going to be. Yours? Jack's? Something in between?

We are still waiting to see some sort of beta test of the new Search system. There IS going to be a test, before you inflict it on everyone, isn't there?

We are still waiting for details on how the land swaps/moves will be accomplished.

We can't have further meaningful discussions until we have these answers from LL.

There will be an exchange period for the people moving.



That is an interesting idea. With the size and locations of some of the vacated parcels, I'm not sure if First Land would be appropriate but I think its a great program.

Were you around for First Land? It had... problems. New accounts would grab land for 1L, then immediately sell it to a land baron, who drove the price up even higher before he sold or rented it.

And frankly, a 512m parcel with 117 prims isn't big enough to do much. And it certainly wouldn't entice me to go back to Premium once more.

My assumption is that many of those forced to choose between giving LL payment info and giving Aristotle vital personal information will simply leave Sl.

That would decrease the number of possible consumers substantially

-V-

Per sim, definitely. Makes it easier for the estate owners (and peeved landlords are hard to deal with.) If you require that no non-adult sim directly adjoins an adult one you should offer estate owners free sim relocation too so that they get effectively the "same deal" as folks on the mainland, ie "if you have to move stuff it wont cost you"

On the other hand, the sadistic carnivore in me kinda enjoys the hunt

You're talking about this?:

[12:50] Jack Linden: Kyrion, all we are doing is saying look, if you want to see the most extreme end of Mature, we'd like you to age verify and by the way that stuff is on this continent over here. For everything else.. no worries, you can be Mature on the rest of the grid


[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move

Without the context of the convo, I'm not sure what exactly they were discussing or what happened after it. It sounds like they were talking about the violence aspect.

And no offense taken. Jack is very knowledgeable.

We are all still quite amazed that there has been no in-world announcement of this action, or solicitation of opinions about "adult content" age verification, and client changes from the general populace of SL. Very few people actually read the blogs, and this decision affects *everyone* in world.

I would hope that the communication on this issue would be vastly improved before any definite steps are taken

-V-

By Parcel, please. Allow people to decide for themselves, and that way you don't close off access to "inoffensive" content on sims and estates with adult content.

If LL goes through with this, parcel-level flagging would *drastically* reduce the inconvenience and economic impact of the segregation.

-V-

First Land is what got me to go Premium. A friend of mine invited a bunch of people and we all went Premium and bought our First Land together. We still have that land.

Blondin the new audio files from the brown bags on 25th and 27th aren't working, would be nice to hear them They've been posted on the blog.

I'm working on getting an update for tonight. Just have some pushing to do.

The team was supposed to meet today to discuss some of the definitions but due to scheduling conflicts of a few members - we had to reschedule it for Friday. I'm hoping to take some of those LM that you all passed to me and use them to help in our discussions by going around and visiting some of the 'gray' areas.

Blondin,

Pleeeeease tell me which of my parcel description words is the one that falls under adult..

It's not really toys is it??

OKay, the context of the conversation was about *sexual* content (like *all* of the conversations about this topic, evidently).

Which is why we are confused. Your criteria of "overtly sexual" and Jack's of "extreme dismemberment" don't jibe at all.

In one of my previous posts, I asked about "unlucky chairs". Impalement, beheading, electrocution, and for all of that, quite innocuous.

Will "unlucky chairs" be restricted to the "adult continent"? After all, they meet the "extreme dismemberment" criterion.

-V-

Because it is a private island and controls / perms are different there for the owners.

I still want to know what will be screened out of Search when Include Mature content is unchecked.

ie, will Mature content be screened out?

Estates include public estates like Dreamland. If it's OK to have a mature or PG sim next to an Adult sim in Dreamland, why isn't it OK in Mainland? There's no difference in the cam controls on private estates.

I crash. I lag. I am not immune to the technical difficulties that everyone here faces as well. I can assure you that there are many MANY people who are working on these issues right now. I, however, am not one of them.

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