Mainland value, after adult content moved...

What I can't figure is... if 96% of the mainland is non adult content why is there a slight premium on mature rated mainland despite there being 10 times as much of it as PG. I suspect part of the answer is PG folk see the mainland as all the same and not split in to two ratings and therefore stay away.
I also suspect that people put a higher value on what they can do with the land rather than the actual content. If this is correct then more than 4% will want to relocate to adult land to maintain their current mature rating.

So my prediction is... Adult land will have the highest value 'cause they won't make enough of it.. Mature land will have the lowest value because of its ambiguous rating.
The losers will be estate owners as renters return to dirt cheap, adfarm free, sanitized, over supplied mainland. Unless of course there is a horde of potential customers waiting for the sex and violence to go before signing up. If these people show up it will all be a huge success.

It would personally be worth less to me if my renters (some enjoying the BDSM Lifestyle) would move to rent on the Adult continent.

I'd say it's going to look better to some for certain types of role-play and community activities...

But others that even only dip their toes into adult poses or things that might be censored for being too 'adult' based on appearances or interaction (clubs, clothing stores, etc) will find mainland to be worth less..


But I do not see a rise in private owned sims being the likely result... if anything I see an exodus of users in the future if ll is not very very careful.

It'll become There... and die.

I think that's the big gamble described right there.

Eventually... yes. Home movies and the internet moved from porn to grandma's Disney DVD's for the kids in a huge, humongous, massive wave. To the point where the tech frontier always abandons the early adopter types that first used it.

Those G rated regular residents (well, G rated at home, even though they all might get verified to visit Pervistan) will be the teeming 100 million online that will change everything.

Providing that the metaverse doesn't get so bland that it dies of pointlessness and boredom first. A very real risk.

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On a side note, I'm not worried in the slightest about cheap mainland outcompeting my private estate. That's sort of like the price of Coors Lite affecting sales of Guinness. Maybe a little bit, but I think most of the people drinking Guinness would simply stop drinking anything alcoholic before switching to Coors.

I feel this change will devalue the whole grid. Though it may not be reflected in mainland pricing.

Sorry if this sounds negative but a can not see much WIN in this mess.

This is pretty much how I feel about it. Considering the area I live in, there's not going to be much, if any change at all. Unless they're driven to more exotic tastes and uproot to the AO continent (which I doubt), there'll still be the same 4 small harmless stores down by the road, the same 4 couples playing hide the salami, the same 4 lifetime members who dont login and use their land, and the same 3 small art galleries... nothing changes.
But you're right, it's the "option to" do those things that will be missing, and although I don't really think any of my neighbors will chase that option over to AO land, it will be missed none the less. I still might decide to trim down my holdings enough to buy a small parcel in AO land after things get settled over there.. who knows. I do enjoy that uninhibited wild west atmosphere, even if I don't take advantage of it.

I met the Coors Light girls when I was in New Jersey, trust me it was tempting to switch, well until the pictures were taken at least!

You look taller in the pictures.

Had a clean, clear, description of what adult content was going to be, i'd feel alot better about voting, one way or the other.

One one of Blue Linden's forums, there's a link to get the description of what will be considered adult content, when you go there, it says its still being discussed.

I will say, the rape, and free sex sims if on the mainland should be moved, id say even tell them they had to get private islands..but that's just my moral opinion. Some of SL has become a bit to graphic for even my open mind.

But i think a couple in their own four walls, should be able to have as much fun as they want privately in a mature sim, without their teenager coming to the door saying " mom, are you busy??? i need some Lindens" LOL

Y'all have a great day

That's definately true there. You have a pretty good handle on the themed, communal living over there, so I'd expect you won't even notice it. It's the "other" guys with mixed content estates that'll feel the pinch. Even the fully AO estates won't get hit by this as much as the ones with mixed, grab-bag content.

Yup the ones who fill the edges with slightly more risque content are likely to feel a strong pinch.

Haha smartarse

Desmond,

For your analogy to be true, one has to buy the concept that your view of SL is undisputably better, and what other people want out of SL is undisputably inferior. That simply is not true. For example, an SL resident might want to live in a community where the owner lives next door and doesn't have 1 million sq meters begging their attention. For them, YOU would be Coors. A resident might want to live in an ultra modern futuristic landscape. You would again be Coors.

I frankly agree that you have a unique and really fabulous community, and probably don't have a thing to worry about with competition from cheap mainland. But the self-righteous and condescending attitude seems to only blemish your good reputation. And your daily pooping on mainland communities is starting to look a bit desperate.

--Avion

Shucks, 'twern't nothin', ma'am! --Avion

Avion there's nothing cheap about your mainland, it's an awesome example of how mainland can work.

I'm jealous of what both Desmond and yourself have produced but mostly I'm encouraged by it, it shows that both models can work.

I hope you don't mind, but I quoted you in the LL discussion thread

So many comments of "never touch private estate land" and so forth grace these forums; it got a bit old.

Forget about me personally for a second, that sort of thing is fantastically condescending toward the hundreds that do rent from me. That's what ticked me off lately. It's not all business with me; some of these people are very good friends of mine.

There's an old expression from the Soviet school system, loosely translated, that goes: "silence means agreement." I don't agree whatsoever with these statements. I talk to new residents all the time, and learned pretty fast that going quietly along with all the private estate bashing is more damaging to reputation than anything else.

As a private estate owner, I get lumped in with wingnuts and scammers all the time; painted with the same brush. I'm human, and it gets old. Passive aggression simply doesn't work for me so I don't employ it. People know what I think.

To summarise all this down to lolcat: Opinions. I haz them.

Everyone is quite free to disagree.

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With regard to beer labels, here are the facts as I see it: the mainland is only something like 20 to 25% of what's out there, and people pay *more* not to be there. 100 USD more per region and loss of the 10% group bonus as well.

It's nothing personal Avion, and I am sure you have a fine pocket of mainland. Overall though, it's true, I don't think that much of mainland. If I did, I'd be on it.

Your opinions don't offend me though; you are welcome to them. If we ever meet up someday I'll buy you a pint. Your choice of beer.

I answered "I would value the mainland less." because I consider it yet another vector for me to be Abuse Reported and punished without opportunity for appeal.

Mainland lost all value for me years ago.


If LL does what they propose to do mainland will have a less than zero value for me.

I have more problems with huge ugly boxes with nothing inside than huge ugly boxes with orgies inside, because there's more of them. And huge ugly boxes with banlines around them and nobody in them, ever. And adfarms advertising adfarming services.

I would like the sex farm gone, but I don't believe this will prevent my neighbors setting up griefing builds because they're malicious, stupid, misguided, or prankish. The kinds of people who would take a beautiful mountain sim and cover it with green megaprim cubes and put dozens of identical prefabs on it are a much bigger problem than the people who just want to bump pixels in the back room of a bling club.

I've had several people tell me they will not bother going to mainland any more because they're afraid of getting maliciously ARed by some griefer after this scheme goes through. Mainland with fewer of my friends is worth less... I don't want to end up sitting there in my lonely PG glory in an ex-mature sim.

People wonder why mainland has no value for me and wonder why I refuse to own mainland.....

I wonder why people waste thier money on mainland only to be griefed to death.

From some of the comments it seems like you are forgetting this is an 18+ environment in the first place. You need to look at ratings systems in similar entertainment industries, I would consider SL mainland to be mostly 'R' which in my mind allows for a wide variety of activities. This may actually be doing a favor for those in legitimate R to X rated businesses, who may be selling naughty but tasteful stuff. It will give a clear dividing line between certain kinds of behaviors (that are illegal in some countries btw.. Germany has strong legislation against the really smutty stuff for example).

In terms of the mainland value, I don't see much change on a parcel to parcel level, in fact possibly a rise is residential renting/owning in general as people are forced to go inside with thier sexy fun. LL hopefully is not stupid enough to restrict personal freedom on owned or leased land and it would be next to impossible to enforce it. If I am taking some measure to keep my affairs private.. i am simply not liable for people snooping.

The biggest factor and advantage to this system that i haven't seen mentioned is avatar dress. Personally I have never been offended by someone's porn club or whatever, but when some naked newbie shows up at my event, package primed it can be a serious distraction. Giving the people who want triple x a place to look for it will go a long way to clearing up some of the confusion for new folks. Its a head-them-off-at-the-pass strategy that is probably the only way to change the mainland reputation.

-why

[12:50] Jack Linden: Kyrion, all we are doing is saying look, if you want to see the most extreme end of Mature, we'd like you to age verify and by the way that stuff is on this continent over here. For everything else.. no worries, you can be Mature on the rest of the grid


[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move



Quite frankly if what Jack said is what is going to happen then the vast majority of us have nothing to worry about. Only those who are into certain ~extreme~ aspects of "adult content" will have to move. Aspects which I suspect the majority of adults in SL are not into and would rather not be exposed to. Torture? Dismemberment? Snuff? No thanks. That is not for me. I'm pretty sure I would prefer that sort of thing to have it's own place that is easy to avoid going to. I didn't even know it existed in SL until some weeks when I looked at a few profiles and checked out some groups. First time I had seen anything like it in SL in 5 years and yes it did take me by surprise. Never thought I would see such in SL.

In respect with what Jack says above... I have to agree with LL on this one.

Thank you Moon Corrigible for posting that.

Still doesn't change the fact that mainland has no value to me.

I understand what Desmond is trying to convey about estates, and it's not just because I'm also in the land business. The point is not that his estate is Victorian in theme, it's that it is well-designed and tasteful. Someone who wants to live on the beach or in a space colony isn't going to choose Caledon, but there should be a comparably attractive and carefully managed land community for their interest.

Estate owners and managers have the ability to regulate and control the content and appearance of our sims in a way LL could never do without hiring dozens if not hundreds of new employees. They can't say "your giant blinging box club is ugly and no one wants to look at it, put it at 500m or get rid of it" - they simply don't have the time or manpower. Mainland will ALWAYS have large amounts of ugly content because LL is a service provider, not an arbiter of good taste.

I really think that the only solution to this, funny as it may sound, is to teach people about what is attractive, and about what is visually possible in SL, early in their time here. Show them quality content creators, and teach them that they should buy their products from those people, or build in the sky until their own skills are up to a decent standard. I was lucky to discover the Creative Fantasy sims early in my SL career, and Julia Hathor's work became the standard by which I judge the quality of a build. When I buy buildings, I purchase from creators that are at or near her level. It may be a completely different style of build, but the care and time taken, the richness of the textures - I look for comparable work. I do sometimes build things myself, and I am in no way as good a builder as she is - but my stuff looks nice. It is not an eyesore, it doesn't bother the neighbors who may have to look at it. It fits the landscape and theme of the area. I don't really understand what is so difficult about this, but judging by the amount of ugliness on mainland, and the within-covenant-but-bleh stuff some people have on my rental sims, apparently many people have low standards and no taste.