Mainland value, after adult content moved...

/me assumes Desmond is asking about the existing mainland, not the new mainland which will include the naughty continent.

With a *minimum* supply increase of 2% (about 100 regions) I can't see prices going anywhere but down. When's the last time LL felt they needed to add more mainland?

The value of mainland will go up for me. I don't like the risk of having some huge ugly box built next to my property with orgies going on inside. I'm not a prude by any means, but no person is an island. Their actions affect my property value, so I say good riddance.

(not that I won't go peaking around the naughty continent now and again.

Well, I'm all tiered down and back to basic on all my accounts, but... I had an idea yesterday and almost bought a 4096sqm parcel in a mature mainland sim. It appears it was previously owned by an adult club. However, the looming questions surrounding the AO content was enough to halt my purchase.

Now, granted, any naughty stuff I'd do would probably be done privately up in a skybox. However, I'd like the option to make it into a public thing if I ever had the inclination. To me, this restriction on what I can and can't do is a strike against it and it loses it's value for me.

Here's my hope, even though I know it won't come true. I'd like to see LL hold onto all of the land left by people that have to move to Pornucopia. Smooth it out... rejoin small parcels, make it park-like and just sit on it until some of the land already for sale on the existing mainland gets bought.

you can have ugly builds next to you that are not adult. What if you have a totally battle plot next to you, which is most likely what the teenagers will want to build? That is always the risk on the mainland with no covenants. At least the naughty neighbor will usually have attractive clothes and skins.
BT

Good point, ugly builds will always be around, but I use to live very close to a sex club and got really tired of people leaving there and coming to my place to ask for sex. It was pretty regular that they'd come by and would get very nasty when I told them to leave. I guess it's one of the curses for being so incredibly hot

Back to ugly builds, they wont go away, but my experience tells me that the vast majority of the really huge ones tend to be some type of sex club. Maybe that's just my experience.

Mmmm, Bradleeee....can I come by this evening? We can...talk.

I'll have to talk with my social secretary and see when I can fit you in.

I'll value mainland less as it's a sure sign that Linden Lab won't work with inworld land owners on issues and look to come to sensible compromise, which makes the risk factor higher.

My experience is mostly people who go: ooo! megaprims kool !!! build build build. hooo !!! phallic ooo! spinny script ooo! particles !!! fullbright !!! glow even !!! even better !!! build build build. hoooo !!! this SL is amazing !!! can do all kinds kool stuff here !!! woohoo !!! =) wat u mean is ugly !!! look at it !!! geez some ppl I dont know =)

/me pouts. You're as bad as Trout.

Based on what we know now about the proposed Adult Continent (and we know next to nothing now):

Less in the short-term, more in the long term.

Giving one more of an ability to choose one's neighbors makes the land less risky and thus more valuable.

In the short term, there will be a glut of unused mainland as adult businesses abandon it, and that glut will drive prices down until new residents eventually buy it up. Plus, it always takes time for people to actually figure out the value (or loss) of a change in the rules.

Of course, these predictions depend on a lot of factors that really, as far as I can tell, are speculation. We don't know Linden Lab's final rules. We don't know when they will be implemented. We don't know what other changes might affect the situation (e.g., script memory limts on parcels or sims). We don't know if Second Life will continue to grow. We don't know what Linden Lab will do with pricing of land of any time, or what they will do with supply of land.

It may be fun to be an armchair economist. But if anyone actually wanted to speculate on the value of mainland given the upcoming changes- well, your state's lottery is a safer investment of your money.

i think the average price will be lower too, simply because more land is added

i also have doubts the new pron land will see the sky-high prices that are expected by some, if it does , pretty sure it will be another nautilus/bay city story, untill LL dumps another pron continent to get those prices down.



i would vote on that too


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It might be that LL have budgeted for a 4% drop in Mainland occupancy as a direct outcome of the AO move.
They really would be pushing their luck if people forced to move to AO had to compete in the open market for new land. They just have to be contemplating a metre for metre swap - whatever about the character of the terrain.

They have mentions about 4% of "content" having to move, but the only sensible interpretation of that has to be area. 4% of prims would be meaningless.

Taking current mainland as 4000 sims, this 4% is 160 sims.
At an average worth to them of US$300 per month, that's US$48,000 / month = US$567,000 / year

They would have to sit on the bulk of vacated land in order to avoid totally tanking mainland prices. Things are getting yellower by the week. Abandoned land is easier to notice now. It's generally empty and the land description goes "Land abandoned by <name> on <Date>". I see a lot that is not yet set purple in preparation to go into the auction queue 'sometime'. People are even abandoning entire mainland sims.

By their own 4% estimate, they are eating about US$500,000 /year in order to sanitize Mainland.



Ursula right now is 11 rows of 14 sims (give or take a jaggy).
154 sims - or about the 4%

Nicer terrain and water on the West, Granite desert on the East.
The Eastern and Southern edges are abrubt cutoffs that can be tacked onto as they require more.
That rectangular grid of roads is spreading down the sims.... Goodbye to any hopes of them cloning the terrain of existing sims.

But. It seems to be set up to swallow 4%


I really wonder how they came to that 4% estimate.
If they've underestimated significantly..
1) It's going to cost them more, or
2) The excrement hitting the fan is going to be even smellier than it was going to be anyway.

If it is "all about me", I have to vote for "more". That doesn't mean I'm in favour ghettoizing the adult activity set, but that said, their thing isn't my thing, so an absence of same would make me more likely to buy a mainland plot.

Ursula is apparently going to be 256 sims.

Hi,
Can you tell me what you mean by 'set purple'. I have been watching a plot to go on the auction. Before this 'adult' thing, I thought I might buy it.

BT

The naming convention suggests that, but currently the Eastern sims in each row are not in place.
What they have now corresponds roughly to their estimate of the ~ 4% area that will have to move there.


It's going to be 256, ( another 100 sims or so) but when it's going to be is another matter.
The Newest Geata continent has been in that cut-off state for months now.

1. Land gets abandoned to LL
2. LL eventually get around to prepare it for auction, and it becomes Purple on the Map - if you check the Land on sale box. THe time between abandonment and setting for auction can be very lengthy/ unknown
3. Some time after that, they actually put it up for auction. That can take a number of weeks from the time it 'went purple'

If you have your eye on some abandoned land, submit a ticket expressing your interest as a neighbour and they might put into the auction queue.
If your land adjoins abandoned land of less than 512 sq.m., submit a ticket asking if you can buy it. You could get it for L$1/m - particularly if you share more than one boundary with it.

I would have gone for a third option. I don't think the value will change.

Thank you

In my opinion, the it's not the value of this land vs. that land that I'm concerned about. It's more the overall SL experience is diminished. It's like the dream is dying. It's like real life has caught up with SL. It's no longer hilariously outrageous everywhere you look anymore. We have to behave, or move to a special ghetto. So the "real grid" will be neat and clean and won't offend children or good Christians. It's like 1860 in the Old West, and the railroad is coming, and we're going to be a state, and so now the saloons and the brothels are closing, the murder rate goes way down, and the churches are going up. Yes, it's probably inevitable and the right direction to move in, but it just isn't as much fun.

--Avion

I say lower. We opted to keep our corner of the mainland mature, just for the options, you know, like just in case a bordello was wanted sometime in the future, or not- the choice was ours. That choice is being taken from us, without any guarantee that the mainland will actually improve in any aesthetic sense. Our garden will still be surrounded by cruddy builds, random chunks of day-glo stuff and abandoned freebie spaceships. (Just no more dog-bonking next door....sigh....there goes the local colour.)

That is really good. Perfect , in fact.