Mainland value, after adult content moved...

If "youth" is becoming more prevalent then Linden needs to boot them out. The whole point of the Teen Grids was to keep children out. The Grown up grids are for adults to do as they please. I think people should try and be more discrete though. You wouldn't have as some one else said in an earlier post 'A penis forest' in your front yard at you real house and for tacts sake you should probably not do so in SL but that is one of the cool things about SL is that whatever floats some ones boat they can do within reason.
If people want to show SL to friends chances are they know who there neighbors are and probably have explained what SL is about to there friends before hand so they should not be shocked or freaked out about what they see. They can always tp them to to more subdued areas if where they live is all kinked out and if they are that provincial that seeing sex freaks them out then be a friend and if they decide to play guide them to the PG sims.
Another option would be to add more PG sims or to make a warning appear before a TP completes saying some thing like 'You are about to enter a mature sim do what you need to mentally prepare or hit cancel'
a warning system about entering a mature area and an option to cancel would be a better solution I think. This way thousands of people are not displaced and people can make there own decision on where they go and if they really want to. Sims do have there ratings on them so you know when you are entering one but perhaps Mature and PG is a bit to complicated for some people to understand and an additional warning may be in order.
I think there are far more obnoxious and annoying things out there aside from sex or mature themed art or objects.
Also I would prefer Linden just focus on making sure everything works correctly instead of worrying what some one is doing on the land they are paying for.

I created this: http://ninjaland.net/tools/sim-stats/

Sadly I don't have the capacity to scan all sims daily, especially if I tried to include estate sims, but it'll be good evidence one way or ther other for this sort of claim.

Really ??? Hmmm!

Some mainland sims came on market other day. A (PG) and a (M) next to each other. Both have Route8C running through top end and they both gently slope down from east to west to the ocean, one sim away. Perfect green sims. both of them. Identical terrain even. Both sims were empty, divided for sale in regular lots. Same price per m in both. Same real estate agent. Not cheap either going on what even perfect green goes for these days on average

I buy on both sides of roadside in (PG) sim. Two other people came and buy over the half the sim between them closest to ocean. Is about quarter our sim left to sell. (M) sim next door has only sold some parcels by roadside. Most of it still for sale.

Is new kinda buyer now beginning to dominate the mainland market. People who not into AO-SL. Well at least not on their own home parcels anyways. PG is where they buying for their homes and workshops. M buyers hanging off waiting.

I have land in both PG and Mature sims.
I have Mature parcels with content that is absolutely PG.
I have parcels in Mature sims in which there is no overt sign of Mature content in the neighbourhood.
In all those sims, I see people wandering about on their business or recreation.

If it were true that the majority of people in SL were only interested in extreme sex and violence ( the loose definition of Adult for AO ), that would be very depressing. I don't believe it to be true.

There was also more drama because there were more people who agreed with the ban, because there was less consensus, so there was more argument.
I'm not talking about "scale of public uproar", I'm talking about "consensus".

There's only a handful of people in favor of this, and three of them so far have turned out to be the same person.

I don't believe it either. There are lots of times when I could have all the fun I wanted, and never care about the maturity rating of the land I'm on, because nothing I'm doing is non-PG. You can have a lovely time in Caledon, for example...and even the BDSM establishment I ran across there would never have failed a PG content test.

There are other times when I want to do adult things.

I guess that now, I will have to go somewhere specific when I want to do that. I hate that.

I liked Mature land because it offers choice. Now there will be less choice with M land. I guess that, even though most of my life is PG, I'll have to look into buying some of Pornopolis if I want to maintain my freedom of choice.

Mr. Shang, I had a little time over my morning coffee too do just that. In fact, I logged in and did some profile browsing of a random selection of some of the names at the same time. I make no claims to have solved the questions about the authenticity of the voters. I did find a lot of what looked like authentic profiles, many of which had shared groups relating to the policy change, which could explain the influx of interest in this thread.

More importantly, I learned that there are those among who missed the memo that profiles are supposed to PG. Desmond, I am holding you personally responsible for ruining my breakfast.

I am suspending this investigation until cocktail hour.

(And you out there, the one with the pictures.....tsk, tsk, tsk. )

If LL is genuinely trying to keep underage (under 1 out of SL, then by golly, do age verification across the board and stop fooling around with it. I mean if that's truly their intention, so let it happen, bring it on.

However if they are trying to prove to the world that SL is not a Sodom and Gomorrah, then putting it all in one place is a HUGE fiasco of a mistake, cause as we all know the media will find it and stake out a camp, and that's all the outside world will see of SL ever again. (wow that will get some read wont it??)

Most adults that can read, know when they are in a mature sim, and know what mature means..I seriously think they need to find a better way.

This will be about the most serious blunder I will have seen so far..I say, set regulations about how the places are advertised, whats on the outside of the buildings etc, so its not in every one's face 24/7..and BTW clean up some of the profiles that are supposed to be in PG standards, I see way more body parts and escort services than I care to on any one given day, just from reading a profile or two.

There's lots better ways to clear up these problems with a bit more common sense, and a heck of lot less angst for their customers.

Anyone who is aware of the current Adult Content Restrictions "discussion" is most likely holding off on ANY further purchase of Mature mainland until LL finally comes up with a clear and concise definition of what will or will not be allowed in the future on Mature sims.

If all you want is a strictly PG environment, that will clearly still exist pretty much as-is. Go sell your house plants and other non-contraversial stuff in your new PG-themed store; or set up your sex-free monestary; or 1950's TV style home where kids miraculously appear without mommy ever having been preggers, and even though Mom and Dad always sleep in seperate beds, with one foot remaining firmly on the floor. It's a safe enough investment, and you're unlikely to be forced to move in a few months. And everyone can still get to your store or home.

But if you intend to use that land for anything that vaguely, possibly might fall under the mandate of "Move it or delete it! The Censors don't like your activities on your land!"? Well, would you buy an apartment in RL as a married couple, if you were unsure if the landlord might kick you out if she heard the mattress springs squeaking too much? Would you invest lots of money building any business, if in two to 4 months you may have to tear it all apart and start over on a new continent, with completely unknown surroundings and neighbors, and with many of your employees and customers unable to go there?

The smart money is staying in resident wallets, until this gets decided and is set in stone, and the new zoning rules are understood.

By the way, 95% of the time I spend in-world is spent in entirely G-rated activities, like sitting with friends, fully clothed, and talking about G-rated stuff, or building PG sims for University clients. In RL I don't spend all my time yiffing in the bedroom with my mate, either. But if anyone tries to tell me I can NOT engage in adult consentual behavior on my own land, where it isn't bothering anyone but the peeping tom who cams through my walls from far away... well, such land would be worthless to me.

There are some wonderful places on the mainland. I think Caledon is pretty cool to visit. But with the recent mandates still unclear, I wouldn't dream of buying mainland. Because my activities on my own land are never going to be 100% PG.

I don't think this is a real problem, cinda. Any reporter looking for a sensational story will take a pic of Diamond Lil's XXXtreem Sex Parlor no matter WHERE it's located.

When demand for land goes down the price also goes down.

The adult community is forced out by this, not moved. Many will close their clubs and dungeons and get rid of their land. It will be simply impossible to maintain our businesses as new residents mostly will not get age verified. Not because they are minors, just because they don't understand why they should give their private info. (and don't get the chance to see the fun they will miss)

All who will stay get clear message:
You think you own your land, but you don't. At any given moment the rules what you can do with it can just change drastically. Your rights as an owner are close to zero. (Actually, see the terms of usage, they are just zero)
When you ain't get any rights on something it would be silly to think you own it.

Just take your loss.
SL isn't an economy.
Land in SL is not a property.
And surely it is not an investment.

Why would LL care about newbies earning money at strip clubs? LL wants them buying Lindens via LindenX where LL gets a slice of the action.

I don't doubt that some clubs will go out of business. I also think LL doesn't care or they think the gains from cleaning up the mainland will significantly outweigh the losses. We don't have the numbers or access to the long term plan.

They are doing this, it isn't up for discussion. What is up for discussion is where the lines are drawn for content creators who sell or use "adult" animations in their products. LL has already said that privately owned items are ok on Mature land. Retailing of said items is where the real discussion is. Anyone smart is already figuring out a way to hedge their bets either way. I'll bet a 3rd party web-based retailer will crop up to fill demand if all retail of adult animations is forced onto the new continent.

Getting your panties in a bunch over something that is happening whether you like or not is a non-productive strategy. Influencing WHERE the lines are going to be drawn and policy is a productive strategy because where those lines are drawn IS going to significantly effect a large number of content creators.

When I drive down the highway each day to go to work I have to see a lot of things. Some of them I like, some of them I wish would be torn down, and others I am ashamed to see exist (graffiti) for example. But we are adults and we are able to control our emotions... if you do not like something turn your head. If we start by censoring Mature content... what will be next?

- Dividing SL into religious sects so that the Christians will not be offended by Muslims and vice versa.
- Dismantling the Gay Pride groups or demand they stay in the closet so as not to offend others.
- Put warning labels up for areas that include photos of alcoholic beverages so that the Alcohol Anonymous groups will not be tempted unnecessarily.
- Should we also suggest having people take down their country flags, I have seen some Canadian, Australian, American, and German ones... so that people will not feel offended. I may have come from a Country or area that was conquered by another and feel threatened.
- How about we rope off a section of SL for the animal avatars, fantasy creatures, etc...

The point is the possibilities of being "offended" by something in SL are endless... and the power of being an adult is that we should be able to control our emotions...

That being said, I do agree that there should be Neighborhood Watch Committees for residential areas. Having a BDSM club or Giant Shopping Mall appear in a neighborhood is ridiculous.

I've just noticed that another 64 sims have been added to Ursula on the Eastern side.
You can see the Eastern coastline of the continent in those.
So the only way that Ursula can go is down (so to speak).

After looking all this over, and watching results for a few days...

...yeah, looks like I was wrong about alt stuffing, at least the best I can tell. Results seem pretty consistent and it's Wednesday already. Still suprised at the number of people who came out of the woodwork Monday morning, but I guess a lot of jobs are boring out there?

Also, looking back at that prediction of mine dragged up from 2007... well, mainland values never did go up, really. Making me quite wrong on that one. Land printing totally overwhelmed it, plus the market was regulated somewhat ~ I don't think mainland values will be *allowed* to go up too high any more, even if they trended that way. At least not to early 2007 levels on the mainland.

That's because most of the grid are unaware of it.......wait for it, .....then you might have to alter your opinion very quickly!

I don't RP or venture into Adult or Violence play areas....but i'm against the right of freedom of expression as this is an 18+ platform first and foremost i.e Adult.

I suggest many like me would vote the same way....which would be a resounding NO to adult verification and segregation. I know most of the people on my Friends List are of a similar mind having had these IM discussions, ...they're predominantly Content creators who don't have much time to do much else. I also have a bunch of my residents from my sims express similar thoughts. To be honest i don't know many people in-game that support this....I think I've only spoken to 2 people to date who thought this was a good idea.

Yes. Is why more land been sold on my new home sim (PG) than the one next door (M) even though they virtually identical terrain. Also a factor I think is that even when people are considering buy M then they mindful also about the rating of the sims around them. So thats maybe dampening things a little as well.

Personally if according to the Blog Announcement, AO only takes up 5% of activity and PG is also 5% then I think that as well as an AO continent then there should be a PG one as well. Then the existing mainland as it is can be rated entirely M. Other than the Linden territories and publicways.

True. Land is a cost. SL is no different to RL. The investment is what you do with it.

Those are mine and I'll terminate with extreme 'Prejudice' any PG holy roller, non pervav that rubs me wrong that steps foot in them.


/me sneers at all pg types.