Mainland value, after adult content moved...

I say lower. We opted to keep our corner of the mainland mature, just for the options, you know, like just in case a bordello was wanted sometime in the future, or not- the choice was ours. That choice is being taken from us, without any guarantee that the mainland will actually improve in any aesthetic sense. Our garden will still be surrounded by cruddy builds, random chunks of day-glo stuff and abandoned freebie spaceships. (Just no more dog-bonking next door....sigh....there goes the local colour.)

it was solved pretty quick by freezing the guy and dry humping him i

[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move

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[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move
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https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417]
What is the difference between PG and Mature land?
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In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind "closed doors".

As it stands, content on a Mature region that is not "the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc." and therefore not necessary to move to AO, will be a candidate for a valid AR if it's on view without having to pass through some form of "closed door".

you can have ugly builds next to you that are not adult. What if you have a totally battle plot next to you, which is most likely what the teenagers will want to build? That is always the risk on the mainland with no covenants. At least the naughty neighbor will usually have attractive clothes and skins.
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So many comments of "never touch private estate land" and so forth grace these forums; it got a bit old.

Forget about me personally for a second, that sort of thing is fantastically condescending toward the hundreds that do rent from me. That's what ticked me off lately. It's not all business with me; some of these people are very good friends of mine.

There's an old expression from the Soviet school system, loosely translated, that goes: "silence means agreement." I don't agree whatsoever with these statements. I talk to new residents all the time, and learned pretty fast that going quietly along with all the private estate bashing is more damaging to reputation than anything else.

As a private estate owner, I get lumped in with wingnuts and scammers all the time; painted with the same brush. I'm human, and it gets old. Passive aggression simply doesn't work for me so I don't employ it. People know what I think.

To summarise all this down to lolcat: Opinions. I haz them.

Everyone is quite free to disagree.

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With regard to beer labels, here are the facts as I see it: the mainland is only something like 20 to 25% of what's out there, and people pay *more* not to be there. 100 USD more per region and loss of the 10% group bonus as well.

It's nothing personal Avion, and I am sure you have a fine pocket of mainland. Overall though, it's true, I don't think that much of mainland. If I did, I'd be on it.

Your opinions don't offend me though; you are welcome to them. If we ever meet up someday I'll buy you a pint. Your choice of beer.

At the risk of being very obvious and stupid, I have to ask: aside from the limited context of buying land, does "mainland" have any value at all?

I mean "mainland" as a concept or place.

I almost never know whether I'm on mainland, and I don't care.

I don't walk or fly from place to place usually, or take any public conveyance, so whether one place is next to another is usually irrelevant.

Am I completely wrong here? Does "mainland" have anything to offer than any other place in SL?

Sometimes I get the feeling that "mainland" is a sort of ghetto.

[12:50] Jack Linden: Kyrion, all we are doing is saying look, if you want to see the most extreme end of Mature, we'd like you to age verify and by the way that stuff is on this continent over here. For everything else.. no worries, you can be Mature on the rest of the grid


[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move



Quite frankly if what Jack said is what is going to happen then the vast majority of us have nothing to worry about. Only those who are into certain ~extreme~ aspects of "adult content" will have to move. Aspects which I suspect the majority of adults in SL are not into and would rather not be exposed to. Torture? Dismemberment? Snuff? No thanks. That is not for me. I'm pretty sure I would prefer that sort of thing to have it's own place that is easy to avoid going to. I didn't even know it existed in SL until some weeks when I looked at a few profiles and checked out some groups. First time I had seen anything like it in SL in 5 years and yes it did take me by surprise. Never thought I would see such in SL.

In respect with what Jack says above... I have to agree with LL on this one.

Thank you Moon Corrigible for posting that.

Still doesn't change the fact that mainland has no value to me.

What difference is it with any single island? Unless you have a well designed estate that is well-promoted as a destination, does it have any value at all?

If what Jack is quoted as saying is true, it's very different than what the other Lindens have been saying. I wouldn't consider a strip club to be anywhere near what Jack's talking about..

...With regard to beer labels, here are the facts as I see it: the mainland is only something like 20 to 25% of what's out there, and people pay *more* not to be there. 100 USD more per region and loss of the 10% group bonus as well.

It's nothing personal Avion, and I am sure you have a fine pocket of mainland. Overall though, it's true, I don't think that much of mainland. If I did, I'd be on it.
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I can tell the difference between estate land and mainland, by just arriving at a destination. Estate land yes, has a value for the purpose it was created for, for those who use it. Mine is residential, also a deaf/disabled service center, a non profit. It has value to those that utilize the services and those who choose to call it home. I suppose the point is that, same thing for mainland. Main problem I have with mainland is that people can do anything they want, no covenant, and if you don't like it, too bad so sad, which is why I've had a castle floating over (and slightly off to the side, not 'quite' on my property) on my mainland sim for a long time now. Gives me the willies, makes me want to duck when I go over there, it's floating about 100 m up. The parcel on the other side of me on mainland (this is Whitesun, by the way) is group owned, a 512. The group owner hasn't been inworld for a year now. The other group member (there were only 2) had no group power, doesn't care about it (I talked to her recently, she owns her own estate and isn't interested in that sad little piece of land just sitting there with a rock on it). If that had been an estate, could have reclaimed it long ago, prettied it up and made it worth something. As it is, it's just an ugly little parcel sitting there all alone. That kind of thing makes a difference to me, the ability to do something about 1) prim junk and 2) parcels that sit forever, collecting trash, with no one that cares about them.

I'm less than 2 weeks old and probably haven't had enough time to find the places on the mainland that are described by many here, so this may not make much of a contribution to the discussion. I was fortunate enough to find a lovely rental skybox off the mainland, nice people, beaches, club, swimming pool in the apartment, TV, Radio, all the "gadgets" you could need for an adult existence and an absolutely great landlady to boot. With that said, I went ahead and bought a 512m patch in a private sale a few days ago in Basenville. It is a little tacky so I'm putting up a comfortable skybox up above it to get a little privacy, but I really do enjoy the variety and can't wait to have the time to wander around, see the waterfront, meet people and so on. The variety is hugely important to me. I am keeping the rental skybox, though! Cheers, Jackie.

I think this is an overgeneralization. The first island I rented on was not dissimilar from mainland. Although it was mostly residential, the mix of buildings that fit within covenant was wide and varied, and would be considered "ugly" by many of the folks here. Many estate rentals that just carve up the islands into 4096s are the same way.

I'm not saying that one is "better" than the other per se, but the gross overgeneralizations about how awful mainland is is out of line. It's got its problems, and estate has its own set of problems, but one man's trash is another's treasure, and vice versa.

Your opinions don't offend me though; you are welcome to them. If we ever meet up someday I'll buy you a pint. Your choice of beer.

The moles may well be making dirty things in Ursula, but they've also been busy elsewhere.

There's a cluster of Linden water sims on the Sothern edge of Corsica - about the middle - that have lately sprouted under water ruined cities, caves, reefs, aquatic stuff, etc.

Look at the stretch from the island in Degrand sim east to Petaccio and the sims around those.

No sign of Magellan stuff yet, but there are freebies.


That's nice, making the mainland water more interesting. I hope they soon work their way West to the sims around Castle Valeria and then North



On land value (even before the AO thing hits):
I notice that in Eastern Corsica, there are 8 complete sims for sale, and 5 complete sims marked purple for future auction - abandoned after failure to sell.
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There's a cluster of Linden water sims on the Sothern edge of Corsica - about the middle - that have lately sprouted under water ruined cities, caves, reefs, aquatic stuff, etc.

Look at the stretch from the island in Degrand sim east to Petaccio and the sims around those.

No sign of Magellan stuff yet, but there are freebies.

It's not just the Mainland that's lost it's value for me.

For most of my time on this platform I've lived on the Mainland. I'd moved to a private estate about 2 years in, having been wooed by promises of better community and decreased lag. But I moved back to the Mainland after about 10 months of boring sameness and perfectly textured banality, longing for the quirky ugly creativity that defines Second Life for me personally.

Now the entire Mainland is being whitewashed, sanitized and made safe for Corporate America and Educational Opportunities. Bah. That's not the platform I joined and not one I'm going to support financially.

I've closed my store and removed all my content from XStreet. I've cut my Mainland property down to the size that myself, my partner and our alts can cover with our free premium land tier set to group, sold the rest off to the bots, set the remaining land to age-verified access only (which of course doesn't even really work), set it to show in Places Search under "Adult" on the off chance that will get me moved to the Adult Continent, and will allow my grandfathered $L500/wk stipend cover my premium membership fee until such time as they take that away from me too.

I tried to give a poop when this whole thing came down, but I just don't anymore. I'm an Early Adopter, I'm not wanted here anymore, so I'll make way for someone else.

Consider this tho, my friends; If LL has so effectively shoved the people who Pioneered this platform out the door, where do you think you'll stand with them in another 5 years?

Well, it may sound harsh but true, you quitting the race now means less competition for others who won't give in so easily before the policies are even implemented.