Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Thats fine, and I respect your right to respond, or not respond as you see fit. I'm actually running a test here. I have seen many posters much earlier in this thread, one of which was me, come up with quite a bit of reasonable and measured information/questions about this issue, for instance:

1. Linden Labs is also in this for profit and has no doubt has investors to please.

2. There is a chance that legal matters are at work here.

3. This entire mess may be something being handled in committee, and not the best solution for anyone.

4. This action, if handled correctly, might be good for adult businesses on SL.

5. The action of moving hard core porn to another area, in no way makes the PG/Mature grid acceptable to merge with the teen grid.

6. We do not even know it the Lindens can enforce any/all of this.

My thinking is that none of these reasoned threads have really been responded to and discussed, and what is primarily going on here is sensationalism. When I mentioned this about two hundred posts ago, I was told that I was wrong, and that measured posts had been responded to and discussed, and that discussion responses were not limited to "Bash Nany" threads.

So ... I tried something reasoned, once again many posts ago, and there was no discussion. I tried something slightly controvercial and have gotten a lot. If I would have made a "Nany" style post, there would probably have been ten pages of response.

Not sure why this is important ... I was just curious.

Another idea that has been suggested many times is to create PG-only and adult-only continents - both - and not force anybody to move anywhere. This would let the market decide (in the form of land supply/demand on those continents) where it wants to go.

I'm very, very frustrated by the way Linden has handled this whole thing. They seem to insist that there's demand for their actions but resident response here has been pretty clear that it's not something many of us have asked for. They also spout this 2-4% number which, if it was true, would also mean that they're doing an awful lot of work to address what is really a tiny (2-4%) problem. And, of course, they haven't been able to define 'adult' yet so I have to wonder how they measured that 2-4%...

I think that letting the market decide what it wants to do would be a really smart idea. Maybe LL will do it anyway..

Yes, it sounds radical, but me is from Europe. I lived in germany and live now in Austria. There is a country in relative geographical and mental near wich everyone knows: France. There it is normal and kind of tradition (thinking on 1789 until today) that the whole nation, students, workers, middle class,goes on keyword in synchronized general strike if the governement makes something stupid.

This works in 75% of all cases to bring the government back to reality and sometimes down on knees and they have every year several major strikes there....

They do like to demonstrate and to show to the "above" wich are the real dimensions...

So, grewn up in somehow this political and cultural environment, coming from parents wich were active in the 1968 freedom and democracy movement in germany, I find it not radical to have a clear definition about what goes and what goes not.

The Lindens are radical! They try to declare the whole nature and the whole nature of the homo sapiens for obsolete, to fit to some of their biz-spleens. I feel that this touches my human rights as an 18+ near my 40s of age (38 actual) - so, this will never happen that a technical platform management for wich I pay much, will start to tell me what is art and what is not art, what is adult and what not and how I have to design and to experiment myself, - no.

Additional we have here no salami tactic ratings, in no country and no metropole - 18+ is the line. From 18+ on anything goes. I do accept exact 2 ethical/moral things: the international human rights declaration from 1948 and the usual european constitutions - and there is from 18+ on nothing artificial restricted even not "parent guided" - this said, I will not be "Linden guided". I guide myself and everyone with a dignity and an age of 18+ will see this similar.

I hope.

Well.... We're very bendy!

-V-

/me feels the need to reply about this term, biz-spleen, but I have no idea what to say.

Ignore me. Carry on.

With a "PG continent", Linden Labs can move entire sims so nobody has to rebuild anything and the only people who get screwed are people who want a mature sim next to their PG sim.

Erm, they said you could buy an OS singularly before it was in blocks of 4, they said you can position that OS anywhere you want....even as a standalone, previously it had to be attached to other sims of that Estate. They said here you are, we'll double your prims to 3750 prims for the same price!.

What message does this send out to any potential buyer?

They themselves had a OS sim near Nauticulus region which was severly abused for the amount of content it had on there. When they were rumbled....they quickly slotted a Full sim server underneath it. Sneaky eh!

So it took LL 6 months and 15000 sold OS sims later, to figure out that bandwidth was being drained. Do we assume not 1 Linden employee ever visited a OS sim that had full content on it.....that is to say, that LL wern't aware of how their OS sims were being used?

I know this is meant to be Fantasy world......but..

We would *love* to stop arguing about the problem Kator, However, LL has decided to swat a fly with a cannon, and we're trying to convince them of the folly of their actions. We're trying to tell them that the current situation would give them what they want, if only they would enforce the TOS, and that there are other changes they could make without herding us all forcibly into another continent.

We know they aren't taking our suggestions into account, but we're trying anyway.

Call us hopeless romantics!

-V-

p.s. Good idea tho about actively policing our own folks using the PG search as a tool to find them!

With a PG continent, no one is forced to move, either. It would be entirely voluntary.

However, the cynical side of me thinks this isn't really about adult content at all, it's just an excuse for more themed land auctions. It's Naughtylus. Rather than "cleaning up" SL, I think it'll probably have exactly the opposite effect.

Q-basic?

Nice contract! although I couldn't help but notice that Yodeling wasn't on the list...


-V-

I'm sorry, but Blondin is acting how his superiors told him to act. If you replace him with another staffer, the second staffer will be required to act the same way.

And do you think that SL is emphasizing how few teen users they have? that they aren't inflating the importance of the teen/lots of disposable income market that they can bring into the mix if they clean up the main grid?

And then there are simply the suits like Nany, who will look at SL, see the wierdness, and shrug and say "I see nothing here I want our company associated with"

there are a lot of reasons to clean up the main grid, and merge the teen grid. it's about *appearances*, I think.

-V-

I'm surprised to see this dialogue going on and on.

SL provides us with the Mute option so that we don't have to listen to others' blather.

So if you are shopping or somesuch, the only way their scene would interfere with you is if they were sitting on the exact vending machine you were trying to look at. Otherwise, you can just look everywhere else instead of *staring* at them. (You've already muted them, so now your only issue is that you don't like how they look.)

So by this point, the only way they can annoy you is by shooting or bumping into you, in which case you would simply open your Bump list and file an AR.

Seriously, SL has Mute. I can't understand why this subtopic is still taking up space in this thread.

Je suis desole! What a tragic loss! but of course, if you say no biting, there would be none. I am a creature who respect boundaries, of course

-V-

Possibly. But I didn't ask to get another entry-level employee to talk to, with the same orders. I am asking to escalate this to a higher level employee with more authority and ability to actually answer the many questions we are asking. Like Blondin's Supervisor. Or their supervisor's development VP.

When dealing with customer service or product development in any reasonably effective and responsible corporation, you start with a tier 1 assistance person, who is often a help desk receptionist with no technical background, and nothing more than a database of FAQ responses and a set of troubleshooting question scripts to rely on for their responses. When they are unable to help with a non-trivial issue, you escalate the issue to a more experienced technical person, or a higher-level manager. I do this all the time in providing corporate IT support for a multi-national corporation, and dealing with a wide range of technical vendors. Even McDonalds will let you talk to the store manager if the teenaged clerk at the counter gives you bad service.

A company that refuses to allow you to escalate an unresolved issue to a higher level of employee is one that will not remain in business for very long, and will certainly not be able to attract or retain the type of serious Corporate clients that LL so desperately appears to want to win.

And if all the wierdness were gone, utterly, what would be in SL that your company WOULD be interested in? Anything?

If you are interested in our marketing data, there will be none to mine if the great wiping of SL drives us all away.

If you are interested in selling us stuff in RL, most of us are so sick to death of advertisers that we buy 2000$ machines and 1000$ fake land to escape them.

If you want a secure company-only teleconference setup, you'll need a private island. And there will be no weirdness there that you don't put in yourself.

If you are so terrified that you or a client will see something naughty in the mainland, rest assured that moving the stores which sell poseballs and pen*ses will not move the stuff folks have in their homes on the mainland.

So this move will a) negatively affect thousands of people, b) make some percentage of them quit (a number are already cashing out), c) not eliminate the potential of seeing an orgy in the mainland, d) worsen public relations rather than improve them, and e) render most of mainland an empty, uninteresting ghosttown, useful to nobody at all.

All for the sake of some prudish busybodies who won't spend dime one in SL in the first place. Me, I drop a considerable amount of coin here and have been for years. So if it's between me and some company that hasn't spent anything here, SL should take the cash it has now and be grateful for it. Grace is when you dig for worms and find gold. But what is it called when you dig for gold and find only worms?

I've been looking for the next hunt for my shop to participate in (as in treasure hunt rather than the hunter/killer thing) and I've noticed a very disturbing trend.

One hunt organiser says on the blog that porn shops are not allowed tp participate.. wtf?? they don't even bother to say what they consider porn. I'm sure that gangster/biker whore outfit shops are allowed though.

Another says they only want shops that are kid safe. I'm sorry but I thought the grid was supposed to 18+. I was almost tempted to AR that organiser for encouraging underagers to be here.

me growls

I'm just finishing up the latest hunt so if anyone wants to try out the bondage toy that I was giving out as the hunt freebie drop me a line inworld mentioning this post and I'll drop you one over. (there are *still* hunters who think that if they whine at me I'll just give it to them or tell them where it is lol)

(this is a shameless plug for bondage of course.. got to get the corruption in where I can before we're all turned into a mouseketeers )

Well, you have convinced me that the Lindens are wrong, however, how do you ever convince the self righteous of anything? There comes a point where people just do not budge. Do you ever watch Judge Judy, she is not always right, but she sure has a hard time convincing others when they are wrong about something. Likewise, when she is wrong, she doesn't have a clue.
I still like the idea of a religious war on the new XXX continent. The perverts vs the pure.
BT

Exactly- Rudeness *is* the issue. Which is why I don't hassle just *anyone* leading someone around by a leash.

In fact, I rarely hassle *anyone*. Pretty easygoing actually.

-V-

Have to agree with that one. There are times I wish the Some sort of Bloodlines akasha would come along and make them all burst into flames

Blood stored in *tanks*? the very idea!

Bloody amatures!

-V-

That's another annoying aspect of this - they are (or seem to be) making decisions based on things _other than_ techincal or marketing data.

The answer to this mess seems obvious to people that participate in the world. What they're talking about seems wrong in so many ways yet LL seems happy to plunge alone on its merry way anyway..


What about the purely perverted?

You mean there's no spanking on the adult grid?! I know several people who will be *very* upset! (including me!

-V-

Ceera, do you really expect LL to assign a higher-level employee to sit and sort through over 4000 posts, most of which just repeat the same old stuff over and over, trying to find the nuggets?

I doubt they will do that. If Blondin IS entry-level (and I don't that we know that do we?) then this is exactly what he should be doing. What we are missing are the status reports, outside of the "we're working on it" and the one or two questions thrown out there.

i think that everybody, on all sides of this debate, are getting a bit tired and frustrated at hearing NOTHING from LL on this subject in what seems a long, long while.

I wonder if a lot of people would want to move to any ghetto continent (no matter whether it is PG, adult, or for green bunnies). Not because they have anything to do with the issue, but because they do not want to be part of the oppresors?

And there still hasn't been any in-world announcement of this decision. I have been notecarding merchants I know, and spreading the word, but the number of people who haven't heard about this is apalling, considering the breadth of the effect LL hopes to achieve.

-V-