Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Sadly, I was rather hoping for kinky rather than bitey. Unless of course you have caps for the fangs.

I'm not really good with the pain thing and the only people who ever get my blood are the blood bank. I know, how terribly selfish of me.

For the love of god, and your own mother, *please* don't show that to anyone at LL! They send us all to friggin' *siberia!*

-V-

Although the opposite case could be made to: sex sells. Name a media that it has not been on. In fact, it could even be argued that it spurs many new technologies to be invented in the first place and accelerates mass acceptance.

Forget porn though, look at where it came from. Do you *really* think suits would want to trust an idea that came from hippie-land? Philip based it on the ideals of Burning Man. What Mitch wants to do with this continent is in direct opposition to those founding principles.

When it all comes down to it, it is just cartoon pixels and the imaginations of the residents. So segregating any part is silly ... people will still have the same thoughts.

That many?? be still my beating heart. They're going to inconvenience thousands of people who've put down roots here for 600 kids and a couple of corporations?

please refer to my answer to your previous post, Kyle. the issue isn't the mere *fact* of the relationship, or even the leash. the issue is the disrespect show by attempting to force me to take an active role in proceedings without my consent, and then behaving like a jackass when I courteously ask them to please refrain from doing so.
If the slaveowner feels perfectly comfortable with trying to force my participation in open chat, then I have no qualms whatever about dealing with him in open chat. Or with his slave(s) for that matter, should they decide that they too have the right to have *everyone* play their game, to their liking, to everyone else's detriment.

Honestly Kyle, Isn't it just a little unreasonable of this person to expect the whole world to not only *accept* their personal kinks (reasonable), but to *cater* to them, and to bend over backwards so that they never, ever, have to take anyone else's feelings into consideration?

They should only ever have to see what *They* want to see? and nobody is ever allowed to do anything that rains on their parade?

I mean, seriously, who does that remind *you* of?

-V-

and 1 native american indian, lets not forget her... though why her heritage has anything to do with it i have no idea.

To me watching some poor wretch of either gender bunny hopping along behind their "Dominant" is the equivalent of watching a newbie running around with woody attached.

It just shows a lack of style and understanding.

As for getting your girls to respond to derisive comments, well, I don't really have to point out that you're supposed to be the "man" in that relationship and you're supposed to be protecting them now do I??

you can't even defend your actions you have to rely on your subs to do it? see my first point for how I classify that.

Exactly how many people play WOW? last check there were over 1.5 million SL residents.....

In real life you potentially get exposed every day to people who believe in different behaviors that you may not be in agreement with, and whose appearance and actions you might find offensive.

You walk through a shopping mall, and see a woman with a scarf wrapped around her head, her face veiled, and walking submissively three steps behind a male. They are buying clothes for her, but he does all the talking and buying...

You go downtown and while you wait for a bus, you have to listen to a street preacher with a megaphone, ranting that everyone in the area is a pack of sinners.

You go to a nightclub and see two women or two men dancing with each other and kissing in public.

You are shoping in a large store, and see a grade school aged girl wearing a miniskirt, and her mommy is buying for that girl a bright pink shirt that says in glittery letters "I am daddy's sex toy". (Yes, shirts saying just that really have been sold in little kid sizes at a major US store chain!)

You are relaxing and home and the doorbell rings. It's two clean cut men in dress shirts, slacks, and ties, who want to "Talk to you about your relationship with God."...

You go to a tavern, and the waitresses are all dressed in very low cut blouses and miniskirt "kilts" with a thong under the skirt. And you get plenty of chances to see the thongs...

You walk into a bar and encounter several men with shaved heads and Nazi tattoos.

You walk into a business meeting and the presenter, who is trying to get your business to hiire hers as a subcontractor, somehow feels it is necessary to have a little fish icon in the corner of every slide of her PowerPoint Presentation, and is wearing a rather garish rhinestone encrusted cross with a scroll on it that says "Born Again".

You walk into the local farmers market and see someone wearing a T-shirt proclaiming "Pagan and Proud".

You go to a news stand to buy a paper, and see a middle aged man at the register next to you, purchasing several adult magazines and videos, with very graphic covers.

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Some of these encounters may offend you more than others. Some may not offend you in the slightest, and may even mark that person as a potential new friend.

Should they all be seggregated into little communities of similar tastes, just so someone won't be offended by seeing them? Doesn't work that way in most of the Real world. Why should SL have to be that intolerant?

wow has 11 million, it had a huge fanbase from diablo 2 and warcraft 3, there is no way that SL will pull in thos people unless they make it a solid "game" with loot that you can show off, and makes you more powerfull than others, the whole draw to Wow is that people like to do nothing and get something so they can say they are better than everyone else, it's a game for REALLY lazy people

Wonderful post Ceera. I totally agree with you. I hope LL sees that even in real life you cant expect to never encounter something that may offend someone.

According to SLNamewatch.com, there are 14,985,304 SL accounts.

SL is not WoW, and shouldn't try to be.

I'm no fan of the Gorean RP for the reasons you list and a few dozen more. I have no problem at all with you objecting to being treated rudely. My comment is simply that to find a Dom/Domme with a slave knelt and leashed offensive in and of itself, if they behave civilly in other respects, is an unreasonable imposition of a one person's values on another.

If your issue is with jerks being rude, then rude is rude, leash or not.

- Kyle

Does this sound familiar?

"Legislation
Proposed Australian laws on Internet censorship are sometimes referred to as the Great Australian Firewall, Firewall Australia or Great Firewall Reef (a reference to Great Barrier Reef and the Great Firewall of China)[5]

A collection of both federal and state laws apply, but the most important are the provisions of Schedule 5 of the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 inserted in 1999 and since amended.[6] Under this regime, if a complaint is issued about material "on the Internet" the ACMA is empowered to examine the material under the guidelines for film and video. If the material would be classified R18+ or X18+ and the site does not have an adult verification system, or would be refused classification, and is hosted in Australia, the ABA is empowered to issue a "takedown notice" under which the material must be removed from the site. If the site is hosted outside Australia, the site is added to a list of banned sites. This list of banned sites is then added to filtering software, which must be offered to all consumers by their Internet Service Providers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia

This came from this page that goes into detail about the proposed internet filtering software in Austrilia. this articule also talks about other countries in the U.K. that filter sites that contain illegal content. I think that they have found age play and other types of graphic sex and are requiring Linden labs to make new policies about adult content since teens are able to access the adult grid easily. not to mention the new laws in the U.K. about violent porn. the last I heard Europeans make up the largest part of the population in Second Life, if they were blocked, that would be an even bigger loss than a few people who leave Second Life because they cannot have their porn.
Having all the adult areas seperated and restricted to people who have proved their age also makes it easier for Linden Labs to restrict access to those areas by people whose I.P. address comes from a any country that has told Linden Labs not to allow their citizens into these areas for what ever reason by maybe removing the code that allows an account to enter an adult area after verifiying.
This is what I see happening and yelling at Linden Labs will not change anything, their hands are tied too.

What constitutes extreme? Are we talking about Dolcett (sp?) sims? How extreme does it have to be before it's too extreme for mature? Cannibalism? Bloodplay? Decapitating woman in bondage and f*cking their stump of a neck? Somehow, I don't think these changes are JUST going to affect this small niche. I consider myself fairly "naughty" and what is vanilla to me may be extreme to others. Basically, my personal view of extreme is probably several levels above where someone else's might be.

So.... whose definition of extreme do we use? I consider strippers and vanilla escort services to be pretty tame and boring. Definitely not extreme, but from the feedback I've seen on the forums, these places will be forced to move. So... *this* is "extreme"?

Jack. I disagree your assertion that this will only affect the "most extreme" of content. Not only is that label meaningless, but even if you define it with your own special definition, it won't be as narrow in scope as you are implying.

Also... I disagree with forcing people to move to a themed continent. Not everyone running adult content will want to be forced to reside in a futuristic city. This restricts creativity and stamps out "their imagination". Where is the "choice" in that?

Now... if Ursula is going to be a furustic city full of snuff and cannibalism, I don't think I'll be visiting it. I'll go back to the mainland where there is some more tasteful (to me) BDSM stuff hidden away in private via invite only groups. Yeah, I think those will still exist in the underground.

It's hard not to take it as a joke when you advocate putting them on the same XXX continent as us perverts. As to finding the imposition of religious values as, or more, annoying than two unwanted fangs in your neck, we can agree on that.

- Kyle

At least we can fight like adults. If it was the teen grid you would have to consider running the the possibility of spanking the offender. How will this change, will we only be able to squabble on the Adult grid?
BT

lol. Tell me about it. Although it's still pretty tame compared to all the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen I was brought up on.

And as for the good Reverend Dodgson... well!

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Aes

This is not a problem of LL and SL, but the problem of the U.K and Australia. They voted for the censors, now they have to live with them.

You seem to be working under the assumption that Nany is actually trying to 'get it' or do anything else productive here. Fix that and she'll end up on your ignore list pretty quickly.

since when have LL listened to other countries?

You completely misunderstand me. It's not a matter of relying on them. It's a matter of being proud of their cutting wit and protectiveness of their place in my family. If I wanted witless, slaves with no minds, no sense of themselves, I'd get blow-up dolls. You'd probably have to ask them if they feel protected and happy in their submission but they do tend to stay mine for a very long time so, for us, things are usually just right. Every relationship is different and so is every Dom/Domme.

- Kyle

Just don't f*cking do it!

Just don't f*cking do it!

Just don't f*cking do it!

Just don't f*cking do it!

That is how 85% of your PAYING USERS feel.

God I am resorting to Spamming now....

But LL you aren't listening. You are about to kill SL. Is that what you want?

Listen to your PAYING USERS or tell us the real reasons behind it if there are legal reasons so we f*cking understand where you are coming from....jesus!

Thanks!

Please consider unintended consequences, some of which are showing up on this forum. This decision might validate and embolden those with an external locus of control. Please consult with social psychologists before you proceed.

1 million on a hidden graveyard-continent (means: once logged in and never again), 250 000 bots, 125 000 active players, with 125 000 alts. 80 000 logged in at prime times, but 40 000 are bots, the rest has occassionaly bible-hour, botox-party or brown bag meetings (means in translation: sex with a secret lover - but hubbies and wifes are thinking, these would be urgent biz-meetings *waves to the lab-staff*)

No wonder that they need to add the Burning-Teen-Money concept additional to the Burning-Man-Money concept, to bring some fresh victims for their adult-tentacles in, wich are sneaking in every available pocket to grab some cash in exchange for lag and trouble of all sorts.

A normal company would change nothing, but lower the tier fees dramatically to create 10 - 20 - 50 million active and stable members.

As far as I know, they use basicly not much other equipment for a sim than ISPs, and mine charges 2,50 Euro (wich is 2 dollar and something I think) for an ultrafast and ultramodern complete-service per month... and this in my small country Austria... - including all up-to-date tools and services and not a single crash in meanwhile 7 years but every year additional 1000 GB additional webspace for free and no activation fee plus a 24/7 customer service made from finest and extra-friendly quality - wich brought me to the idea, that our beloved second life could be possibly a "bit" overpriced...

(lol)