Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Do you think she (often a male player) chose to be on a leash and humiliated in public or do you think the male AV (often not a male player) reached into his monitor and grabbed her mouse and made her put on the collar?

It's no less problematic to object to the humiliation of a woman who gets off on it than it is to fail to object to it if it hurts her feelings.

Here's a hint about D/S. The sub *gives* the control in exchange for the freedom. She has all the power to take the control right back. It's an exchange based on trust and understanding.

In SL it is as easy as a single command: ".newowner <her name> in chat and if he's a real jerk, right-click 'Mute'.

- Kyle

just because the two of them get their jollies in that way does not give them the right to inflict it on me.

Consent is the cornerstone of BDSM remember? Assuming you are part of the rl BDSM community that is and know this.

Once you take it out onto the streets you're just doing performance art for shock value. Offending the sensibilities of others is just childish and selfish in this case because D/s in that form is well and truly outside society's norm.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with performance art at all, as long as you understand the audience you're playing to and the response you hope to elicit.

I'm offended when i see the slave jump when I'm out shopping but what I usually do is just strike up a conversation and then belittle the so called "master" in chat. Embarrassment is a beautiful thing and fully fits in with your premise that you're perfectly entitled to do your own thing whenever and wherever you want to.

I do the same with those damn talking pregnancies and nappies too. they are much higher on my scale of offensive things.

I'd rather not though, I'd rather just continue my shopping.

Oh? Citation, please.

Thanks, I suspected that was the difference but was not positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1A4BqX7n44

SL busness already works fine... check it out!

I was slightly mistaken on the definition of PIU. An account that is PIU does not necessarily have payment information currently on file. It only marks an account that had payment info on file at one time and used it to purchase something (thanks, Spunke).

How will this affect age-verification through payment information? Is PIU going to require current payment information on file? Or will the PIU status itself be sufficient?

LL are to ban terrorism! All users must be racially and religiously verified!!!

All IM and voice chat will no longer be just monitored but recorded and held as per rl for 5 years.

All weapons creators and script providers must be registered and consent to transactions been held in database and available to intelligence agencies without request.

Similarly all RP sims will be monitored for terrorist training

All L$ transaction are to be made available to regional inland revenue departments for income calculations, VAT and state tax appraisal and will be monitored for potential money laundering

All Estate Land Sales (sorry rental) will be subjected to tenancy agreements in line with regional laws and subject to such laws.

Texture uploading of copyright material will be illegal and UUID of such textures will be removed from the asset server database...

New laws to be introduced to prevent teens from marrying when the grids are combined

Nekos to be removed as cross species romance is unchristian

Ditto Goreans

Gays

Child Avitars to be age verified and show rl age not sl age in profiles

Sailing in sl only for those with internationally recognised sailing certificates

Condoms to be provided with all xcite products!

SERIOUSLY THOUGH>>>>>>>>>

what a waste of time this discussion, we are playing a game whose rules are made by it's creators. The rules are changing, the decisions already been made and LL are seeking advice on the small print.

nearly every post I have read opposes this censoring of "our world"

the decision have been made for reasons we are well aware of and LL are seeking to appease the majority by inviting discussion which will allow it to carefully word the new enforcements and minimise loss of revenue,

Wake up everyone, Nanny State is the New World Order, it's the goal of those who hold power.

Business income for adult enterprises will fall as the number of avitars allowed access to AO sims is limited, land values will fall across the grid as a new continent is filled and the old one empties even more....

I wonder just how many Christian fundamentalists are making the decisions in LL as their management style seems awfully similar to our western governments

Guess we are all gonna crash too)

Now do I sell my land now or take a gamble that this will not make sl less enticing for the casual user and land prices and business in sl will boom as we are cleansed and regulated!

Ok I'll wait and gamble, hehe its the only form of gambling left in secondlife, your investment)))))

If you are objecting to a clothed slave on a leash using PG, or, more likely G language and calling that 'inflicting' then you need to get over it. Like, now. I have long ago gotten over crucifixes, yarmulkes, burkas, veils, kippah, the pride rainbow or pink triangle or metal fish icon on the back of a car. Do I find some significant portion of these symbols to represent things I find distasteful? You betcha! Do I accept that those who display them have a right to do so? Yes.

I have long gotten over seeing all manner of visible evidence of cultural, religious or sexual orientation displayed like a badge on a shirt. The day you restrict what is, for all intents and purposes not meaningfully more 'inflicting' of any image than the one that evokes the horrific image of a dying man nailed to two crossed pieces of wood, stabbed and left to die of exposure and ecsanguination then you've crossed a line. No pun intended.

And yes... This standard I would impose RL.

Oh, and as for the 'belittling' of the "Master/Miss" in open chat, that transcends rude but I get an enormous kick out of watching one of my girls filet those who try it while I just stand and watch.

- Kyle

It just hit me. I've worked it out. I know what the problem is. o.o

And I mean *THE* problem. The entire reason behind this discussion.

SL is trying to be 2 things at the same time. It's trying to be reality, and fantasy at the same time.

If SL was all completely fantasy, then we could all just sit back and say, "Well it's fantasy, so whatever happens, happens, it's not real, so if you don't like what you see, move on, leave".

But SL isn't completely fantasy. We have currency, real business's, education institutions etc etc. It's not all fastasy. Half of us are playing a game, the other half are here for very real things. That's why we're having trouble mixing! Fantasy and reality can't connect on the same universe! Your either real, or your not.

To a certain extent, what Nany was talking about before is true. Some of us are just characters, just made up fantasies that we're playing out. Some of us are people pretending to be something.

But others are real, some of us are as real as ... well.. picture it like MSN, or Yahoo Messenger, some of us are just virtual representations of us, and it's a means of communicating.

What SL needs is a means of separating the the people who use it for each thing. Because normally that's what you do, keep them separate!!

People sign up to World of Warcraft, to play a fantasy world. People signup to MSN to communicate. People get into Facebook to socialise with real people in a real way.

Second Life is trying to be all of those at the same time, to attract more people. And it's not working.



... That's my theory anyway.


In real life, yea, we don't do BDSM in public. Because people might not be able to tell if those doing so are doing it as a roleplay, or for real. If someone sayes, "Get on the ground slut, and crawl like a dog". How is a person who just entered the room meant to know if the person who said it means it, or is just acting?

Also, we don't do it in real life, because not everyone might want to join in.

So lets apply the same logic to SL... right? .. can't. SL isn't real life! That is the problem! It's not real life, and can't be! We can fly, we can hold our breath for hours and hours, we have infinite strength, we can't be harmed etc.. Some of us aren't even human, or regularly change our gender and species.

SL isn't real life. SL isn't fantasy. SL is real. SL is fake. WHAT ARE WE?!? We have this problem because we have tried to mix the two together somehow, and we've failed completely.

We have two options. Either remove:
- Flying
- Ability to change your appearance
- Any species other than humans
- Teleporting
etc etc.. And make Second Life, real. OR:

Declare all of SL fantasy, and:
- Remove currency
etc

So it won't be used for things like what corporations use it for.

No not at all, I was merely stating I don't know, I was thinking cartoon death should be mature rated couldn't think of any reason why it shouldn't be but, then thought if you just say cartoon depictions of death are allowed, some sicko will dream up something you never expected.

It's not our job to fine tune the exact details of what is allowed or not.
That's for the Lindens to decide, I am just putting out a few thoughts.

Which has NOTHING to do with this thread.

Which has NOTHING to do with this thread.
In other words, you can't find anyone actually posting anything to prop up your claims. As usual.

Filtered search results won't keep people searching for "furniture" from finding "sex beds". Filtered search results are won't keep any of the other PG searches from pulling up Adult content when the Adult content is tagged with PG labels. All it will do is make people MORE likely to accidentally teleport into a store selling stuff they don't like.

The only thing that will fix your problem with search is actually enforcing their existing policies.

Who do you think pays for all the upgrades and things that go on with SL, surely not you and all your crying... GO TO THE TEEN GRID.... block everyone from advertising, sure everyone looses money, what do you do to make money there btw, how much do you contribute to anything.... (shakes her head and wonders just how old she really is, 12 betting maybe 14 at most....)

You might as well argue for eliminating any car that can move faster than a running horse because that's unrealistic.

No Nany you have proven that Search is broken and you can see results for sex show up in Search, you would still have to make the choice to teleport there to see it.

Patasha

No, because that's possible. O.o

Instantaneous teleporting though..

The point was, either SL should be made real, or it should be fantasy. Right now, it's been advertised as both, and everyone is claiming both sides in this debate that has lasted over 250 pages.

Just a random thought - things are already taking a turn for the worse. Land prices have been sliding downward pretty steadily (at least 'bottom of the barrel' land prices which is all I can easily see) and now linden is selling for almost 10L/$ less then it was just last week. Granted there are always fluctuations in the market but wow the economic indicators that are readily obvious dont look good

Excellent points! It makes a lot of sense.

FWIW, Linden Labs already has mechanisms in place for those "real" entities who need presence and do not desire to interact with the "fantasy". These entities are given their own private sim(s) along with a private gateway to that sim(s).

However, if a business wishes to be able to conduct business with the general SL population, that business is going to have to realize that SL is its own world, its own culture, with its own customs and idioms. Just like a company wishing to conduct business in the Middle East will need to be thoroughly familiar with the customs and culture of that region, so to should companies wishing to conduct business with the SL populace. A successful company is one that accepts the culture for what it is, embraces it, and markets to it. A company attempting to do business with the SL populace while refusing to accept it as a wholly unique world with unique cultures and views will simply not survive.

What makes the SL populace and culture unique?
- We are not restricted to a specific gender.
- We are not restricted to a specific species.
- We can fly.
- We can teleport.
- Our culture is derived from a melding of real-world cultures worldwide, but shares no similarity to any one real-world culture.
- Our culture is unabashedly open to concepts such as inter-species relationships, nudity, and sexual relations.
- Our people are not constrained by the basic needs of food, clothing, and shelter.
- Our culture is generally not divisible by race, although real-world regionality may play a role in defining subcultures.
- We cannot die. Therefore the concept of death is foreign to this culture, and we may behave accordingly (know anyone who base-dives without a parachute and lives to tell about it in RL?)

Anything else to add to this list?

"Welcome to the Second Life world.
We are a global community working together to build a new online space for creativity, collaboration, commerce, and entertainment. We strive to bridge cultures and welcome diversity. We believe in free expression, compassion and tolerance as the foundation for community in this new world."
http://secondlife.com/community/
I don't believe that much anymore, but thought it would be worth quoting.

"5. Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines."
http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

Everytime I think I've worked this out, I read just alittle bit more, and everything doesn't make sense again.. according to Linden Lab's own website, "Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive", all apparently is intended for Mature parcels. Yet now all of that is intended for the Adult parcels. So if anyone less than that is for the PG areas, and anything that includes that is for Adult. What is going to be in Mature? O.o Nothing?

"Second Life is a complex society, and it can take some time for new Residents to gain a full understanding of local customs and mores."
http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

I agree, and even LL does! D:

personally i don't see how anything we do should be of anyone elses concern. last i checked i wasnt ploting world domination by having an avitar that dances on a pole. or by being a submissive to Others. but, honestly why does age virification have to be only in proof that we have a credit card on our account or not?. the fact that i'm on sl not tsl should be enough proof that i'm over 18 and old enough to go to any adult places. yes there are some minors who go on sl, but that is in the fault of the parents there. if they paid attention to what their kids had on their computers then there wouldn't be any need for proof of age.
on top of that duh, and the fact that there are many, including myself, who don't trust to have their credit card info attached to a game for just anyone to hack into. personally i've always wondered about how perverted some of these puritans are. you do realize that teachers and almost anyone who works with kids are the most perverted and are also the ones to point the fingers first.

And that you need to advertise here?

Sidenote: I don't believe advertisings before I had a chance to check the quality and the functions of the product under realistic conditions.

Patasha, Linden Lab specifically cites changes to Search filtering as one of three key motivations for this policy change. Why do you suppose they did that?

: ) It is customary for the vast majority of people in this forum to advertise their sex practices. Someone expressed concern about mine, so I was just assuring him, I'm fine.

"Why Can't my Teen be on the Second Life® World for Adults?

The Second Life world for adults is an exciting and attractive place, and some teens may be tempted to try to access it. However, the adult Second Life world is just that: adult. It is not intended for minors, and some of the content is geared toward mature users over 18 years of age."
http://teen.secondlife.com/parents

What the hell?! It's *EXACTLY* what we've been saying! We've been saying this for almost 300pages now! This is crazy, why can't LL even see that they are going completely against everything they are saying! X_X!

There is only 2 reasons for doing what they are doing.
- Merging grids
... Which ofcourse they won't do, because just read the above, it sayes it all over their site, they are against, and with good reason.
- For people complaining about what they are saying
... Which goes against everything they said about tolerance, and everything they said about in the website. Sex, Nudity, Voilence, all that stuff is allowed in Mature Parcels, and that's where it is. Any stuff that isn't in the Mature parcels is in the wrong location. So, like, what?! There is no reason!

God my head hurts, I'm trying soooo hard to understand the reason behind this, and I just can't. It actually hurts! My head hurts!

If the parcels were marked correctly, the search would be right too. And to enforce all these new changes will require doing the same thing anyway.

There is only one, possible, logical, explanation behind ANY of this. They want money.

If this was about verifying accounts, they could just require verification for accounts going to Mature parcels. Hell! They could do it for the whole grid. (If the actual verification process worked). Since we are meant to be adults anyway. Hell, they don't even need to do so, all they need to do is make sure the user agrees that they are over 18, and they are already safe.

The only reason there is for this, is that they are trying to make money. Grr! They are all trying to mask and cover this up with 'providing choice'. And letting anyone who doesn't like anything adult do the complaining to try and justify this all. They are using those who are intolerant to justify the reason.

Why the hell do I still even play this stupid game?


.. sorry, rant over. I'm done.