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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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01-07-2008 17:56
Ooh, ignorant, abrasive, *and* a land-cutter. HAWT! And by all accounts a "tad bit a firecracker". Her words not mine (tho I struggle to find any of this female behaviour, however that is just my opinion). She should come see those of us who are entirely one sexy tamale!!! Carl ... your point about mega-farms of 256 and more rings horribly, horribly true ... ***edited to correct the typo "demale" instead of female. LOL. |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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01-07-2008 17:59
I used to buy up 32 and 64 meter square plots for SLBoutique ads. I did it by the sides of roads, and would sell at the price I paid for them (typically L$100 or L$200) to any adjacent neighbor who wanted them. In fact, I made quite a few friends that way. To do anything beyond that is a black mark on your soul, because you're destroying someone else's experience for nothing more than a dollar or two. Why don't people think sometimes? Argh. Ad farmers make Mr. Burns from the Simpsons look generous and compassionate. Regards, -Flip Because the vast majority of people are selfish ... want the world their way, pay lip service and when it's a case of seeing someone else's point of view they are there in fair weather only. Though the exceptions are all the sweeter to find as a result. |
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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01-07-2008 18:08
Because the vast majority of people are selfish ... want the world their way, pay lip service and when it's a case of seeing someone else's point of view they are there in fair weather only. It is indeed, though, sad that in SL a relatively small minority are enabled to diminish the world for fairly paltrty gain. I am not convinced that effective policing would be impossible for LL; look what relatively little policing did to the gambling industry. If LL made it illegal, and then ad farmers began to simply lose their land randomly, it would be a much less attractive industry. |
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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01-07-2008 18:11
Please don't cross post.
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
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01-07-2008 18:36
Please don't cross post. _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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01-07-2008 18:41
I know not why, but my world is sunnier than yours, Cherry. It is indeed, though, sad that in SL a relatively small minority are enabled to diminish the world for fairly paltrty gain. I am not convinced that effective policing would be impossible for LL; look what relatively little policing did to the gambling industry. If LL made it illegal, and then ad farmers began to simply lose their land randomly, it would be a much less attractive industry. Ah ah ah ... now that's making an assumption that is not true. I refer to the LAST point ... re exceptions to this rule, and they are the people in my world ... the rest are left in the open access area where people can come in. I agree with that point though. I think it's appalling that these practices are able to thrive. |
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Dnali Anabuki
Still Crazy
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,633
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01-07-2008 18:53
Red to the bone wasna... red to the bone! Aho Mitakuye Oyasin! As someone who works with First Nations rights in RL, I do wish you wouldn't use your heritage in this way...it seems unseemly to me as it is a noble one being used for unusually selfish ends. I don't think the Red Road includes this kind of behaviour. Where I come from, they would ask you to attend a healing ceremony because you have lost harmony with your fellow beings on Mother Earth. I understand that you may be under financial pressures but what you may make in money you are losing in spirit. |
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Puppet Shepherd
New Year, New Tricks
Join date: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 725
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01-07-2008 19:03
Yep. There's many reasons to own a microplot that have nothing to do with land extortion, spamming, or anything else nefarious. Very true - there are many legit reasons to own less than 256 sq.m. in a sim, and you can do quite a bit with small lots if you are prim-savvy. WITHOUT using temp rezzers, even.  IF it would help, I think a lot of people who use small lots for other purposes would give them up for the greater good of stopping ad lot extorters. However, these ad people would find ways to work with the new lot size limit to make our SL experience even more unpleasant. They're like cockroaches, always find a way to thrive despite the circumstances, and they'll still be here after we're all dead and gone. And if they rest are anything like C.E., they'll do their best to make our lives hell before we go. _____________________
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Dnali Anabuki
Still Crazy
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,633
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01-07-2008 19:14
Robin Linden was at an event today and ad farmers were discussed.
In response to my question, she said that LL has a long term commitment to the Mainland and is considering several possibilities including an object mute. The concern with object mute was that someone would figure a way around it and LL would be in an escalating situation against the next clever script to counter it. The other possibility they were considering was zoning and she said that they were eager for residents to share their ideas about how either of these solutions could work. I didn't get the sense that LL didn't care about the Mainland so much as they were not really sure what things would really work and wanted to think things through before trying something. I was very happy to hear that ad farming was considered a real problem and that LL knows most residents despise them. It may be they actually realize that the selfish actions of a few could topple the dreams of many. |
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3Ring Binder
always smile
Join date: 8 Mar 2007
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01-07-2008 19:45
It may be they (the Lindens) actually realize that the selfish actions of a few could topple the dreams of many. not to mention their (the Lindens) income. |
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Okiphia Anatine
Okiphia Rayna
Join date: 22 Nov 2007
Posts: 454
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01-07-2008 19:47
not to mention their (the Lindens) income. Not that much really.. if people don't go to mainland they'll just go to islands, which generally dont actually provide much less all in all once you include the initial purchase fee. People won't abandon SL because of adfarms, they'll just abandon mainland, at which point adfarms will take over completely, which still gets LL paid, just by the farmers instead of people who want to live or run a business there _____________________
In-world, I am Okiphia Rayna. This account is an alt, and is the only account I currently have with payment info on-file due to some account cracking that took place. This is a security measure at present, and I may return to the forums as Okiphia Rayna at a later date.
If you need to reach me, IM Okiphia Rayna, not Okiphia Anatine |
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3Ring Binder
always smile
Join date: 8 Mar 2007
Posts: 15,028
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01-07-2008 19:50
look beyond tomorrow.
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Starfire Desade
Can I play with YOUR mind
Join date: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 404
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01-07-2008 20:04
Robin Linden was at an event today and ad farmers were discussed. In response to my question, she said that LL has a long term commitment to the Mainland and is considering several possibilities including an object mute. The concern with object mute was that someone would figure a way around it and LL would be in an escalating situation against the next clever script to counter it. The other possibility they were considering was zoning and she said that they were eager for residents to share their ideas about how either of these solutions could work. I didn't get the sense that LL didn't care about the Mainland so much as they were not really sure what things would really work and wanted to think things through before trying something. I was very happy to hear that ad farming was considered a real problem and that LL knows most residents despise them. It may be they actually realize that the selfish actions of a few could topple the dreams of many. Give us the ability to mute and make prims/objects owned by anyone on our ban list invisible (not rendered) from within our parcel. |
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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01-07-2008 20:44
It takes from one to four prims to hide an adfarm from view. I don't see the problem. (of course, they have to be megaprims, but what the heck, they're free on SL Exchange.) Back when I had that 512m plot with only 117 prims, I didn't have 1-4 prims to block things. Not without taking things I wanted out, back into my inventory. Simply put, this is a poor solution. Though the only viable one we are left with. Robin Linden was at an event today and ad farmers were discussed. In response to my question, she said that LL has a long term commitment to the Mainland and is considering several possibilities including an object mute. The concern with object mute was that someone would figure a way around it and LL would be in an escalating situation against the next clever script to counter it. The other possibility they were considering was zoning and she said that they were eager for residents to share their ideas about how either of these solutions could work. I didn't get the sense that LL didn't care about the Mainland so much as they were not really sure what things would really work and wanted to think things through before trying something. I was very happy to hear that ad farming was considered a real problem and that LL knows most residents despise them. It may be they actually realize that the selfish actions of a few could topple the dreams of many. If LL wants suggestions, I tell LL to simply ask. Lindens ~could~ ask questions here in RA you know. Might spark some debates and a few hotheaded posts, but I'm betting the majority would be as it should be; Helpful answers and suggestions froma myrid of minds and resources. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm". ~Jessy PS They could also read this thread as several suggests were give through the previous posts. _____________________
When your friend does somethign stupid:
Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do. |
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,707
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01-07-2008 22:24
You are correct to a point my friend but it depends the settings. I worked diligently to be sure my ads were both sim and resident friendly. IM me in world and I will let you test my set ups if you wish. They are very minimal impact on sim resources. I invite anyone to come take a look at all three designs in my park. So you'd have no problems making a fence of 50 of these things around your home? _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107) |
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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01-07-2008 22:35
If everyone did it, it would definitely be fighting back. Later today, I'll be buying up around 50 of these 16m plots and donating to AP. (If I find the time =/) If that isnt helping beautify my sim, I don't know what is. Which of course is exactly what they want, you announcing that just doubled the price on 16m plots. These are people who put $1m on a 16m plot. The $6k you pay them for it will allow them to buy another big block some where else like next to a friends land, to cut up into another dozen adfarms for $6k each. _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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01-07-2008 22:56
There's power in numbers. Maybe all those alts individually went and fielded ARs aplenty. The face shown here would mesh with gaming the AR system. Remember, the more ARs received the more LL are ABLE to act. Well if running 100 alts for gaming traffic stats is ok then using them to AR people should be ok too, coming soon......... the AR Bot!  _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
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01-07-2008 22:57
*In before the lockdown*  Umm zero points you missed the lock by more than 3 pages _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,707
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01-07-2008 23:01
Agreed. A 'stop paying them' is not going to happen. Mass Civil Disobedience has changed RL. Revolution is way more difficult in SL because 'the man' has infinitely more database powers than can be dreamt of by a RL despot. Mass action within the terms of the TOS might get LL's attention. It might certainly get media attention, which in turn ..... I'd hazard a guess that people might be prepared to continually try to TP into any currently non-swamped Linden Welcome area -- just to see for themselves if there is any basis in the talk of them being griefer paradises, you understand. I really don't see people sacrificing their land. SL Civil Disobedience presupposes a forum that is not controlled by LL. Otherwise people could just disappear into the fog and night. Perhaps we should all turn a Lindens office hour into a mass town hall meeting and just keep chanting "we want Phil!" or just call our own town hall meeting, have a heated debate then storm off to make an impact. We need a slogan that will catch on to the masses, like WELCOME TO ADFARM AND BOTLIFE! Ok, I'm crap at making slogans, I can cheese people off though?  _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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01-07-2008 23:04
Please don't cross post. Umm noob question from 14month resident, how do we know if we are crossposting? Is it like newsgroups where this reply shows in multiple threads somehow unless we turn it off, in which case, sorry for crossposting I don't see a "don't crosspost replies" option anywhere? _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
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01-07-2008 23:06
Give us the ability to mute and make prims/objects owned by anyone on our ban list invisible (not rendered) from within our parcel. You can make them invisible but that doesn't hide the lag caused by temp rezzers, and just adds to it by making your system work to hide things _____________________
Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan]
Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107) |
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 6,256
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01-08-2008 00:06
LL is basically saying, "Don't like ad farms? Buy your own sim."
It is a great solution. Until your tier date rolls around. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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01-08-2008 00:29
You can make them invisible but that doesn't hide the lag caused by temp rezzers, and just adds to it by making your system work to hide things No but I was just saying yesterday (have always said we should be able to choose to hide something not ON our own parcel - saves rendering them - and it should be easy enough serverside to say a 0 as a 1) there should be some sort of overlay alternative patch that is shown instead. Easier said than done maybe. |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
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01-08-2008 00:32
Well if running 100 alts for gaming traffic stats is ok then using them to AR people should be ok too, coming soon......... the AR Bot! Probably how the OP managed to get banned, one assumes. Being the recipient of ARs from ... |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
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01-08-2008 00:34
Not that much really.. if people don't go to mainland they'll just go to islands, which generally dont actually provide much less all in all once you include the initial purchase fee. People won't abandon SL because of adfarms, they'll just abandon mainland, at which point adfarms will take over completely, which still gets LL paid, just by the farmers instead of people who want to live or run a business there You're missing a point. There are no more islands atm. People won't abandon mainland either. |