Ad Farms + Beacons way up in air! Yikes!

True, but a big difference here is that even a 512m plot shows evidence of a sense of "community".

That build on my nieghbor's small 512m plot might be ugly as sin to me, but either it's what they like, or they are trying. In this case, good relations with your neighbors comes in handy. I can offer build advice/help (trying to be nice in case it IS what they wanted), and if that is what they wanted, then we can talk and see if a comprimise can be reached so both of us are happy (I'm sure any nieghbor of mine doesn't want to look at an "ugly" blocking wall either).

Ad-farms are (usually) on 16m plots. When this is the ONLY bit of land in that sim, then this is the type that can become an annoyance very quickly.

And as for the land-extortionists, whom put up spinning, ugly signs with a 16m plot set to sell for 9999L$.....well, I'm sorry, but I think these plots should simply be siezed by LL. While it is true that we should be allowed to set a for sale price of any amount we like, there comes a point where common sense kicks in.

A bare plot of 16m for 9999L$ is not extortion. This is saying if you want it, you're gonna pay for it.

A 16m plot with signs that show political figures, particles, porn (in any facet, no matter the nature of the sim), or even ANY scripting what-so-ever in them, with a price of 9999L$ is extortion.

And anyone who wants to argue semantics on those examples can get right in line behind any other criminal who "justifies" their actions by hiding behind loopholes in the law.

Sadly, SL is mirroring RL where right and wrong is still very plain and easy to see, but justice has become a grey area because we're afraid of stepping on the "rights" of criminals.

~Jessy

Right, but I think "mute for all visitors to parcel" is critical, so we have some control of our environment. It's a virtual world, after all: there's no inherent reason why I shouldn't have Svarga and the Forum Hangout as neighbors today and something completely different tomorrow, but I can live with just being able to mute whatever neighboring parcel I think doesn't fit my scene today. This should be the most critical for LL, too, since the same basic mechanism is required if parcel Age Restrictions are ever to mean anything at all on the Mainland. And it seems very manageable in data size and complexity.

Without zoning, though, there is the matter of how much the Lindens should have to put up with along their roads. I don't actually think all roadsides should be barren, and some places could look good with an ad-rich "Times Square" feel. This is one place where a kind of "visibility zoning democracy" might be reasonable, by which sim residents (1sq.m. = 1 vote?) determine on a parcel-by-parcel basis whether it's visible from any of Governor Linden's property.

I'll heartily agree! Parcel owners should get to decide if they want people seeing that completely square, completely empty club next door, while visiting them. Not only that, but it'd be a relief client side not to have to render that club either.

See, I see the visual muting as a win/win, whereas zoning contributes little beyond more work for the Lindens.

last week everyone wanted privacy.
this week everyone wants ppl to have the ability to make their house invisible.

fuck all this overly complex shit.
ban adfarms. just ban them to hell and be done with it.

I like the way you think, Jessica.

coco

Perhaps regulations on advertising? This high, this big, no temp rez, etc. I actually don't have a problem with advertising per se...I just wish it didn't have the coercive "buy my land at this hideous price or I'll create a vulgar ugly sim harming display" aspect. I think advertising could be useful..and a good biz for people but it is the way its done that is so harmful.

As well, then the ads would not be considered creative acts but commercial works. For creative acts, the right to self expression exists but for advertising a different set of rules could be in place which would limit the possibility of extortion.

Is not usually the case that these 16m2 plots are for sale and for way over a reasonable amount? And aren't they bought to eliminate the ugliness?

Just think... if visual muting by parcel is put into effect, then adfarms would probably disappear. If they can't extort you into purchasing the property, what good are they?

Well in theory, but what about your friends and customers still see them, even if you can't, everytime someone new visits you land they see the ugliness that you don't.

This depends on how the muting is implemented.

Perhaps the landowner can define a mute list such that anyone on thier land will not be able to see objects on the mute list. Individuals are given the ability to override land-owner mute lists.

Time of day on private islands is an example of this. When I go to Midnight City, it's, well, midnight. On my client, I can override that and make it noon if I want.

I'm thinking of the exact same thing for parcel/object/whatever mute lists. Go onto a parcel and the garbage (as defined by the land owner) around it disappears. Want to see it? Set a preference to not honor parcel/object/whatever mute lists.

--Hugsy

i reckon ll should just use the same vague ham-fisted approach they took with ageplay, gambling, and banks.
we all know what 'adfarming' is, so lets just ban it. then go round up robo, umnik and co and just delete them. fuck em hey. sl would be better off without them.

I'd be happy with a simple land price cap.

I agree with you 100% here. The thought of zoning on the mainland is impractical and would be a heap of trouble - but adfarms are easily identifiable and I'm all for eliminating those on sight. Literally, you can't mistake them for anything else when you see them.

/me gets so excited that I have the shakes ... till I remember this is only a suggestion and not reality ...

Ah if ONLY ... total exclusion of that which offendeth!

There's three lumps in my land. I am in the sky (tho for some reason banlines WORK up to that height, very freaky but true) so they don't bother me visually but they DO bother me. Am I going to spend over 3K buying them out? No. However, they have zero traffic so what use they are to the owners is beyond me. I might contact them sometime and offer to buy them at a REASONABLE price, on the basis that they are otherwise useless and no one else WILL buy them ... and if need be for the sake of neibours I can spare some prims to put up a pretty tree or two instead.

I love this idea... it would help with the nude people visiting wearing their sex parts too. not only ban and mute but now remove them from your sight... I feel like the Queen of Hearts ... Off with their Prims

Then you no longer have a ENVIRONMENT or are apart of a COMMUNITY. If this was the vision in 2002 then we all would be logging onto our own personal sandboxes to play 'Last Man on Earth'.

Oh, I don't know, Lias. That might be true for some people, who have no tolerance for anything other than their own vision of reality. But, should you care? If someone truly doesn't WANT to be a part of the community, shouldn't they have the option to play alone?

I like it. It's congruent with the "your world, your imagination" theme of SL.

"Your world, your lack of imagination".

Communities CAN exist on the mainland. Throwing your hands up and sticking your head in your sand is a defeatist attitude some of do not want to adopt. We would rather pursue social solutions and keep the concept of 'community' alive.

Don't pretty it up with "social solutions" , you want to exercise control over others. You want to impose your vision upon everyone.

I think the term he used was "Imagination"

Don't stick your head in your sandbox and let the mainland continue its rapid decline. Children cover their eyes to hide. Usually responsible adults are not that dillusional.

If there are banlines showing up there, then the neighbour has banned you personally. Check rheir list of banned avatars in About land.
If you've had no fight with them then I'd guess that the ban is specifically in place in order to shove the ugly lines in your face. It's as much land-griefing as is spewing particles and spinning ugly signs.

Banning neighbours specifically can be a visual griefing weapon, as opposed to a need to keep them out.

Usually responsible adults should be able to work out disagreements amongst themselves without resorting to knee jerk restrictive laws. There is enough of that in RL.

Oh, stop it already with the "no naming names."

This person wants help in her/his matter and not to be told, don't name names it's against rules. It never fails to see some of you state that same thing all the time. Why do you worry about it so much? If you have nothing to add as far as what the person is seeking, as far as help then don't say anything.

It's so tiring already seeing this same thing each time. It's like some of you drop everything you're doing to race in and be the first just to tell the op each time not to name names. And even when one person has done it, you still see a few more add the same thing and many times it's the only thing they post. It's not your job and I'm sure when someone is asking for help the last thing they want to see is being told what they should and shouldn't do. It's not like most don't already know this.

Stop losing sleep over this, it's not your concern. Concentrate on if you're able to aid the op and not what they put down. You forum mod wannabes.

I am quite happy with the mainland as it is. But then I value freedom above all else.