Ad Farms + Beacons way up in air! Yikes!

*rimshot*

Zoning is only necessary for those who want to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their land.

You do know Lias, unless you have changed your giant black castle build, most zoning would require you to scale it back. Building that big right on the land boundaries offends most people. Oh but you would be on the "Zoning Group" and make sure that you got special treatment.

ok, I'm not liking the color green or people that have walls regardless if they are for a house or a building, need to befriend Lindens to impose my sensibilities on all others.

I repeat I am not fond of adfarms however rather have them than have some busybody, nosepicker, bean counter, lawyer type (sorry to all the nose pickers out there that are included with such a motley crew) deciding what goes on in the sim I have my property in. I bought with no covenants and not willing to make any amendments to that and would feel a serious breach in service if LL's steps in and forces any zoning other than the PG, mature classifications. This world is made up by those who build here and not everyone is going to like a build by someone else that may be clashing with their own idea of "pretty"either get creative and find a workable solution , get over it, get another property, or go home but to go cry to LL's because its not the color you like or the particles are too high, get a pacifier saves time and energy. If you want a nice residential area buy enough land to create it or rent from a land owner tht has already done that. Maybe for all you poster addicts or power opinion pushers lol get out of the forums get a secondlife in toonland, learn to build...oops sorry can;t get a big enough audience to hear your prattling, gotcha.

Ok linden should ban every user who complains about anything then all that's left will b the tolerant good people

I personally hope the visual muting stuff happens instead of zoning, both because it seems much less labor-intensive and because it increases personal freedom rather than constraining it.

But LL has every reason and every right to do whatever they deem necessary to protect the value of their Mainland. If they decide on Mainland zoning, that's fine with me. After all, everyone is perfectly free to open an unzoned island. If there's demand for sims full of adfarms, somebody will satisfy it: that's the free market at work.

Exactly. every landowner in the sim my warehouse is in uses their property for commercial activities. We have all been there for years and have no complaints about each other's builds. Sadly, most mainland sims don't have this sort of symbiosis. That is why zoning is needed.

No, not the way it would work, any zoning standards for the mainland would have to be standardized. Otherwise, what is the point of zoning? And most residents dislike huge builds crowding the boundary lines. Under your system, I could buy a plot in an adjoining sim and really destroy your view, if a majority of land owners in my sim don't complain. If you get your zoning, better start planning your rebuild.

There are mainland sims with different zoning rules already z_z I don't know how many of them there are. But I strongly oppose some sort of global rule against ugly things.

I think zoning would prove to be a very unproductive and labor-intensive exercise for LL. Nor would it stop land-griefing, but only change its form - who said you have to put an ad up to be impossibly offensive to your neighbors? That glowing, multicolor, flashing, noisemaking pole doesn't have to be an ad: It can be "Art!" Moreover, the disputes raised by or among Residents will be endless. For example, is the escort's hyperactive Sexgen bed next door a proscribed business use or an active but legal residential use behind closed doors? Or is the complaint about it just someone abusing LL to grief the neighbor? Sounds like a good way to double the payroll and halve the attractiveness of SL.

ON THE OTHER HAND:

Ability to mute offensive stuff on neighbors' parcels - priceless.

The sim next door to where my build is is also commecial. I know. I sold the plot to a business owner. I PLAN my location and communicate with my neighbors to better control my environment. Zoning would help facilitate this sort of positive control for all.

Even in commercial sims, there will be building standards. And your building will, in all probability, not meet them. Anyway according to your standards, it is up to the land owners to decide what is allowed and what isn't.

Buy Control is what it is all about. You want to control other people. Central planning was wrong in the U.S.S.R. It is wrong in Cuba and North Korea. Central planning is wrong in SL.

The problem is known. Solutions are in short supply.

We all know that the real solution has to come from LL. Posters have mentioned that there are valid reasons for small land plots. So what to do?

* additional technical restrictions on small plots, say, smaller than 64m... No beacons, no building (objects / object entry) over 30M from ground level, and no temp rezzing.

* a simple TOS change. No tall ad structures / billboards on land that does not contain a store / mall (obviously need proper verbiage.)

Neither is ideal, but are probably workable.

The object mute idea is nice too. Wouldn't mind that a bit, but it quickly bogs down due to limits of the length of the mute list... Great idea in general, but not workable as a solution for ad farms.

A good solution for searching up land by zoning rules would be awesome.

As a note here, I recently rediscovered a Flickr group that I created some time ago specifically for the purpose of naming and shaming the creators of this sort of pollution, and have just posted a thread about it here:

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Adfarming is wrong in SL. Chris my warehouse annoys you so much - good thing I sold all the property across from me to RIXCS in 2006 and not you.

No, I just want you to be consistent . You have an eyesore, but you want other eyesores done away with. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

You think its a eyesore - The pre-fab builder does not agree with you and sells many of these a week. What we are really trying to regulate is Adfarming. I don't think we will go so far as to have a list of approved pre-fab designers that will be allowed to be used.

Hmm, unplanning is hardly a raving success story, much worse in my opinion.

SL is a conglomeration of mostly unplanning by general comittee, its draw was exactly that; artistic freedom & expression, we the users create the sceanery and the lack of it. "OOh but my stuff so much better than yours you shouldn't exist" lol, get real. I think Lao Ztu said, "trust the people to do the right thing and they will." You all want to open that door further for more and more regulations, rules? Who decides when enough is enough? Give or make accessible tools to handle like mute for all visitors of your property of offending unwanted neighboring objects (kind of useless if just turned off for yourself if your guests need to be respondent individually, especially if you run a biz with many visitors). I remember the "Impeach Bush", do you all? It got handled then without the resort to zoning.


"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-Noam Chomsky

not in favour of broad reaching zoning, but i think sl would be a better place if it were simply ridded of adfarms, no apologies, no political correctness. just get rid of them.

Ah, but there's only a tiny step between the saying, "lets get rid of the adfarmers via zoning," and "lets get rid of the eyesore via zoning."

I'd rather just have the ability to ignore objects, then they still have the right to build whatever they want on their land (good) and I have the right to make it not render if I don't like it (great). Plus, the 'ignore object' would NOT require further policing by Linden Labs and would not require them to deal with more AR's.. which they can't even keep up with as it is.

I am a mainlander and I'll continue to be a mainlander. I'll put up with the farking ads if getting rid of them means I have to move my shop and home away from each other.

Well, I dunno: Adfarms as "expression" come pretty close to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded auditorium. Except greedier. And it seems adfarms are what we get when we "trust the people to do the right thing." Locke v Hobbes, etc. I don't think it's essential that Mainland be a perpetual "Burning Life"--again, one is always free to set up and market an Estate to satisfy that demand. (But I, too, still favor the visual mute for all parcel visitors, rather than zoning.)

"Impeach Bush" didn't get handled _at all_. It was a major irritation for ages until the guy responsible simply seemed to get bored with it and removed the signs. Mind you, compared to the state of the mainland at the moment, Impeach Bush was _nothing_.

QFT

Visual muting doesn't even have to be just from your parcel. Don't like that ad next to the place you're visiting? Mute it. Think that build is so ugly that you can't stand looking at it? Mute it.

I'd like to see it in layers, actually. Mute by Object, Mute by Avatar and Mute by Group. Bye-bye ads and other eyesores, all without infringing on anyone's 'rights.'