Ad Farms + Beacons way up in air! Yikes!

Well I think that shows whose side LL is on. They also sided with landbot runners, BTW. If you are looking for them to do what is best for the community as a whole, forget it. They only get involved with blatant TOS violations. Otherwise, we're on our own.

Well, I was trying really, really hard to be well-behaved. Then I discovered that the adfarmer at my Temple of Adfarming (Dallows 239, 207, 35) decided to lower back to ground level the llTargetOmega ads for her well-known Estate land scam. So now when you visit the Temple, if you approach or try to touch the ads, you get a nice information packet on how to fight adfarms. Enjoy.

I'll answer this N00b question.

It's because the screen to block her out uses prims. Prims that could be used for many many many other more contructive things. The fact that we need to put up such screens to deal with crap like ad-farms is one of the main issues.

I have enough prims to deal with an ad-farm. Someone just starting out with a 512m plot and only 117 prims does not.

Secondly, be careful in your wording of a "boycott msg". If you specifically mention the ad-farmer's name or buisness, then your sign is a ToS/CS violation.

As for the discussion on the worth of Mainland sims to Private Island sims and the profit to LL verses their outlook....I've stated before, and I stand by that statement, LL Management doesn't ahve the buisness sense of a retarded cockaroach. Note I said "management". I think the Techs and Coders at LL are top notch. SL has quirks, but it's damn cutting edge still. Just the PR, CR, and overall organisation is somewhere south of the ceptic tank.

Also, Carl hit the nail BANG on the head. Being legal isn't always being right.

To use an analogy that may hit home in this thread: It was "legal" for the US Govt to move Native Americans onto Reservations. That does not make it "right".

~Jessy

I "collect" scams for NCI's Second Life Consumer Skills class. Do you mind going into a bit more detail about this scam? I would like to add it if we don't already warn against it.

*In before the lockdown*

Is it?

1 private island - $295/month, premium account not needed.

16 premium accounts owning 4096 sq m on a mainland region = $25/month plus $10 for a premium account = $560

You dont need premium to own a private island? o.o

And its only 6 USD or so if you pay yearly, isnt it? Just sayin... yeah... =P

Seann wants to thank those of you who have seen through Ms. Eagles "higher than thou" words to see the truth. Put simply she is porno pushing temp rezzer bully. I wonder what her 'Indian Movement' friends would say if they knew that she is in fact degrading young women via her porno ads? (see my earlier post for locations of her porno ads). Is this really a high and noble cause? Plus, the 'poor me' story only goes as far as the mud she throws...anyone can quote passages, but actions always speak louder than words. Actions: she goes about ruining the view for neighbors and the performance of sims. Check the OP for the URL to see yourself!

As many of you have seen by these posts, she has done this times before to other legit business owners...the whole time, saying "oh, I'm doing this for good of my people". I'm truly sorry to hear about others in this same predicament. Remember, she has named herself. Admitted to lagging sims, and 'pushing' other avatars. And on top of it all, she was the one who started it all by getting the Lindens to remove a tiny little piece of skybox (less than a quarter of a meter) that was unknowingly over her little 16sm AD space (it wasn't doing her any harm and wasn't using any of her prims...it was 250m up in the sky for goodness sake!). She did not wait for a reply. She just acted. And the Lindens came quickly to her call. I'm sure she sent out to the Indian Movement group of her ARs..which brought a flood of ARs against Seann. I guess there is something to numbers...even if they are being told a lie.

This really does sour me to Second Life. Not really because of Ms. Eagle...they are always evil "better than thou" people in the world trying to make it worse...but, it's the Lindens response. Not once did they take Seann's view on this matter...not once did they see Ms. Eagle's temp rezzer objects over hanging his land (ARs were filed..but, not acted on). The Lindens simply reacted to the loudest voice...hers. Please if you have time, file a AR about her ad land. Maybe a few ARs on the other side will get the attention of the Lindens. But, my faith in them is now lost. I know...foolish and naive. Too bad the hundreds of newbie renters that Seann Sands helps every month will now be also tained against SL...

-venti

It's been discussed in a lot of threads before, so I doubt it's news. I certainly won't name names, but the practice is to "sell" covenanted Estate land *specifically* to folks who really don't know what that means--hence the need to use adfarm plots--and then, whenever the Estate approaches rented capacity, fabricate a covenant violation, confiscate the parcel, and sell it over to the next victim. (She's currently getting L$6/m2--over and over again.)

Sheesh ...

AGAIN!! MORE ARs = MORE CHANCE OF ACTION.

That would solve almost all the problems.
Do people really need less than that for reasons that dont involve land extortion ?

Thank you. That's the Island Pump n' Dump scam. We warn against that in both our Basic Land and Consumer Skills classes.

Yep. There's many reasons to own a microplot that have nothing to do with land extortion, spamming, or anything else nefarious.

In fact, I've owned a single 16m parcel (with 3 prims) since 2004. Its next to a road, and has an authentic-looking telephone pole on it

Bump

I own a number of micro-plots too, both for server use, as well as plots that were purchased to keep them out of the hands of adfarmers. I'd be willing to take the hit on prims or give them up entirely as part of an overall elimination of adfarms.

However, I don't think the "no prims unless you own more than 256m2 in a sim" will work. It would just change the economics of the adfarm business, as adfarmers would bundle multiple ads together on a single 256 plot.

Valid point about the prims. I personally cant imagine trying to 'live' on a 512 area plot, but thats just me. I bought a 2096 mainland I find it adequate. Gives me enough room for my keep in the middle with some 'lawn' around all 4 sides. Thus creates a nice buffer if someone on one side or another gets crazy. Plus gives me some nice place for deco around my place.

The $25. land tier a month is a bit but I just goto the movies once less a month and I break even. *chuckle*

As for the msg on the screen you don't have to name names. Simply say on their said of the screen 'This add farm is a (spammer, encroacher, etc) please do not support them!' or the like. If they can find loopholes in the rules to make quality of life difficult then we have said right to do the same to defend ourselves. Is that the most PC stance? No. But is it the reality of the situation? Yes.

Agreed. A 'stop paying them' is not going to happen.

Mass Civil Disobedience has changed RL.
Revolution is way more difficult in SL because 'the man' has infinitely more database powers than can be dreamt of by a RL despot.

Mass action within the terms of the TOS might get LL's attention. It might certainly get media attention, which in turn .....

I'd hazard a guess that people might be prepared to continually try to TP into any currently non-swamped Linden Welcome area -- just to see for themselves if there is any basis in the talk of them being griefer paradises, you understand.
I really don't see people sacrificing their land.

SL Civil Disobedience presupposes a forum that is not controlled by LL. Otherwise people could just disappear into the fog and night.

It takes from one to four prims to hide an adfarm from view. I don't see the problem. (of course, they have to be megaprims, but what the heck, they're free on SL Exchange.)

Ooh, ignorant, abrasive, *and* a land-cutter. HAWT!

I take it she lives in the US of A? surely she and her ilk of land scammers could be prosecuted for wire fraud.

Well... when I pointed out to her that her 4x4m prims were encroaching on my land when they rotated, she said "you must be an American." So... probably not.

Oohh, a federal crime! And two violations in a ten-year period trigger the RICO act - Racketeer-Influenced-And-Corrupt_Organizations-Act that permits triple damages, confiscation of assets used to commit the crimes and up to ten years in prison.

Be still, my beating heart!

Suggested reply: No, but my lawyer is.

I used to buy up 32 and 64 meter square plots for SLBoutique ads. I did it by the sides of roads, and would sell at the price I paid for them (typically L$100 or L$200) to any adjacent neighbor who wanted them.

In fact, I made quite a few friends that way.

To do anything beyond that is a black mark on your soul, because you're destroying someone else's experience for nothing more than a dollar or two. Why don't people think sometimes? Argh. Ad farmers make Mr. Burns from the Simpsons look generous and compassionate.

Regards,

-Flip

encouraging people to spam someone and naming them (along with similar actions) is likely what got OP suspended...

I don't like huge fountains of porn ads any more than OP might, but I have to recognize their freedom to use the platform as they see fit within the limits of TOS... my suggestions above stand. if the OP's advertising neighbor breaks TOS I'd suggest OP encourage people to report the breach. past that, there is little that can or should be done.