Ad Farms + Beacons way up in air! Yikes!

That does seem to be the de facto LL policy and I've met plenty of people who have bought into that and gone down that path. I considered buying a sim myself 2 years ago but realised that it wasn't an option for me as my player just doesn't have that kind of money in RL and I don't earn enough here in SL :\

I think back to all the brouhaha about pop-up adverts in web browsers and such like. For me all the ad farm billboards and spinners aren't much different: ugly, intrusive, offensive (and that's on a good day).

Second Life: Your money, some other low-life's spam in ur face?

Yes, she is in the US, but she is from the Hunkpati Dakota Sioux tribe, so she does not consider herself an american in her twisted little mind where she wants her tribe to rule all American lands and abolish North American governments. I think they should be considered a terrorist cell within the US since they are trying to overthrow the government and are disrupting Internet communications. On the other hand, Linden should be prosecuted for harboring terrorist organizations within SL.

Their group is quite active in Second Life, and threaten to harass anyone who confronts them. I was harassed by her when she dry-humped me, and then by another member of her group who I have never met. I did report that one to Linden, but don't have any hopes it will be resolved.

Sorry, it's my fault: I introduced a different adfarmer into the mix in an earlier post. Pretty sure "my" adfarmer is an Alien.

LL can't handle the griefers, the object encroachment, the gambling, underage and the visible porn on a continuous basis. They couldn't if they hired an entire force just to remove that stuff. It would be better for them and us to allow us to ignore the objects.. not to mention that it should reduce client-side lag.

There are some forms of zoning that would create nothing but headaches for everyone. Zoning by sim, having one sim be business and the other residential. I have my residence and my shop in the same sim. This would require me to move one of them out of my sim, which would me having a separate plot in another sim whose prims do not count toward the other. I am not willing to pay 25 USD per month for that.

Might be okay if they decided to say, "Can't cut the land in this sim into parcels smaller than 256." But wouldn't that escalate the whole ad farm issue?

Bah, that's the end of my morning pre-child-going-to-school thinking.

Zoning isn't the way. Making this sort of practice against the TOS is.

I'm being an idealist here tho cos that's only half the story.

"And in the end, the shit you take, is equal to the shit they make".

Kola,
There are two sides to every story my friend. What has been explained here by the OP and his cronies is half truth and whole lies. I do not understand why you bring up my heritage being used in "in this way". You quoted me showing pride. Red to the bone means I am Native through and through. Aho Mitakuye Oyasin means "All My Relations". It is calling my ancestors for strength and resolve. I was and never have been disiplined for any wrong doing. I have never been suspended or even warned. I walk the Red Road, I grew up in a Traditionalist household and raise my own the same. I go to ceremony quite often as well as raise funds for my peoples cause. I perform Hoop Dancing all over the Southwest and educate others on my people's culture and issues. I DO NOT USE MY HERITAGE IN ANY INCORRECT FASHION. Where I come from, we do not prejudge or claim to act like we have walked in another's shoes. You are on the other side of your computer screen looking in. None of you where there as I was attacked, harassed and actually THEY (the OP and his cronies) used race card first off. I have only placed AIM donation pots under most of my billboards and a small educational billboard which will eventually show slide of cultural education, give NCs out with information and resources to help our people's. I DO NOT USE MY HERITAGE TO PUSH MY BUSINESS. Most never know I am Sioux until they look in my profile. I never mention it in business unless the other party brings it up. All of you must understand how important my heritage is to me. I have not brought up anyone elses race, culture or heritage. We are talking about ad boards, greifing temp rezzers etc. Not sure where you see me using my heritage. I am no little girl. I am a grown woman and where I come from people who did what they did to me that day just in words alone would constitute needing to go to ceremony amoung some other things.

What org do you work with if you do not mind me asking? I would love to help.

I wonder why the OP was suspended and not me. Well I think one reason would be that Lindens had to be called out to the area 3 times. Twice they attacked me and put prims on my head while the Linden was there. Out right disregard. What was I doing? I had a small 32m lot I was setting up on and noticed one of those huge prims up in the sky above me and completely over my land, not just taking up a fraction as stated by a cronie. Then I decided to check my other lot that I was going to sell off as scrap. It had a total of 27 prims over it. An entire corner of a 3 story complex, including a bed and fireplace. Some was auto returned, most was set up so I could not. When asked to remove, I was ignored. So I filed and AR and went about my business. When it was removed by Governance Team and warning was issued, thats when the OP and his cronies decided to cover my land completely again, So I filed an AR and bought another lot and set up my ad until the new greifing issue was removed. While doing that I was attacked again, Lindens came saw and he suffered the out come of his violence.

I was cordial, conciderate and business like. If I did wrong I would admit to it and Lindens would suspend me. The funny thing is I video the whole thing each time (soon to hit youtube) I was attacked, cussed at, greifed...you name it...they probably tried it. I own an advertising business. If that is guilt in other's eyes of something devious in this virtual world so be it. Everyone has their opinion but please never ever say I use my heritage to gain anything! Only a hand few from SL know me in RL and if you do not know me in RL or was present during the altercation you really have no idea what is going on in my SL or RL world or what really happend in Foxboro. FYI, these same people greifed me elsewhere as well. That was probably the last straw for LL and that is probably why the OP was suspended.

On another subject, I offered in an earlier post for anyone to come to my park and test my 3 designs that are out there for asthetic, functionality and lag. Someone very knowledgable and impressive came. You know who you are and can make it be know if you wish but I wont name names. This person was very nice to me although I believe this person is anti-ad farm (not sure just guessing by their posts in this string). They suggested several changes. Those chages have been made. I have had many people ask to buy my ad spots from in front of their land. I do so if I can find a nice lot to relocate to and only charge them the price of the relocation area. I did one of those just yesterday. I would have done this for the OP and his cronies if they would have asked. The OP or his cronies NEVER even talked to me unless it was to cuss me, sexually harass me verbally or use the race card on me. I don't know about you my freind but I do not take kindly to being called a prairie nigger or a black b@#tch. AR was filed on that as well as a ticket. Now with all this said, I have been assured this string will be gone soon so this is my last reply here.

I walk the Red Road and have had enough of the whole race thing being brought up. You can assume what my views are but you will never truly know until you know ME.

I forgive you all that have treated me unkind, threatened me and said hurtful things. I will pray for you and hope the future finds you all eveloving with more understanding, education of indigenous people and their cultures/ issues and tolorance.

Greifing me will only get you suspended again and if you continue eventually banned. I am a stay at home Mother so I have a bit extra time. I will not let any of this get to me. There is enough drama and bs in RL. I will file an AR, call up a Linden and move on. Thank you "q" for the talk yesterday. You are a good human...Creator bless you!

If any of you would like to sit and talk with me human to human please come to my park and soon to be cultural center or IM me. If you need me to work with you about any of my ads that are bordering your land, please talk to me but talk to me as you would like to be treated.

Come and sit... let us sit and talk a while.

Why don't YOU come to talk to us? I am sure Dnali and I can make time to sit with you.

However, neither of us are gullable. Look at the length of that post ... that's some impressive self serving you are doing there. Why are YOU using your heritage.

Hey my dad's family were Polish aristocracy ... tell me ONE person here who gives a damn about that?

Zero.

Still ... what goes around comes around.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

"Heritage" is an issue only because the ad-farmer brought it up; it is otherwise irrelevant here, and most posters have refused to take what appears in this context to be bait in a gambit to play the race card. The "stay-at-home-mother" play for sympathy is irrelevant too, by the way.

I would suggest posters not fall for these and other "Red" herrings (heh, sorry, I usually avoid puns but couldn't resist this one). In general, an ad-farmer playing the victim role in SL is at best an occasion for hilarity for those of us who really savor irony; at worst it is occasion for deep disgust.

I think it would be unwise for the poster who says they work with "First Nations" to give any further details of any kind that could possibly help identify that poster in RL. Remember, this one has already given notice that she "bites," and she apparently has some rather nasty friends.

If indeed the OP did retaliate in inappropriate ways, so be it - "Do the crime, do the time." However, Cythera The Terrible's ad farm is certainly a brilliant SL example of passive-aggressive provocation via ad-farm. I have seen quite a few ad farms and, while this one indeed is not the ugliest, it is more than ugly enough, and the cleverest manipulation of TOS I have seen.

Interested parties should first go visit the area in question and see for themselves, before making any judgment about how credible or justified this ad-farmer is. In my opinion, she is about as credible or justified as any other ad-farmer, or any other type of professional vandal or petty extortionist.

/me chuckles and has to agree ... I can't say what response this person's behaviour engenders in me in what is meant to be a PG forum

-bump-

See who we are really dealing with... Regardless what she says in this forums and elsewhere...actions speak louder than words. And you just have to go see my rental complexes in Foxboro...with her tacky 300 meter high particle beams and porno ads (wait for them)...ruining the hundreds of newbie tentants view...souring them to Second Life. The poor single mom of discriminated class just doesn't really matter...when your actions are so distasteful. I could have thrown in the fact - I'm part an even more discriminated class of people than Native Americans into this thread - but, it really doesn't matter, now does it? I'm sure most of the people reading this thread can pull the "poor me" victim card for one reason or another...rightly or wrongly. But, again...it really doesn't matter to this topic. Simply put...you have placed tacky AD farmer ads not only on the ground but also more than 200 meters up...totally ruining the view for my paying customers. I will have to use prims to cover them...at a cost. Your use of Lindens against legit SL businesses for your selfish means...clearly shows not only the lack of morals of you..but the Lindens who help.

I would like to end by saying thanks to all those helping me and my friends though this...it's not been fun having a crazy group of 'semi terrorists' harassing me and tenants. And the words of an early poster rings especially true to terms of Lindens and others who side with this AD Farmer:

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"To use an analogy that may hit home in this thread: It was "legal" for the US Govt to move Native Americans onto Reservations. That does not make it "right"."

~Jessy

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Thanks. Seann Sands

I should put that on a flag and carry it around...

I got your megaprims right here, Seann.

It's such a tough issue. If you are not a talented content creator and want to make money in SL, there are only a few ways to do it. Some of these methods are not against the TOS, but severly take away from other residents' user experiences or lower the value of their SL investment (Ad Farming, Camping). LL has, by default, created a world with a lot of blight and ugliness that I don't think was part of the original vision. But I don't see them trying to change any policies to make the mainland more attractive or less laggy.

I chose to try to make money by adding to people's experience here by landscaping a mainland sim for rentals, not by going after a buck at any cost. It doesn't yield much profit, but I sleep better at night because of the choice I made.

I went to take a look Har - not the worst I've seen, but I didn't think it looked very nice - shame, because there are parts of that sim that do look very nice.

I don't like it when people drag race, ethnicity etc into SL - I like to think these things are totally irrelevant within SL - must we import all the problems of RL here? Surely we can do better than that!

there is sweet poetic justice reading about a native american extorting land.
its like karma!

Yes it would be much like people in Italy taking back land in England that was theirs under Roman conquest or perhaps the French should give back the land Napolean took from it's people
Yeah if you think you can get good Karma through extortion...........

Zonning would have to be in a few forms residential, mixed and business, let people decide what is most valuable, maybe the grid ends up 25% pure residential, 25% pure business, 50% mixed.
Perhaps we could just have a Residential/Business rating for each sim that people could vote for in their land tab with one vote per 16m. So if current residents all prefer residential an new buyer can clearly see the preferences of the people in the sim he is considering buying in.

Well, I'll "out" myself as being one who stopped in at this ad-farmer's place and suggested making phantom the non-griefing version of the temp-rezzed objects. And tried to make the point that she'd fallen in with a very bad crowd: that those in that "industry" were on the whole a mighty unsavory lot, and that people have very good reasons to despise them as a class.

But I really can't tell for sure who's on the up-and-up here. My land is spread over several Mainland sims, so of course I've had occasion to confront a bunch of adfarmers. Most make no pretense of being anything but slimeballs--it seems to be a badge of honor for them to be able to sit on their 16m2 and thumb their noses at the rest of the sim. But I've met a couple now who go out of their way to represent what they're doing as "not just the average adscammer." And in this case one must admit: these are not the *usual* adfarm installations: they require larger plots and are quite a bit more elaborate. That doesn't prove anything, of course. But it's possible. And given the nature of the original post to this thread, it's not beyond possibility that this adfarmer was in fact harrassed beyond the point where emotion takes over judgment, even so far as to invoke heritage. (Who hasn't seen this happen in RL?)

Anyway, I'm not in the habit of constructing apologia for adfarms, and find the whole incident one of those things where there's really Nothing In It For Me. In spades. I wanted to just back quietly away, but I feel some responsibility to "fess up" and to admit that, gullible though I may be, I'm not 100% sure this is a clear-cut case.

Oh, and just to add: don't buy adfarm plots right now. From meetings I've attended, I'm very much convinced that LL *is* going to do something and soon, they just haven't decided the details of what and when. But whatever it turns out to be, it's almost sure that existing adfarm plots will be nearly worthless in the near future. So there's even more reason than usual not to buy them.

Not sure what the message is, but the ad-farm at the OP's SLURL is still sending particles to the heavens. The same person has stopped shooting particles to the heavens near my land in Qinglong 243, 0, 47. The ad-farm is still there, but it isn't shooting particles anymore. Perhaps if we all kept things a little more on the "polite" level things could improve. I can only hope this is the case.

I chose to be a philanthropist, albeit on a small scale in keeping with my relatively small budget.

All zoning will do is drive up the land prices for some people while devaluing the land of others. Central planning is always morally reprehensible.

I triple the motion for this! The ability to block visual clutter near our parcels is higher on my wish list than stability and would improve the total SL experience a gang.

Land bordering water cost more than land-locked land. We all accept that. Zoning is necessary to save the mainland from these unscrupulous characters.

Developing Mainland Region Zoning groups run by a Community Team Leader lindens. Volunteer members can be residents of said regions Add a check box on the land purchase tool so the person can automatically volunteer for the Zoning Group they own land in (They must own a one parcel piece of 512 M or more to qualify).

while i applaud your way of fighting ad farmers, isn't this just playing right into their hands? the whole point of those eyesores is to have someone buy them so it will go away. we have one behind/to the side of us, and have debated buying it as well just to get rid of the spinning boxes, in the end we decided that to give in would be even worse, and just encourages it.