Ad Farms + Beacons way up in air! Yikes!

No no no Sling ... ***MY*** banlines work up to 760 ... the ones I set on my land to stop the seemingly never ending slew of people looking for Grim's flipping Keep!!

Now, who'd ban a little sweetie like me anyway?

What's your solution to the problem?

Telling me to just deal with the ugly builds (ad farms or otherwise) is not acceptable.

Telling me to negotiate with the builder is also not acceptable. I shouldn't have to be bothered. I shouldn't have to worry about someone getting belligerent. The other person shouldn't be talked into changing something they apparently want.

Telling me to only go to private sims is also not acceptable.

Visually muting objects is a brilliant solution that hurts no one. If implemented, there will be no collapse to society.

--Hugsy

QFT!!!

This is the way to go.

As for those who raise the false issue of "community," who wants to have "community" with ad-farmers, land-griefers, or neighbors who are so antipathetic you literally can't stand the sight of them or their builds? Everybody who wants "community" in SL can find all the community they want with kindred spirits, whether they mute stuff they don't want or not. The difference is, community here can and should be voluntary. That's called a free society. "Community" that is involuntary goes by other names: Incarceration, impressment, and kidnapping come to mind, but there are others, also unpleasant.

Loss of community? Most people will not ban/mute the lovely homes or interesting retail units near them. They will ban/mute the adfarms and ugly boxes that are eyesores and extortion. This will not lose the community, only improve it.

/me runs to tell the Teacher that Ricardo is being snotty........

You sorta crossed your wires on this statement. There are so many laws in RL because adults cannot work out 'disagreements' amongst themselves.

Most do not consider adfarming a 'disagreement'. It is perpetrated by a growing number of individuals who insist that if it is not in the TOS they can do it. Child porn, offering interest through a in-world ATM, gambling - all not in the TOS - but added to manage the unscrupolous adults that enter this community. As we grow we must recognize and resolve issues that have an on-going and growing negative effect on this community we have invested so much time, money and energy into developing. Saying 'let it all go to hell in handbasket as long as I don't have to see it' will seal mainland's fate. There are more responsible residents who will take their own personal time and volunteer to develop a system to make sure that your SL does not become a reality.

Do you believe that if community groups and residents did not make such a fuss about adfarming that it would not grow across the grid like a fungus? Ignore it and it wll go away? I think not.

Exactly the point. SL is supposed to be a place where we can do things differently from Real Life. Let's look beyond the typical RL soulution to a problem.

And we have massive adfarming and porn ads spinning at roadsides. But That is ok - as long as you don't see it is not happening.

Perhaps you could see how many other residents in the same region feel the same as you, and together petition Linden for zoning rules in your region.

If you don't see it, what does it matter? See it always comes down to your desire to control other people.

After the implementation of the 'no banks offering interest' law and the 'no child porn' law - you can see that this ain't Eutopia. 'Do things differently' does not include breaking the law and offending others.

It matters because it will still be there Chris. And without protest and REAL community solutions it will prolificate.

There are many groups of people from many regions already petitoning LL for real community solutions to the adfarming issue - not just one region is concerned about this issue. The head-in-the-sand solution is a non-solution to adfarming.

But if you cannot see it, how does it hurt you? It doesn't.

This will do more to destroy SL than the gambling ban and the bank ban put together.

Some things are of course either so morally reprehensible, or anti social that they don't need written prohibitions. I don't live on the Mainland presently, but I don't like ad farms either. I believe those that buy them out are though well intentioned are submitting to extortion, and by not doing that would be one step towards eliminating them. All I'm saying is that currently, both sides have a stance that appeals to them, but also offends enough people to where neither s a feasable solution. Some other plan has to be worked out.

You're solution to ad farming is....?

--Hugsy

True enough, Lias. Visual muting WOULD let us "turn a blind eye"...literally...to these problems.

But visual muting is more effective than that. If nobody is watching your ads, then nobody is going to pay to advertise on your tower. If nobody is being inconvenienced by your ugly build, then nobody will pay your extortionate price to get rid of it.

And...if there is no more profit in adfarming, the adfarms will go away. Presto, a better world. QED.

In this case, I think that ignoring it really WOULD make the problem go away.

A peek into Chris' SL: Fly across the grid and mute all the adfarmers - but without any protest groups or pressure for reform - there are so many my mute list is full. So we tell LL we need more space to mute more adfarmers - now we have 1,000 adfarms muted. Ahh, ignorance is bliss!

And corporations and 'business' entrepreneurs are happy also - they can put up adfarm spinning cube towers anywhere they like without anyone making a fuss. Happily getting noobs (who do not know how to mute a adfarm yet - so they are not as blissful as Chris is) to click away, teleport and BUY.

3% of the new players that come in SL see this 'business' is acceptable and translates into big bucks - so they start their own adfarms on the mainland. And on and on. And Chris is unaware and happy with his SL.

Only new players would click an adfarm board. Adfarmers had a hard time making a profit from ad clicks because of our protests, blocking their ads on 3 sides and public outcry. So they decided to make their profit by being as annoying as possible (so we would buy them out). If no one is complaining anymore then it's business as usual - with major expansion plans in the works. And the noobs will click and teleport every day of the week.

Start with educating. I personally, do not look at the ad farms, and if I notice one, I do not patronize the business. Start an anti adfarm group, visit welcome areas, whatever. if you are as passionate about it as you appear, you can be creative in solving it. Don't answer what you see as apathy with a solution that will be restrictive to many not causing the problem, but may solve it for you easily, which is just as apathetic in my opinion.

I see, we must protect people from themselves. Only a select few are smart and wise enough to know how SL really should be. I see where you are coming from now. I will fight it both in SL and RL until my dying breath.

Well several have been kicked around in these forums:

1. Zoning: Make a check box on the ABOUT LAND box that will allow parcel owners who own 512M or more to join a Linden Run Community Zoning group. Work as a team to set up a convenant for the sim.

2. Do not allow 16M squares to be created.

3. Make the floating ad cubes illegal and a reportable offense (just as mega prims with laggy moving textures on the mainland get returned to your inventory by a Linden if they are reported).


The solution may not be listed above - or it may be a combination of what is listed above. Until we sit down and decide to DO SOMETHING about adfarming - not ignore it and stop protesting it so it can further take root and grow - we will never find the solution and the mainland will continue declining.

Eww, Chris' libertarian stance is looking better all the time. I really hate your #1 and #2. I have a bad enough time with my RL Homeowners Association...I don't want some group of SL bozos telling me that my build isn't in line with the "community standards." And there are legitimate uses for 16m2 parcels, such as server sites.

I like your #3, and have proposed it myself. But, while you and I probably agree today on what constitutes an "ad tower", I'm sure that if such a rule went into effect, we'd see the limits of whatever definition was used tested in short order..."why, THAT's not against the TOS...they're spheres, see?"

I don't understand why you think that eyesore ad towers (and corporate billboards) would continue to exist, if their owners knew that NOBODY WAS WATCHING THEM. The ad towers exist for the express purpose of annoying people into paying high prices for a bit of land. If the annoyance goes away, so does the incentive to create the eyesore, or even to hold the land.

As for corporations, they are not going to pay for exposure that, um...doesn't. It would be like Coca-Cola paying for a blank white page.