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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-09-2008 11:50
I recently rediscovered a Flickr group that I created some time ago for the posting of pictures of the sort of harassing, usually advertising, builds that plague the Mainland and cause all sorts of heated discussion on this forum.

From: someone

Griefing builds in Second Life, designed to make neighbours give up and move elsewhere or give up and buy the plot to get rid of the horrible spinning thing. Usually advertising, though not always.

All screenshots should include location (doesn't have to be exact, as long as somebody could find the plot again) and name of the item's owner, ideally gained by taking a screenshot that includes the Edit window. This is to provide an undeniable record of the activity, though if it is a series of different pictures of the same piece of ad griefing, only one piece of evidence is required.

(You can use the PrintScreen button in Windows, or Shift+Cmd+4 on a Mac to include parts of the Second Life UI, or some other screenshot program. I use SnapzProX myself, and if you have FRAPS installed, that should work too.)

Due to the nature of the ad/griefing builds posted here, this can't help but be an 18+ group, even if the actual content on them is at about a 14-year-old level of sophistication.

Lastly - this isn't a group for just any ugly build. (One could find endless pictures from SL.) It is just for pictures of builds which are clearly being used for unwelcome advertising, to bring down land prices, force people to sell, annoy them enough that they buy the land, or just by cretinous advertising networks who don't care how much they annoy neighbours. Pretty much anything that is on a 16m2 plot that's been set for sale is going to fit in, I would think. Oh, and the ads should be long-term ones, not just temporary griefing objects left on somebody else's land - while those are horrible enough, they don't have the same motivations.


One can find the group at:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/

Please feel free to join and post any horrible examples you wish to! The naming of names is _strongly encouraged_ - if the owner disagrees that their build actually constitutes ad griefing or land spam, well, the evidence is there for anyone to inspect, and onlookers can decide for themselves.
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Seann Sands
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01-09-2008 17:28
Just a short message of thanks to your affords...they are not unnoticed. Btw, I'm glad you took some pictures of the 'trash' around my sim. Now there is proof... Thanks.
Cytherea Eagle
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Bad move....
01-09-2008 17:45
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I recently rediscovered a Flickr group that I created some time ago for the posting of pictures of the sort of harassing, usually advertising, builds that plague the Mainland and cause all sorts of heated discussion on this forum.



One can find the group at:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/

Please feel free to join and post any horrible examples you wish to! The naming of names is _strongly encouraged_ - if the owner disagrees that their build actually constitutes ad griefing or land spam, well, the evidence is there for anyone to inspect, and onlookers can decide for themselves.


If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

You do not have my permission to use my logo. Either written, expressed or implied. I have contacted Flickr (Yahoo! Inc.). I have faxed their Copyright Agent the information required to have your violation of my copyrights taken care of.

I have also filed a complaint with LL.

http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Educate before you communicate:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.
Alyx Sands
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Join date: 17 Feb 2007
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01-09-2008 17:47
Wow, that is one cool idea-I'll go join immediately!

Cytherea: Talk about butterflies and wheels, eh?
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Mitzy Shino
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Join date: 15 Dec 2006
Posts: 409
01-09-2008 18:03
From: Cytherea Eagle
If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.


If you don't want photo's of your ad boards, don't put them in public places. Last time I checked a picture of something in public containing a copyrighted image was fine.
Ordinal Malaprop
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01-09-2008 18:15
From: Cytherea Eagle
If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

You do not have my permission to use my logo. Either written, expressed or implied. I have contacted Flickr (Yahoo! Inc.). I have faxed their Copyright Agent the information required to have your violation of my copyrights taken care of.

I have also filed a complaint with LL.

http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Educate before you communicate:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.

I'm sorry, but you will have to start your own "comedy internet legal threats" group - that is not what this particular one is for.
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Mitzy Shino
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01-09-2008 18:19
Did some quick research, I wasn't 100% correct but close enough ;)

From ASMP.com (American Society of Media Photographers)

"...When art is involved in the photography of a building, however, there could be a problem. If there is a work of art attached to or adjacent to the structure you are photographing, or if you are just photographing that work of art, to be safe you will need to get permission from the copyright owner. If the artwork is secondary to the subject or focus of the photograph, or if your photography is intended for educational, research, news reporting, criticism, or public interest use, your pictures may fall into the area of “fair use...."

So

1. The logo is secondary to the picture, fair game
2. Fair use, news reporting/criticism/public interest take your pick

:)
Ordinal Malaprop
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01-09-2008 18:37
Oh yes, it's all fair use. I would have thought that anyone who had "gone through the legal process" to have something copyrighted, and even sent off faxes, apparently, would be aware of this. But hey ho, perhaps not. Actually, there are only three or so pictures of her items there out of quite a few, so it is all a bit odd, but never mind.
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Lias Leandros
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01-09-2008 19:23
From: Cytherea Eagle
If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

You do not have my permission to use my logo. Either written, expressed or implied. I have contacted Flickr (Yahoo! Inc.). I have faxed their Copyright Agent the information required to have your violation of my copyrights taken care of.

I have also filed a complaint with LL.

http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Educate before you communicate:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.


LL will not do a thing - it's not on their servers. You may get Yahoo and Flickr to send him a e-mail - hold your breath - but your locations and pictures of what is advertised will still be displayed on this website that exposes land greifers. Your 'business' is helping to destroy the mainland and will not be tolerated by the residents of this community. Your not a martyr - just a self-involved individual that will do anything for a virtual buck.
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Day Oh
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01-09-2008 19:30
What are the goals of this project O_o
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Caledric Axon
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01-10-2008 05:30
Quick someone find a gif of a little kid holding his breath and stamping his feet! That's what Cytherea is here.
Paneia Deharo
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01-16-2008 08:46
From: Cytherea Eagle
If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

You do not have my permission to use my logo. Either written, expressed or implied. I have contacted Flickr (Yahoo! Inc.). I have faxed their Copyright Agent the information required to have your violation of my copyrights taken care of.

I have also filed a complaint with LL.

http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Educate before you communicate:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.


/me points and laughs
CCTV Giant
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Join date: 2 Nov 2006
Posts: 469
01-16-2008 09:45
From: Cytherea Eagle
If you look closely when visiting one of my ad boards, you will notice a small copyright tag and date. I may not be in a business you care for but you will not infringe. I was smart enough to go through the legal processes to have both of my logos copyrighted.

You do not have my permission to use my logo. Either written, expressed or implied. I have contacted Flickr (Yahoo! Inc.). I have faxed their Copyright Agent the information required to have your violation of my copyrights taken care of.

I have also filed a complaint with LL.

http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Educate before you communicate:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.


But apparently you weren't smart enough to get it right. I guess if you were thorough enough to go through the entire copyright process you probably missed the part where it stipulates that logos aren't copyrighted? Before you go spreading your ignorance any further perhaps you should look into Trademark law instead of bothering the folks down at the copyright office. Is your lawyer a 300.00USD retainer or a 500.00USD? And how much does he charge per hour? The way I see it, you need about 1000USD for your lawyer to tell you you need to spend another 275.00 per trademark registration. Oh yeah, and that's assuming it comes back clean in RL.
Lowen Raymaker
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01-16-2008 09:55
Let me see if I understand this. Although I do not have to deal with obtrusive advertising much in the areas of SL I hang at most, I can visit your Flicker group and see all the advertisements there?

Crafty.
Lindal Kidd
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01-16-2008 11:47
From: Lowen Raymaker
Let me see if I understand this. Although I do not have to deal with obtrusive advertising much in the areas of SL I hang at most, I can visit your Flicker group and see all the advertisements there?

Crafty.



Huh? Are you thumping Ordinal because he created another venue for the advertising to be displayed? But, but...visiting that page is completely voluntary. Nobody's forcing you to go and look. And the only ones who WILL look are those who want to take down the adfarmers.

Or are you saying, "I don't have any of this crap in my backyard, but I do want to investigate the problem -- thanks for showing me where to look?"
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-16-2008 14:50
Well, I'm not sure exactly in what way it was meant, but in either case: yes, one can visit this Flickr group to see some quite horrible advertising, who put it there and where it is, for whatever reason one chooses really. The idea as far as I was concerned was mostly to make searchable a few of the names of the dizzying number of alts used for this practice, but I couldn't speak for anyone else's motivation.

Why, if somebody wished to erect some awful spinny porn rubbish, take shots of it with their name and the advert's location, then send it to the group for some sort of free publicity, then they would be quite free to do so! Only, well, I don't think it would achieve quite the effect they desired.
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Pratyeka Muromachi
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01-17-2008 02:27
admirable initiative Ordinal. How about posting some pics of successful ad-farms blocking strategies? I know of a couple of places where ad-blocking megaprims have been in place for months.
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01-17-2008 02:37
From: Pratyeka Muromachi
admirable initiative Ordinal. How about posting some pics of successful ad-farms blocking strategies? I know of a couple of places where ad-blocking megaprims have been in place for months.


The Linden Ponderosa in the Library can be stretched quite effectively. :D
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01-17-2008 03:25
I didn't see any of Cytherea's junk in that Flickr. Did she get her pics removed, or was she just freaking out about nothing?
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01-17-2008 11:44
From: Wildefire Walcott
I didn't see any of Cytherea's junk in that Flickr. Did she get her pics removed, or was she just freaking out about nothing?


She doesn't seem to clue that while it may be her "right" to poo all over the landscape, it's *our* right to mock her openly for doing so!
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-17-2008 11:51
From: Wildefire Walcott
I didn't see any of Cytherea's junk in that Flickr. Did she get her pics removed, or was she just freaking out about nothing?

They certainly damned well should be there. I shall investigate. I can't find them in my photostream either.
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Bee Mizser
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01-17-2008 13:28
From: Cytherea Eagle


PUBLIC NOTICE:
No one has the right to use my logo for any reason what so ever without my written consent.

You may not like the line of business I am in but SL legalities take on a whole new meaning when violating RL laws.

Have all the opinion you want of me ALL OVER but you WILL NOT violate my copyrights.
PERIOD.



I don't see any RL laws broken. Some photos were taken in a public place for the use of criticism.

In my country that is perfectly legal, and someone has already stated that the laws are the same in the US. So I will purposfully go look for some of your ad farms now just to get them added to the group.

Sue me if you dare, because I know I will win!
Ordinal Malaprop
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01-17-2008 13:46
There weren't any RL laws broken, certainly. Flickr would be obliged to take down my pictures if they received a DMCA notice, but they would also be obliged to put them up again if I were to file a counter-notice. I am quite happy to do that (well, not _happy_, but I respect their position).

However, it seems as if my pictures have been taken down without notification at all, which is actually against the DMCA requirements I believe.

I have asked Flickr precisely what is going on here, in this thread on their help forums, if anyone is interested:

http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/64044/

and also via email. They are apparently investigating the matter.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-17-2008 13:48
Oh, and I still have the original pictures of course, with the locations - if anyone wishes to go to Foxboro 102,39 the cubes may still well be there. They are the two green cubes with particle effects, on a green column, with additional particle effects.
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Rik Riel
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01-17-2008 14:42
Funny, I was just thinking of taking a little stroll around Foxboro for some picture taking.
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