No kids in the real SL, EVER!

Nononono ... greed is never a good reason. No. And no. And no again.

The stipend issue -- and in my mind, it IS an issue -- is a separate thing.

Um this is probably the most offensive accusation I have seen anywhere, in any forum, ever. How untterly insensitive and criminal to suggest that another member of the forum is a paedophile simply to make a point. I don't know Eggy at all, and I would venture to say you do not. You may disagree with his position, as I do, but intimating that another is a paedophile, or that any memebers who support Kids online are paedophiles is absolutely offensive. It is thoughtless, in poor taste, and a damned poor show. Were I a Linden, you would be dsiciplined.


As far as the main argument, I am opposed to kids playing what should be an adult game. Give them their own game. Now I know that some kids are here now, and I have played other games with kids, and I have no problems there. But this is, to me, an adult escape. Personally I think the whole notion of even PG sims is silly too. But that is my opinion only.


Jenn

Hmmm do I hit accept or not?

Terms of Service and End User License Agreement for Second Life

March 31, 2005: This version updates the age restriction to allow participants age 13 to 17 into a restricted area of Second Life known as the Teen Grid (Section 2) and adds a section to clarify the DMCA process (Section 12).

1. TERMS OF AGREEMENT

1.1 The Agreement. Linden Research, Inc. ("Linden" offers to allow you to use its multi-player online service "Second Life," use the software provided to you by Linden (collectively, the "Linden Software" and participate in the environments that support the service, including without limitation the websites located at www.lindenlab.com and www.secondlife.com, (collectively, and together with the Linden Software, the "Service" solely conditioned on your agreement to all of the terms and conditions contained in this Terms of Service document (the "Agreement" and your compliance with the posted Community Standards on the Second Life website which you can find at this link: www.secondlife.com/corporate/community.php. Your use of the Service constitutes your agreement to all such terms and conditions and your agreement to comply with the Community Standards. To confirm your agreement, you should accept this Agreement. If you do not so agree, you should decline this agreement, in which case you are prohibited from accessing or using the Service. Accessing or using the Service will be considered acceptance of this Agreement.

If you have any questions regarding these terms and conditions or the Community Standards, please contact a Linden customer service representative at [email]Support@lindenlab.com[/email].

1.2 Changes to these Terms. Linden reserves the right to change the address of its Website at any time for any or no reason. Linden may amend this Agreement (including without limitation the pricing terms set forth herein) and/or modify the Community Standards at any time in its sole discretion by posting the amended Agreement or modified Community Standards at http://www.lindenlab.com, http://www.secondlife.com, another current website designated by Linden or by communicating these changes through the primary contact methods you have established with us. Amendments to the Agreement will be effective after the amended Agreement is posted. Modifications to the Community Standards will be effective immediately upon posting. Your use of the Service after the effective date of any amendments to this Agreement constitutes your agreement to the amendments. You agree to check this Agreement and the Community Standards periodically so you will be familiar with their content as amended or modified from time to time.

2. ACCOUNTS

2.1 Eligibility. You must establish an account with Linden (your "Account" to use the Service. Standard Accounts are permitted only for adult individuals who are 18 years of age or older. Teen Grid Accounts are for individuals who are at least 13 years of age and less than 18 years of age. Those who meet these standards, open an account and maintain their account in good standing are sometimes referred to in this Agreement as "Participants." By accepting this agreement in connection with a Standard Account you represent that you are an adult 18 years of age or older. By accepting this agreement in connection with a Teen Grid Account you represent that (i) you are at least 13 years of age and less than 18 years of age; (ii) you have read and accept this Agreement; (iii) your parent or legal guardian has consented to you having a Teen Area Account and participating in the Service; and (iv) your parent or legal guardian has read and accepted this Agreement.

2.2 Registration Obligations. You agree to provide true, accurate, current and complete information about yourself as prompted by the registration form ("Registration Data" and maintain and promptly update the Registration Data to keep it true, accurate, current and complete. Linden reserves all rights to vigorously pursue legal action against all persons who misrepresent personal information or are otherwise untruthful about their identity.

2.3 Account ID. You must choose an account name to identify yourself to Linden staff (your "Account ID" and choose character names for your characters in the Service (each a "Character Name". You may not select as your Account ID or Character Name the name of another person, a name which violates any trademark right, copyright, or other proprietary right, a name which may mislead other Participants to believe you to be an employee of Linden, or a name which Linden deems in its discretion to be vulgar or otherwise offensive. Linden reserves the right to delete or change any Account ID or Character Name for any reason or no reason. You are fully responsible for all activities conducted through your Account or under your Account ID.

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If I dont agree with the new TOS, do I get a refund?

Heh well mabey its jsut my brother, I showed him a simple listen script when he was over at my apartment one day and he was like " That looks worse than my math homework.

I feel like I am being put in a catch 22 here. If i disagree I kiss all my land and L$ goodbye. If I say I agree then I get my land and L$. Thanks a lot.

What part is bothering you Cat?

Terms of Service and End User License Agreement for Second Life

March 31, 2005: This version updates the age restriction to allow participants age 13 to 17 into a restricted area of Second Life known as the Teen Grid (Section 2) and adds a section to clarify the DMCA process (Section 12).


agree or hit the quit button hmm.

If its on a teen grid then why is it in the adult grid tos? I don't understand this at all.

ps Honestly Nolan I kinda feel like I'm being held over a barrel here another word comes to mind that is a bit more harsh. Anyway my point being either I agree to the kiddie grid or I forfit all my lindens, land and MY content.

NO THIS DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME LL.

Ahhh, I see. It's only temporary, and interaction between the sections is not possible as per Robin's statement earlier:

"In the for what it's worth department, we are not planning to allow teens into the main Second Life grid.

The Teen Grid is separate, you can't see it, you can't go there, they can't see you, and they can't join you.

We all know that kids have been in Second Life -- we escort them out on a regular basis, and we'll continue to do so."

Then why include it in the TOS and us on the adult grid HAVE to abide by?

please provide the link to this statement.

If I am reading it correctly, it doesn't place any additional strictures on the adults, it's just a mechanism to have the kids agree to abide by the ToS as well. In other words, when you click agree, you are agreeing as an adult and likewise for the teens. It's not changing anything else.

I know a few minors in game and they are more mature then some of us adults

Technically, it doesn't even matter what she said anyway. A line from a song comes to mind here: "It don't mean nothin', no victim no crime, no it don't mean nothin' 'till you sign it on the dotted line ..."

Sorry. I've seen too many broken promises by Mythic Entertainment to take anything ever said by a dev -- EVER -- with anything but the barest grain of salt.

It's in this thread a couple pages back: /120/2f/23935/16.html#post437469

Here is the bump from Vektor Linden that started this thread back up today:
/120/2f/23935/14.html#post437052

Edited to fix second link.

It's highly likely that some kids can drive more maturely than some adults, maybe we should just give them licenses? Can you imagine if because some kids drive better than some adults we suddenly opened the roads to people under the legal driving age? Same goes for gambling, drinking and any other mature things. Should we abolish all those laws because "some" kids are more mature than some adults with respect to those areas?

There are idiot adults, but you know what, if they break laws, THEY are responsible, not their parents or other adults (Linden Lab in this case). Maybe we should just start throwing kids in regular federal prisons for crimes commited while underage? Would that be a fair trade off?

Let me say something .. I realy not agree with that ... more adult are more immature than minors .......

Good point there.

Ok I'm not talking about the TOS on www.secondlife.com and I'm not talking about any quote from any LL employee. The TOS I'm talking about is the one I quoted and read earlier today after I downloaded 1.6 update. The one I have to agree to before playing 1.6.

The one I read gave me a choice two buttons; "accept" or "quit"

"Terms of Service and End User License Agreement for Second Life

March 31, 2005: This version updates the age restriction to allow participants age 13 to 17 into a restricted area of Second Life known as the Teen Grid (Section 2) and adds a section to clarify the DMCA process (Section 12). ..."

The one you quoted above no? That's the one I am trying to interpret, and although Robin's post wasn't directly related to your quoting of what you read upon logging in, I do think it's pertinent to the issue. That portion of the ToS is for the kids, not us.

Hugs Cat.

Nolan the problem I am having is if it doesn't apply to the main grid or to me as an adult then why do I have to agree to it before I can log into 1.6.

The only thing it does is make me assume that the kids will be on the main grid tbh.

Hugz ya back thanks for talking this out with me.

It only applies to you if you are in that age group.

maybe so Nolan but who ever is writing the tos updates needs to be a lot clearer. Chances are a lot of ppl will misunderstand that just as I have.

o.k. whats a kid ?

Some kind of goat.