No kids in the real SL, EVER!

Whoa I just moved to SL two days ago from that horrid freakshow kiddyland called There. I did not come here to sit on sex balls and engage in simulated acts of fornication, I just don't see the point. What I DID come here for was the chance to hang out with old online buddies, be able to gamble, be able to talk like a freaking adult for once and nto have a herd of children tell me that I am boring because I talk about subjects over their heads.

Please do not let children into SL. It really does place restrictions on adults and what they can do or say. I am afraid that if children were allowed in, additional TOS would be neccessary so that LL could cover their butts legally. I have no interest in interatcing with children online. They are bratty, rude, and beg for stuff. At least that's how the teens in There act. They think it is fun to grief people, and when they get banned they simply make a new avatar and go at it again.

Of course not all teens are like that, but the majority of people in There who behave in that manner are kids. Granted I have only been in SL a couple of days and don't know the community here as well as I do in There (heck I wasted two years in There lol) I do know that the majority of adults do not want to interact with children. Those that do are the ones you gotta watch out for.

But minors are already here, so why would you care about that theory.

No, I have total respect for teenages, I myself am 18. It's just the fact that SL is NOT a place for persons under 18 to be exploring...Would you want your kids to show up into one of thoese massive orgys or sex shops? I think not. Another point being that the majority of kids ruin gaming experiences. Im not saying that all of them do but numbers talk....

Are you outing yourself as a minor? cause the only person in SL you can be sure what they are is you. Everyone else is just what they present themselves as and I don't care if someone is a minor as long as they behave themself and don't run around acting like an asshole. But the official stand of LL is no one under 18 allowed in the main SL grid so if I find someone who openly claims to be a minor then I'll report it to the lindens.

Agreed

Well I guess it's not worth arguing, it's not going to happen anyway.

I like how this has turned into the commie trials of the 50's suddenly. No I'm not a minor but I have many minor friends.

Ima take this one on.



Agreed. I have known some minors in the game. BUT! By forbidding their presence you do two things:

1. You add one more layer of protection from liability for the adults in SL that may be dragged into court for unknowingly exposing a minor to adult material.

2. You force the minor to moderate their own behavior for fear of being discovered.

We will never be able to keep 100% of the minors out, but if you give them the green light to be here then we lose both of these benefits.




Out and out rudeness is uncalled for towards teens. HOWEVER from an adult point of view you must remember the nature of our interaction with teens... They are normally not held responsible for their own actions (by the law or society) while you as an adult MAY be held responsible for..THEIR ACTIONS.

I would hate to treat someone like a different species, but if I suspect someone is a teen they had better be VERY MATURE for their age or I am going to report them to the Lindens.

Sorry but I just don't believe their decsision on minors is going to effect anything at all.

One young man did tell us his age and was so excited about what he could learn on SL. It was couragous to inform the Lindens of this situation while also heartbreaking to know the very intelligent child lost an outlet of creativity. Children do not belong on SL. If there is another SIM website out there in internet land, it would be nice to have a link from the SL information page to refer these young artists for their learning and development.
Even a restricted area on SL is risky at best.

Commie trials...please.....we prefer it likened to the Spanish Inquisition... we have many implements to torture the youth of SL with

Yeah I've been playing mature rated games since second grade. And look how screwed up I am.

Mind if I enter that into my lexicon?

Well seeing as this is a text based forum and we don't know you we can't tell if you are screwed up or not....but that is indicitive of an arguement a minor would use

...what would really be awesome would be to figure out a way to keep the teens out who are using mama's CC

I worked as head security officer for one of the contending top clubs for several months. During that time, I had a huge number of griefers admit/confess to being less than 18, many many of them 12-14. I found this most disturbing, in a definate adult atmostphere. These children were taking part in sexual activities. We do not need or want children in the game. We need and want them in their own, one suitable for their maturity.

Do you all want proof of age so you can feel stupid then?

Righhhht. And some minors drink under age. Some drive under age. let's just throw all the rules out the window then. This is the most ridiculous line of logic when it comes to this issue. You are a perfect example of the problems that will culminate from an overly permissive society with respect towards children.

Yes

Well you are in a bit of a fix, aren't you. Given the nature of your posts you are either a perfectly normal and healthy minor, or a grown adult that still needs to wear a bicycle helmet when you go outside.

BOO YA! SHE SHOOTS SHE SCORES!!

Seriously though. If you don't tone it down it will be the Lindens asking for proof of age.

Yes lock your children away I've come to destroy their minds.

They can ask me for proof of age, I'm not a minor.

Didn't read through 24 pages of replies just to say this, but ...

Based on prior experience, a prediction: minors in SL are inevitable. That's right: inevitable. In any situation where a decision like this must be made by an MMO company, just look for the decision that will yield the company the greater short-term profit and follow your nose, 'cause that's where it's going to go pretty much no matter what.

This brings to mind the old buffbot issue in Mythic's Dark Age of Camelot. In a nutshell, for those who don't know, a buffbot is a second character on a second account that "buffs" the player's first character with spells, making that character approximately three times as powerful as it would normally be. The bot then sits in a safe, unreachable location while the main character goes out and rips everyone to shreds in PvP (in DAOC, there are special designated areas for PvP). With the way Mythic set up the DAOC buffing system (the buffs last indefinitely), this is incredibly practical and effective.

Honest people who really understood the issue when it first came to light (sadly few in number) would freely admit that the existance of bots unbalanced the game horribly, even if they had started using bots themselves just to be able to compete. People also proposed PLENTY of GOOD suggestions for ways to revise the game's buffing system so as to eliminate the bot problem.

But what do you think Mythic saw when it saw buffbots? It saw the following:

1. Anyone with a buffbot was effectively paying out twice as much per month.

2. As more and more people got buffbots, more and more people had to GET buffbots to remain competitive.

3. For all their threats, most of the people who complained would probably stay on anyway (and maybe even finally get bots as well) because MMOs are addictive like that.

In short (too late for that! ), Mythic went straight for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and actually made buffbotting EASIER to accomplish by making it possible to run two instances of the DAOC client on a single computer (so that people wouldn't need a second computer to buffbot). This isn't a rant about buffbotting, as DAOC is a thing of the past for yours truly. The point is that appealing to the Lindens on the grounds that you don't want to see minors in the game will almost certainly prove ineffective. Rather, more than likely, the one thing that will guide LL's decision is simply this: which decision will yield a greater short-term profit?

Then stop acting like one

Who's attacking who here?