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No kids in the real SL, EVER!

Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 12:42
From: daniel Clymer
Who's attacking who here?


I think the adults are attacking the minor.
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Nolan Nash
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03-31-2005 12:43
From: daniel Clymer
Did you all have bad experiences with your kids?

Nope, it's just that we were all kids once.
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daniel Clymer
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03-31-2005 12:44
I think the minors are attacking the major.
Erikk Steele
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03-31-2005 12:47
Alex, you beautiful sexy girl, you hit the nail dead on, as usual. The problem, morally vacant as it is, is not going to go away, and all this is vain. So be it, then. In the end, mommy and daddy dont give a rats ass what their kids do, as long as it doesnt affect them immediately in a negative way.
Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 12:53
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
Didn't read through 24 pages of replies just to say this, but ...

Based on prior experience, a prediction: minors in SL are inevitable. That's right: inevitable. In any situation where a decision like this must be made by an MMO company, just look for the decision that will yield the company the greater short-term profit and follow your nose, 'cause that's where it's going to go pretty much no matter what.

This brings to mind the old buffbot issue in Mythic's Dark Age of Camelot. In a nutshell, for those who don't know, a buffbot is a second character on a second account that "buffs" the player's first character with spells, making that character approximately three times as powerful as it would normally be. The bot then sits in a safe, unreachable location while the main character goes out and rips everyone to shreds in PvP (in DAOC, there are special designated areas for PvP). With the way Mythic set up the DAOC buffing system (the buffs last indefinitely), this is incredibly practical and effective.

Honest people who really understood the issue when it first came to light (sadly few in number) would freely admit that the existance of bots unbalanced the game horribly, even if they had started using bots themselves just to be able to compete. People also proposed PLENTY of GOOD suggestions for ways to revise the game's buffing system so as to eliminate the bot problem.

But what do you think Mythic saw when it saw buffbots? It saw the following:

1. Anyone with a buffbot was effectively paying out twice as much per month.

2. As more and more people got buffbots, more and more people had to GET buffbots to remain competitive.

3. For all their threats, most of the people who complained would probably stay on anyway (and maybe even finally get bots as well) because MMOs are addictive like that.

In short (too late for that! ;) ), Mythic went straight for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and actually made buffbotting EASIER to accomplish by making it possible to run two instances of the DAOC client on a single computer (so that people wouldn't need a second computer to buffbot). This isn't a rant about buffbotting, as DAOC is a thing of the past for yours truly. The point is that appealing to the Lindens on the grounds that you don't want to see minors in the game will almost certainly prove ineffective. Rather, more than likely, the one thing that will guide LL's decision is simply this: which decision will yield a greater short-term profit?


Linden Lab's quest for cash-o-la is understanable but they do not tolerate minors, even with a wink and a nudge, in SL. You will likely see them open a separate grid just for teens to help tap that market but teens will never be permitted to mingle in the adult grid.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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03-31-2005 12:55
Hey, that'd be great! With any luck, you're right, and it'll all be kept nice and separate. Not meaning to be so cynical, but just ... prior MMO experience has kind of led to that, you know? ;)

Heyyy Erikk! =) *waves*
nivea Manhattan
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03-31-2005 12:55
Haha, I find all of this funny. Let me tell a quick story to everyone :-D. On a previous account I once owned, many, many months ago, I met someone who was so mature, so "grown up" acting, that when he told me he was underage, I didn't believe him! Whats funny is that (even though its really pathetic), I know many underage teens who are more mature then the 20+ that play SL. I agree, it's not a place for kids, but I think that there should be a seperate SL, ones especially for the underage, everyone deserves a chance to play SL! Even without the sex, vaginas, etc.. :-P. SL can be a creative game for kids, somehow.. but not with the sex, it will just give many teens ideas... rofl.
Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 12:57
From: nivea Manhattan
Haha, I find all of this funny. Let me tell a quick story to everyone :-D. On a previous account I once owned, many, many months ago, I met someone who was so mature, so "grown up" acting, that when he told me he was underage, I didn't believe him! Whats funny is that (even though its really pathetic), I know many underage teens who are more mature then the 20+ that play SL. I agree, it's not a place for kids, but I think that there should be a seperate SL, ones especially for the underage, everyone deserves a chance to play SL! Even without the sex, vaginas, etc.. :-P. SL can be a creative game for kids, somehow.. but not with the sex, it will just give many teens ideas... rofl.


I'm sure you will see it.

Ugh. I can imagine what it would be like for a Linden to be on duty in a teen grid. :rolleyes:
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03-31-2005 13:01
From: daniel Clymer
All these arguements are pointless because you are all forgetting one important thing:

Minors are already in the game.

Do you think that all 13-17 year olds are so lacking in intelligence that they would tell Linden Labs their age? And it's odd that so many of the adults here have such a lack of respect for teenagers, basically treating them like a different species rather than human beings. Did you all have bad experiences with your kids?



Respect is earned it is not an entitlement. So if 13-17 yo's are here through their own illegal actions we should welcome them? Your not a very good spokesperson for them.
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Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 13:03
daniel seems to have quieted down. He either got a clue and is laying low or the Lindens have already sent him to his room.
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daniel Clymer
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03-31-2005 13:03
I tend to respect someone until something about them causes me to lose the respect.
Robin Linden
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03-31-2005 13:03
In the for what it's worth department, we are not planning to allow teens into the main Second Life grid.

The Teen Grid is separate, you can't see it, you can't go there, they can't see you, and they can't join you.

We all know that kids have been in Second Life -- we escort them out on a regular basis, and we'll continue to do so.
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Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 13:03
Ugh. spoke too soon.
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daniel Clymer
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03-31-2005 13:04
Aimee you're the one attacking me. I am simply stating my view which is the purpose of this thread.
Alex Fitzsimmons
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03-31-2005 13:07
From: Robin Linden
In the for what it's worth department, we are not planning to allow teens into the main Second Life grid.

The Teen Grid is separate, you can't see it, you can't go there, they can't see you, and they can't join you.

We all know that kids have been in Second Life -- we escort them out on a regular basis, and we'll continue to do so.


Now here's the BIG question: do you think you can keep the hot-shot scripters like grandduke Ferdinand from finding a way to break into the Teen Grid?

Not saying you CAN'T, but ... so far, Duke seems to be able to act with impunity, even when people try to have Lindens deal with him.
Ghoti Nyak
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03-31-2005 13:07
From: Robin Linden
We all know that kids have been in Second Life -- we escort them out on a regular basis, and we'll continue to do so.


Thanks!

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nivea Manhattan
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I agree
03-31-2005 13:09
I agree with Daniel, I mean, many minors are already playing this game, I know a lot of teens that are immature and I don't have any respect for, but I don't see why everyone is JUMPING on every teen, I mean, some of these kids are more mature then the ones who are grown, with kids of their own, etc.. thats kind of pathetic, but this is just my opinion, everyone has their own thoughts, hehe :)
Toy LaFollette
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03-31-2005 13:10
From: daniel Clymer
I tend to respect someone until something about them causes me to lose the respect.


Your posts tend not to show you have any respect for someone elses views.

I respect your views but stating that others should respect teens who illegally join SL, that's a bit much.
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daniel Clymer
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03-31-2005 13:13
I understand why they would have that view, but I do not agree with it. I did not say that you had to respect anyone, mainly just that the arguement is pointless.
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03-31-2005 13:13
From: Toy LaFollette
Your posts tend not to show you have any respect for someone elses views.

I respect your views but stating that others should respect teens who illegally join SL, that's a bit much.



I agree, kids shouldn't illegally join SL, but thats kind of funny the way you put it, no OFFENCE, I don't want any drama starting, but it seems like you're making an excuse just to not like them, If their parents let them play SL, I don't see why it should be up to everyone else :\ I dont know, maybe its because I am really young myself, I am 18.. but I know how many teens feel because theres nothing more that I hate when someone calls me a kid, but hell, I'm legal to play this game.. so bite me.. LOL! Well, everyone has their own opinons, nobody should jump on anyone about them either..
Maeve Morgan
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03-31-2005 13:17
We don't want minors in SL cause we like SL and we don't want LL to go out of business cause some kids mom caught him whacking it in "Club Sexxorx" and sues the hell out of LL for her precious baby being exposed to naughty bits.
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I dont understand why people are fretting so much.
03-31-2005 13:17
LL has patently said that children are not and will not be permitted on the main grid, AND that they will be provided with a teen grid in the future. Repeatedly.

I do not understand why there is so much speculation about teens eventually being allowed on the main grid, because LL already have positioned themselves as permanently banning children from the main grid.

There will always be people, kids in this case, that try to hack the seams and break the rules. I am sure we all did that when we were younger, to some extent. That is why some teens get into the main grid. It isnt because they are allowed...I am hoping that they decide to migrate to the teen grid once it is available as an alternative.

It concerns me that some adults would choose to allow known teens to continue in SL without telling CS. The risk that those adults expose the child to is immense, and it is irresponsible.

I would not want another adult allowing my kid to sneak into a strip club in RL, nor would I want to see another adult allowing my child to sneak around in SL.

If you encounter a child in SL, ask them to leave, tell CS, and let them know that in the future there will be a special SL just for them. They aren't just kids, they are somebody's kid.
Aimee Weber
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03-31-2005 13:18
In the spirit of my gender verification test: (http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=746)

I will now administer the "age verification test" to daniel. daniel please answer the following questions in a timely maner so I know you aren't looking them up online:

How much do you think it costs to rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the suburbs?

Name 3 Michael J Fox movies.

Who was President before Ronald Reagan?

Who is famed for the expression "Yaaaaa That's the ticket"

What is a 401k?


Timer starts...........NOW!
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nivea Manhattan
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03-31-2005 13:20
From: Maeve Morgan
We don't want minors in SL cause we like SL and we don't want LL to go out of business cause some kids mom caught him whacking it in "Club Sexxorx" and sues the hell out of LL for her precious baby being exposed to naughty bits.


Exactly, thats why i dont really think its good for underage kids to play sl, its kind of sick if you hit on someone who turns out to be 12.. you know what im saying? i just didnt like it how everyone is jumping on teenagers because i used to know many people who were underage that were more mature then the grown men and women that played sl, thats all im saying, but it doesnt matter much to me, as long as no kids mess with me or try to cyber me, im all good, otherwise i could care less :\
Alex Fitzsimmons
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03-31-2005 13:21
From: Aimee Weber
In the spirit of my gender verification test: (http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=746)

I will now administer the "age verification test" to daniel. daniel please answer the following questions in a timely maner so I know you aren't looking them up online:

How much do you think it costs to rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the suburbs?

Name 3 Michael J Fox movies.

Who was President before Ronald Reagan?

Who is famed for the expression "Yaaaaa That's the ticket"

What is a 401k?


Timer starts...........NOW!


Aimee, half of the ADULTS won't be able to name more than two or three presidents, and that's counting the court-appointed one currently in office. ;)
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