No kids in the real SL, EVER!

You'd be surprised how young a lot of scripters started learning to code.

Ah, no, you misunderstand. That little comment wasn't intended as an argument against LL's policy but rather simply as a little "while we're on the subject, here's some food for thought" thing. Because it's a bit odd to see people speaking so passionately about protecting children when sex (a thing that brings happiness and even creates life) is on the line, while violence (a thing that brings sorrow and death) pretty much gets a free pass.

LL can set and enforce its policies however it chooses within legal limits, regardless of what we "decide" here. That's a separate issue altogether.

Poo.

I learned coding 25 years ago, when I was 8. I believe that children are very bright, and that is why I am glad they are going to get their own grid. They will have a lot of success there I think.

No sense in debating / arguing over whether or not kids will be allowed in the adult SL.

All it does is beat a horse that is so dead that it has fossilized. Really. Dead issue. No amount of speculation will change the minds of the people over at LL.

Go download 1.6.

/next topic.

Right on, Alex - sorry I misunderstood you

You're right.

"First, we've revised Section 2 to allow people aged 13-17 to participate in a restricted area of Second Life, currently known as the Teen Grid. This change is in preparation for a test of a version of SL especially for teens. The Teen Grid is not yet widely available -- we plan to begin a test by invitation only very soon. The test region will be completely restricted from the main grid. More about that to come.

Second, we've added Section 12 to explain the DMCA process for registering a complaint about a copyright violation. This process is also explained on the website at DMCA."

LL does NOT have the resources to handle the main grid. I think this is a huge error in judgement. I can only hope that the kids now move off the main grid and into their own little area. Unfortunately I think its more likely that they will try and get on the main grid causing even more "grief" than we are experiencing now. I'm going to assume that the invites are sent to the kids who have inquired about joining SL already. Or those that were banned from SL because they were found to be kids.

I don't understand the point of allowing kids in SL. Apparently no one at LL has been to a high school or teen party recently. Although there may be some very talented kids out there I see the negative aspects of this decision far out weighing the positive ones.

LL will you legally protect my child from pedophiles? More so how?


Catherine

Actually, yes, in some ways the Teen Grid will probably quickly surpass us in technical advancement. How can you really hope to compete with these kids who were BORN into the computer age and whose first words were things like "Windows"??

Apparently you are right, as his parents let him play "mature rated games" in second grade.

How old are second graders? 6 or 7? The ESRB didn't go into effect until '94. That puts daniel at a very tenuous 17 to 18 years old. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and accept that he may be 18, what I will not give into is this notion that "my parents let me do it, so everyone else should be able to as well", or "some kids are in here anyways, blah, blah, blah". As I said above, which daniel summarily ignored, some kids drink or drive cars underage, should we just toss out all the laws then? On the same token, if a kid shoplifts, should he be tried in an adult court? The reason such rules exist in societies today is to protect kids, not to oppress them, despite what daniel may think.

ESRB M rating: "MATURE - Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain mature sexual themes, more intense violence and/or strong language."

Note that "17 and older" does not include second graders.

"Minor - noun- One who is below the age when full civil and personal rights can be excercised."
-Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary.

Actually it wasn't called mature, but it was the equivalent back then, when they had that thermometer with the animated blood and gore on the side. The game today is rated Mature.

I have a 17 year old daughter and there is no way in hell she would ever have my permission to be in this world. I applaud Linden Labs for wanting to give teens a place to enjoy the virtual, but very strongly believe that mixing that vision with Second Life as it stands is truly a recipe for ruin on many, many levels. I would much rather see a 'Second Life - Teens!' or some such.

Not all parents are of the mindset that video games lead to violence.

But they do! Just the other day, after a game of UT 2004, I went outside and found an AVRiL, a Mine Layer and a Raptor all waiting for me. So after a quick neighborhood bloodbath, it was off to find that twit co-worker of mine who keeps leaving all of the work for me to do ...!

Those pesky co-workers. They only get the idea when you point a rocket launcher directly at them.

But you really have to spawn-camp them before they get the point.

(Actually, it's been ages since I played that game. 'Twas the only FPS I ever tried, and it got boring after a lil' while ...)

I played the demo, but I was more into battlefield vietnam.

Pfft, Why not, I say let them in, heck you already know there are uncountable numbers who have stole mommy n daddys Credit Card and Lied about there age.

Just when they do sign up, make them limited to a G rated areas or there own island. Objects created in PG MA could not be rezed in a G rated area. But objects created in the G area could be rezed in PG and MA. And adults could not give objects to a minor. or build in a G rated area. Adults could not own G rated land. Only thing the adults could do would be to go to these G rated areas and see what the kids have been making and talk/teach.

Basically separation of them from us, but we still have the option of going there.

I think it could be fun.

Places like The Edge in SL are just basically big virtual pornos.. not like children don't turn on HBO deep at night and watch that stuff, I know when I was 14 I did.. ROFL

I'm sorry all, but living next to NYC and seeing 9/11 firsthand kinda got me off most things violent. Even Diablo II lost interest for me. And of course no MMO (until Uru Live and Until Uru) was possible to join then, since the main or final focus tends to be PvP.

Here, its possible to find non-mature, non-violent content. I seek it out, foster its development when I can, however I can. And occasionally try to swing players who heard about Uru Live over to Until Uru, as an adjunct or alternative.

I know many people in Until Uru who cannot join SL because they are 'minors.' Personally I would not even know that on- or offline unless they said so (some have as I discuss SL there a bit). And they're a lot more mature than this mid-30's adult is sometimes.

Regardless, I'm a bit torn by the Teen Grid. My main concern like most is the thinning of LL resources, which appear rather thin already in regards to things like the TOS etc. from what I've been following in some threads. The other is proper isolation of the logins (which if kept in the user database it should not be a big deal, since then you cannot hack your way between grids - sort of like the isolation of the Main and Preview grids but stronger).

For now, lets rest the issue and see how LL plans to implement this. *Then* let the true discussion begin.

MY GOD ARE ALL OF US STUPID???
THERE ARE SOME OF THE YOUNGER GENERATION THAT CAN SPEAK VERY INTELLEGENTLY.
I HAVE A BOY WHO SPEAKS WELL BEYOND HIS AGE AND HE IS 14.
I PERSONALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM ON SL BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE IMMATURE ADULTS THAT I MEET EVERY DAY.
I AM NOT FOR THE TEEN GRID BUT ITS WHEN YOU GO AND SAY SHIT LIKE "but can you seriously have a genuine, logical and intelligent conversation with a kid? I don't think so. "
THEN YOU REALLY NEED A REALITY CHECK.

Woah... This monster is back already?

Dayum I thought people had better things to do then argue over issues (or lack of) like this.

- Sam

Go ask your boy to show you where the caps lock key is

This is why I love Talen.

NO WAIT; WHY FIGHT IT? LET'S ALL TALK IN ALL CAPS! IT'S LIBERATING! IT'S LIKE WHEN FOR THE LONGEST TIME YOU TRY TO GET THAT KID WHO KEEPS KICKING THE BACK OF YOUR SEAT IN THE AIRPLANE TO STOP DOING IT THE NICE WAY, BUT OF COURSE HIS PARENTS WON'T DO A THING TO CONTROL HIM, AND THEN FINALLY YOU'RE LIKE, "SCREW IT," AND YOU REACH BACK, GRAB THE LITTLE TWERP, AND PLANT HIS SMIRKING LITTLE FACE NOSE-FIRST INTO THE VERY SEAT HE CAN'T SEEM TO OTHERWISE STOP KICKING. WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE THAT VERY MUCH. PLUS, NOBODY EVER ACTUALLY DOES THAT. WE JUST THINK ABOUT DOING IT. AND I'M A LITTLE DRUNK. NEVERMIND.

Usually im in support of things LL does.
But here goes another one of those "fk you guys we are doing whatever we want" situations.

If I remember correctly, A teen grid, would be sepret from the main grid.
It will be agenst the rules for any teen to join or visit the main grid, and agenst the rules for any adult to visit the teen grid.
BUT the money will be one and the same.

HALF of our money will be in the hands of kids, .....

Not saying that this is a fact, But it almost seems as one,

Remember the changes in stipend. etc.
50% ?
2 grids. 2 halves ?