No kids in the real SL, EVER!

LOL under 18 not in the adults grid! LOL sure! then there is a santa! HAHHAHAHHAHHA

Last time I checked people where talking about a GAME.
Although you where using your comments as references, learning and having fun in the game arent things you do time for.

"Instead why not give them a chance and apply the same rule used on adults... "if you mess up, you get banned". that simple."

Perhaps its good I just stick to building and not so much on socializing.

No offense to anyone, I just cant understand the seriousness of this topic.
Avatar sex... oh my!!!

We are not living in the 60's people.
Todays youth are far more aware of things than most adults give them credit for.

When I joined SL it was an adults only game/metaverse. We all know there are kids here, and when they are found they are shown the door.

When is this grid expected, so we can know when to be prepared?

Oh....

Oh my God...

Oh my God no....

Okay, there is a label, right my my tush, that says:

"Do not expose Rebeccah Baysklef to minors. Trauma may result".

For both parties.

Please, no minors if it can at all be helped, in SL.

The problem isn't so much the immaturity of kids, as there's plenty of that from adults too. It's annoying yes, but usually doesn't get worse than that. And there's no law (natural or manmade) against immaturity in adults anyway.

But may the universe save us from lawyers and politicians getting in on the act if minors are in the same universe as the adults. It's not merely unthinkable, it could well be terminal for the fortunes of LL. I'd certainly be out of here.

Ok. I'll admit this. I do know a minor on SL (He's 15) and I know there a few of them roaming around. But the thing is, if they see its 18+ and sign up, they're going to be mature. They dont want to blow their cover and get banned. If we allow kids SL will go the way of habbo (Havn't played that game in ages, but kids ruined it). You sit in your room while 50 5 year old leg humpers beg for free stuff. Or claim they were 'hacked' and want free stuff. There will also be those anti-social 13 year olds who make their 'hacks' for the games which will be used by tons of SKs (script kiddies) who will get free stuff. LL then has to patch these hacks which takes time away from improving the game. They will also have to make 'scammed support' . LL will be so busy dealing with the kids, that our grid will be 'trapped in a moment', rarely getting updated. I say we should let the kids who already sneak on stay... They're mature enough to handle it. Infact the 15 year old i know is amazing at scripting and building. He taught himself, didnt go around asking everyone to help him because hes new. If the kids on now are going to be mature enough that we dont recognize them, let them stay.
If we let other kids on, everywhere you go 8 year olds going 'hehe i found a penis' or 'look i can be a girl and go naked' NO KIDS NO KIDS NO KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If LL lets kids on, the majority of adults will leave, and SL will be known as a kiddie name. Not the mature, fun game that it once was.

Simply put: Absolutely not!

Make another grid for kids, call it something other than SL, and for the love of god don't let them know SL is just like what they have only with 'adult' stuff. Especially since there is no real way to verify ages: If they turn 18 and find this place... great! They'll be more than welcome here then.

Keep them away. I happen to enjoy being able to have an intelligent or adult conversation without a teenager or pre-teen walking up and either acting retarded or knowing it all. It'll save me the time of having to type:
"Since you know everything about life, why haven't you moved out of your parent's house?"
(Don't get it twisted either.... I do say that to adults too, but not as much as I do the kids.)

Don't get me wrong. I like kids. I am amazed at some of the things that they create that adults cannot do. (I.E. Scripting, designing, etc.... that I've seen them do in other games.)

Just because there are positives for kids, does not mean that kids should get the green light into SL. There are more negatives that pertain to letting kids into SL than there are positives. When I want to play with kids and adults alike, I play Counter-Strike, CoH, AW, Runescape, or There.

I'm in SL because it's a relatively kid-free area. I am also (obviously) not the only one.

Everything else from immature behavior to scamming.... There are adults that do that here.
No need to add more fuel to an already burning fire.

The two main and prominent reasons why kids should not be allowed in SL:

1.) They're vulnerable. SL started as an "adult" world. You know that anywhere online there are some really unstable people. You know how freaky some people get up in here with other adults. (And I don't mean in a good sexual way I mean in the: 'Oh my fuckin god; this is a person I'd never want to run into offline'/'I'm debating upon getting a restraining order.'/'Yeah I've read the Karma-Sutra. Sure I'll meet you at that club, if I'm not there wait for me. ::google-stalks self and all online aliases to make sure there is no way in hell this person could find me, and god are they gonna be pissed when I don't show.::' way.) Starting something for adults, and then letting kids in, is a bad idea. Sends mixed messages to the kids. This is only the player aspect of SL that I am making reference toward.

2.) The profit at the start would be good, but the long term headaches aren't worth it. The 18+ does work as a deterrent for some kids. But, if the kids know there is another part to SL where they're not supposed to go.... Kids will be kids and try to get in. I don't want to see SL shut down because they let kids in without knowing. Next thing you know 50, 100, 150, etc... kids somehow got into the "adult" areas and parents are going nuts seeing that their kids are playing in the "adult" SL without their consent. I'm just talking content on this one. Objects, anims, clothes, etc...

Kids = Liability central.

I'm against it wholeheartedly.
If you're gonna make a world for kids.... Please, please, please, make it under another name and don't affilliate it with the 'adult' SL. If you have ways to verify ages better, fine. When they hit 18... send them here, but not a day before then.

Just my humble opinion.

OH NO!! please say they are not concedering it . sighs
after coming to SL from another online community that does let under 18 come into game
this is a haven.. please dont get me wrong on that i found there are some young adults that conduct themselves as adults and for them its a to bad they dont get to experience the oppertunities that SL will give them. but as a whole the immaturity of most will cause more problems then i think LL will want on their hands.
I've seen how most of those young gamers run around doing their best to grief.. slander..and be general pain the the bum to other players not to mention how are they going to restrict the younger players to only PG places? hmm now thats a good question you cant . maybe they can put an parental control on them LOL ah well . all in all I think it would be in the best interest of all if we keep it just like it is and keep the kiddos out

Hmm. Maybe the spectre of childroons running around SL would force some of the more unseemly bits of the community (and let's be frank, there's a lot of it) out of the public eye.

LF

I know its hopeless, and we can't stop it, but I feel I have to say it.

I thnk that creating a teen grid will, in the longterm, be disastrous.

Why? Because it will involve hugely increasing youngster's awareness of SL's existence, and what it exactly is.

Increasing awareness by

a) Advertising the teen grid in teen magazines, television adverts, etc
b) Articles reports and reviews in the teen media
c) Direct experience of joining the teen grid, seeing what it is, and learning from others of the existence of another place (the main grid) where all the restrictions are gone, with lots of "grown-up" content, and hugely more shops, products, events etc.
d) Learning about the existence of an "adult" version of their own limited forums, where much more advice, free scripting etc is available.
e) Saying goodbye to their older friends as they graduate up, leaving them behind.

Any teenager I've ever known, and I know lots including my own, can only react in one way. Dissatisfaction with the "baby" grid and a determination to sneak onto the main grid if they can.

How difficult will that be ? They already used a grown-ups card for their subscription once. Not much problem to do it again "oh dad, that last payment screwed up...." or even when theyre being allowed another purchase. It wouldnt look much different on the credit card statement either.

Even if the parent looks over their shoulder while they're online, the two grids would look much the same.

So why does it matter?

We only need one case of a child being met and harmed through SL, and the implications could pull the whole thing down and destroy it. That's why. I can just imagine the lawyers making precisely the case I just did above. Naive of LL to believe they can publicise it to children without seducing them into the main grid. Anybody rational could have predicted it, etc, etc.

What if a hard porn site started a "junior branch" with lots of decently clothed girls on display (bikinis on, at least, and lots of "kissing only" clinch pictures). Then automatically graduated them up to an identically organised and configured "hard-core" version at 18 ?
Even transferring otherwise erased assets and investments, to induce them to join. Any court would rip them to shreds.

And how about the permission the parents give ? Will it be fully informed ? Will they be told exactly how explicit and hardcore the big brother of the thing they are agreeing to really is ? Maybe many would feel that inserting their child into something that leads to such a destination, even at 18, would be something they would prefer not to do. As in my hardcore-porn-site analogy.

In my opinion main grid SL is something that should only be entered by adults, who found it for themselves, decided for themselves, and did not graduate to it from some parent-approved more innocent child's version.

The other side of the coin is that some more innocent graduaters may be shocked and horrified by what they discover, yet reluctant to decline the offer because of everything they have already invested.

So. I think this is a bad idea from every angle. Ours. Theirs. Their parents. Society. Sl's financial and legal survival.

Once done, if my predictions come true, SL's only way to correct the error (a year down the line) would be to expurgate adult material from the main grid in self-defense (maybe under widespread media criticism and exposure ?).

Do we want that ?

Guys, relax. I was at the original broadcast of the repeater talk. They're going to make a separate grid, we won't be allowed there, and they won't be allowed here.

Personally I'm all for it. SL has lots to offer for everyone. The only downside, is adults like me who are very interested in education in SL can't interact with some of the kids to teach them things. And it would seem as though teachers would be prevented from taking kids in to teach them in SL as well, but maybe there's an exception for that.

I joined sl because it was an over 18 group of ppl. I would like it to remain so.

It's LL's choice to open the flood gates and it's our choice to react to that decision.

I don't want think it's wise to advertize SL for ppl of all ages, even with them being on seperate grids. Why? Because I know damn well there are those who would cross the line on both sides. Some for pure intention, some for anything but. Reguardless when the gates are open it's the subcriber base that will have to deal with the fall out. Lets not put blinders on and hope for the best, that is just stupid.

As for those who say "there are smart kids already playinging in SL". My reply, well ya better steer clear of me, because I will report your underage ass!

Cat

* yes I already said this and it needs to be said again*

Jesus Christ yall, you are acting liek the kids will be standing side by side with you, eating your grandpa wheat flake cereal.

It is a SEPERATE KIDS 13-17 GRID.

If its gonig to be a pedophile playground, dont let your kids participate, simple as that, I mean you can walk in on them playing the game and you will know what it is if they steal your card or something. I have a 14 year old brother who wants to play SL bad as hell, and bitchin at me everytime he comes over to my apartment to watch me play it. And it will be watched by tons loads of Lindens, and probably have a closing time (12 AM I guess). You arnt gonig to be playing it so does it matter?

Who cares. ^_^

I agree with Chalky White, and not just because of my av's skin color!

SL is a virtual world, but, as evidenced by the economy, it also closely mimics RL society. If we let minors into SL, then a wave of political repression--"to protect the children"--is inevitable. I fear this could happen even with a separate, kid-friendly grid.

Please, keep SL for adults. We need a place, too.

So you advocate blinding and shackling all teens? Umm..they are already aware of far more than you think they are apparently. Everyone one of them. Even those with paranoid, fundamentalist parents.

If they have access to a PC, they can already, and probably do already, know all about adult content and virtual reality..etc..etc..

Please let them grow up, while keeping an eye on them.




So you want LL to be every teenagers parent now? Check out what your kids are doing online from time to time and make sure they aren't playing on the adult grid. You can also check your credit card bills



So once again, expecting LL to police your children, or somoehow make parents act responisibly? Good luck with that philosophy in life.



My guess is that it will be relatively easy to tell if you watch for a couple of minutes. And if in doubt, check it out



Which is of course, ridiculous. Many online environments have had predators attempt to use them, some successfully, and those online envorinments are still around and going strong. All LL can do is put safe gaurds in place and act responsibly, which they are doing. Why deprive teens of such a wonderful experience. The creativity and skills learned in SL, and the ability to learn about others, far outweighs the remote possibility that some predator might somehow sneak in, act like a kid, and be reported as soon as he makes an inappropriate move.



This happens everyday. There are tons of websites with adult sections as well as PG sections. No courts are ripping them up. Thayt's like saying if the parents of a child have x-rated movies or magazines in their home, not accessible to their children, the courts might take their children away for it. Total BS.




The only thing the parents need to be informed of is what content their children will be exposed to, and what safeguards are in place, as that is the only place the parents are signing them up for. LL certainly doesn't have to inform them of the millions of adult sites/content in the world and on the web.



Umm..guess what....when you are 18 you are considered an adult.



um..these are teens, turning 18, that have the use of a computer, and possibly a telephone, tv or friends?? Chances are they won't be even remotely shocked, though they may decline entering adult SL of course, which is called personal choice.



A bit dramatic, based on falsehoods and niave, but to each their own.

this is stupid, i use my dads account all the time and there are worse things i could find without sl, i could go on the internet and find worse than anything in sl. the lindens have covered their asses with this no younger than 18 allowed nd i think that if parents let kids on then LL shouldnt hve to worry.

I would like a Kids zone as I really want to get my little brother and sister into SL

having a kids only area is what is needed but I also as a normal sl user need access as well (whats the point if we can not enjoy it together)

I do agree however no kids in the normal SL world

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

All In!

I'm in hell...

Uhm... no. this is one of the few instances where there would be a legitimate reason to use Blaze's nuclear device.

old thread..

the answer is what is now known as the TeenGrid.

the sky isn't falling, but please let this post fall..

far, far down...


..into the archives.

old news.

some necroposts had some good points in the original threads, but this.. c'mon.. really..

let this one die. lock it up and throw away the keys.. blech

Heres an idea, stop the sex!

KK Zack, I think we might be able to manage this. HOW ABOUT you make a formal declaration of Celebacy and Chastity, Real Life and Second Life? I mean , Its only fair. Youd be setting a good example for us all.


When you have given up all sex, First Life and Second, and provide proof; Then we can talk about FORCING everyone else to do like you want.


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Geez - I really am tired of people thinking they can tell Adults how they can or should behave.

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Hehe also at some point let old threads die too, PLZKTHNKSBYE.