Log-In Problems

Given that I had a messload of paperclips lieing around from stealing them at work (heeheehee, over 10,000 paperclips I'd say), that I had a lot of times on my hands, I was bored, and I have no experience with metal-working, armory, or the materials to make the metal things, it was the next best thing.

I'll subtly remind you that I have indeed been doing other things than computerized entertainment, Tyler, and if I was actually genuinely annoyed with you, not merely amused by you, I would have simply ignored you a while ago. Besides, I have better things to spend my money on than trips to overhyped tourist traps in Mexico when I live within two hours of some of the best skiing in North America, and an hour from the Pacific Ocean.

I think you just reinforced my point; although I'm not really sure what you said there

I will try to translate
(opens illiterate kiddie translator)

buzzzz whirrrrr ding!

[BEGIN TRANSLATION]

"rynox Zapata are you talking to me? It is called internet chat slang."

[ERROR code 13: Untranslateable string, output is not coherent]
People like that means people you means you
[END ERROR]

"Get some sense, I can type however i want to."

[END TRANSLATION]

Gee even my translator crashes on that crap.....


You are right, you can type anyway you want. What my point is that if you want to post in these forums you should at least try to make it readable or no one is going to bother to read it. If no one is going to read it what is the point of posting? Do you see anyone else in these forums writing (I use the term loosely in your case) the way you do? BTW (oooh I used an internet abbreviation, maybe you can translate that for me...) the answer to that rhetorical question is no.

how come no one replies to me im lonely lol

Uh, actually, this isn't exactly right. Shall we get legalese here?

Regardless of what the TOS specifically states, the implication is that Linden Labs will provide end users with a certain quality of service. If they fail to provide a reasonably expected quality of service, the end user has the right to take exception, complain and even sue if they feel it warranted. And regardless of the existance of that TOS... should that user sue, then Linden Labs WILL go to court and fight a battle. So the TOS is a basic guideline... not the word-o-God.

Sometimes it helps to take something to an extreme to better understand the principle: let's say that Linden Labs had a bug in their service and for 30 solid days people were not able to log on. Would Linden Labs be justified in still charging land owners for the 30 days they did not get to enjoy Second Life? Most courts I think, would say "No, regardless of the statement of the TOS, Linden Labs did not meet the implication of that agreement, and thus has committed breach of implied contract"... such contract being that, "Hey, this is a lot of fun and if you pay us on a monthly basis, you can enjoy that fun!"

So it's not always so black and white, cut and dried. Not that anyone would actually sue Second Life (well, with the possible exception of folks like Anshe Chung would would stand to lose a fortune if excessive downtime were experienced). It's just a thought or two to chew on. Agreeing to the TOS doesn't mean agreeing to anything Linden Labs may throw at us. There is an implication of acceptable service that must be met in return, or the terms of the TOS can become invalid. If Second Life goes down for an entire month or even a week... users have every right to demand prorating of services delivered or a refund if charges have already been applied. Not to mention the fact that if enough users become ticked at Second Life... they can quit Second Life and totally invalidate the TOS by removing their financial support... which has proven to be a very real and valid danger to Second Life... to the tune of possibly thousands of users. (If I read correctly and did not misunderstand-- Second Life has some 35,000 registered users... 1,500 of which were active online within a recent 30 day period. That's not good, eh?). So you see, TOS is just a basic piece of legal paper and like all legal papers-- can be challenged by any user, for any reason, at any time. Mind you, I like the concepts presented in the TOS... if they were only applied consistently and equally to all members.

Meatwad;

Ah. Well, at least it would be reasonably tough. I've moved on to using aluminum, stainless steel, and annealed steel. Aluminum for costume stuff, stainless for welded-mesh stabproof vests, and annealed hand-riveted steel links for historical authenticity. On average, 70,000 1/4" links per hauberk (shirt).

Nope...my SL screen turned white

can you people even read my post cause no one is repliying to them why can i tp when im logged on
i can only stay in 1 area

srry for double post but that can is cant

Didnt work for me either

Because the game itself is broken until Tuesday, shhh

Wow, I know I would not have the patience to do this May I ask how long does it take to make one hauberk?

Wayfinder;

Again, I have little sympathy. Thirty days, I can understand. That would be an entire paid period unserviced. However, there are apparently fixes underway for Tuesday, and while I am skeptical as usual about any sort of patch... there's very little to do now but wait. I'm sure there are plenty of higher-tier members who are disappointed, but let's look at this realistically. Not many landowners actually are above the 1024 tier. For the ones at the 1024 tier, being paid for a 4 day downtime would be a credit of about a dollar. In all honesty? Until this issue actually goes past Tuesday (which it may...), let's leave things at the level they are. You're not going to get a penny out of LL without suing them, and even then, I doubt anyone would succeed in doing so.

I just realized that I could be working on expanding my knowledge of QBASIC and C++ now!

Arianna;

Costume stuff can be assembled rather quickly, as I don't need to weld or rivet the rings, and I use larger rings with thicker wire (3/8" rings as opposed to 1/4" rings with real armor). I can usually assemble costume armor in about three weeks for a full outfit neck to ankles. Real armor takes much more time. Stabproof vests and historically accurate mail shirts? About two to three months, as all the work is done by hand.

was just talking to a friend of mine lucky enough to actually log in tonight and seems we're not missing much other than all attachments coming unattached cant teleport anywhere and things keep disappearing out from under you, just another day in paradise we spend a fortune to be tormented by

Selkit, I think you missed the entire point of my message. I wasn't recommending that people get up in arms and sue the Lindens. I was responding to the people who said, "You agreed to the TOS, you have no right to gripe."

Point made: Sure they do. That right has been legally established for centuries.

As I understand it, at least 90% of that $1000 goes to buy a new commodity processor box to hang on the grid. The $200 / month afterwards goes primarily towards the care and feeding (ie, electric, cooling, and bandwidth costs) associated with the box -- about an average colocation cost.

For the good of the virtual world we all love, I *hope* they're managing to pull a little bit of profit out of that.

Jess

I find disturbing that Second Life received 8 Million Dollars to support this virtual world and they cannot hire ONE person to give us an answer of what is actually going on.

Many people talk about refounds and that they want their tier money back. well folk SL Economy is not only about that. that is just the tip of the Iceberg.

There are a great number of residents that one our of downtime meand a huge money lose. SL is a simulation of the real world and like when the lights went off in New York city millions of dollars were lost. well the same thing aplies to SL. there is a big number of people loosing money as we speak. and this could have serious legal implications to SL.

Why is there noone willing to tell the truth and say "hey we outsource or techsupport to india and they are sleeping right now so we're just playing Halo 2 on xbox live and waiting for them!!!"

I think that more than one time the linden forget that WE ARE ADULTS that paid for this SERVICE with a CREDIT CARD and we need to get what we paid for otherwise they will BE SUED.

I think that just because they see a tiger dressed like a nun and holding a lightsaber they thinnk that we are kids just crying because we dont' have our "game". SL is a service they provide to Adult people that need answers when the Scheibe hits the Fan.

The Lindens need to open they eyes and realize who they are dealing with.


MTFBYWA

Sure, you can gripe, but does it do anything productive? If Linden Labs staff actually paid attention to it, or were authorized to pay attention, they sure aren't.

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS POST OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!! OH MY GAWD DUDE I LOVE YOU. BEST POST.... ITS SO THE TRUTH.

Tyler, before making further posts like you've made insulting people for spending time on Second Life-- maybe you need to take a few things into account:

There are many people who play Second Life and other online community games who indeed have no other life, as you so rudely point out. This is because they are disabled, handicapped, and cannot get out of the house. They cannot drive, have no transportation and no one pays attention to them in the real world, and for them Second Life and other such games are very important. And having it down for a week at a time means they have no outside contact with the world at all. You want to be shut inside your house for the next week with no people contact?

I'm thankfully not in that unfortunate situation. But I know folks who are and I sympathise with their plight. I think you could use a little of the same sympathy.

There are people here who DO have "real" lives... and they use income from Second Life to help support those real lives. Do you care to have $100, $200, $500 taken out of your paycheck this month and your boss say, "Oh durn, Tyler... sorry... you'll receive full pay again next week."

You tell people to get real lives.. and you're about to enjoy the wonderful socially redeeming contribution of POKER NIGHT? I mean, pick your poison guy, but no matter what your form of recreation, I don't think you have any business telling others to get a life.

So chill. Show some respect.

Im with you on that one... We have and hold the right to warn any new commers of problems we have with SL! Problems that they SEEM to be trying to fix.. but have YET to fully fix them.. its insane.. really it is.. almost 4 days now this has been going on.. its about time we as players do something... in RL if this kinda stuff was happening at a work place or anywhere for that matter.. if ppl were not allowed to enter an area that they have worked and paid to enter there would be riots going on and also boycotts.. if Second Life is supposed to be so much like our Frist Life then why not do what we have the right to do! Form a group of ppl that can stand strong.. and if we work together then maybe just maybe things will get fixed around here instead of them hiding them with new updates that fixes small problems but not big ones and updates that gives us perks that we dont need! Its all about understand its not really the Lindens fault but we have to do what we have to do.. and if that means standing up for ourselves as players then by all means lets do it!

Right on the nail head Kyron. If this was a sudden an unexpected thing, I could cut Linden Labs some slack and say, "Hey, stuff happens" and do my best to help them out. But this has been going on for weeks... months.. (and from what I hear years) now... and with the kind of backing they have at this point and the amounts they're charging end users, they really have no wiggle room for such continuing problems.

I mean, this service is a 24/7 system, yes? They don't shut it down in the evenings and on weekends? Then why isn't the system help manned 24/7 for when something like this happens? Why can they not perform the Tuesday release TODAY (really, it can't operate any worse than it is now, can it?). I'm not trying to kick Linden Labs in the shins, but your points are valid and directly stated.

I find disturbing that Second Life received 8 Million Dollars to support this virtual world and they cannot hire ONE person to give us an answer of what is actually going on.

Many people talk about refunds and that they want their tier money back, well folks SL Economy is not only about that, that is just the tip of the Iceberg.

There are a great number of residents that one our of downtime meand a huge money lose. SL is a simulation of the real world and like when the lights went off in New York city millions of dollars were lost. Well the same thing aplies to SL. There is a big number of people loosing money as we speak, and this could have serious legal implications to SL.

Why is there noone willing to tell the truth and say "hey we outsource or techsupport to India and they are sleeping right now so we're just playing Halo 2 on xbox live and waiting for them!!!"

I think that more than one time the linden forget that WE ARE ADULTS that paid for this SERVICE with a CREDIT CARD and we need to get what we paid for otherwise they will BE SUED.

I think that just because they see a tiger dressed like a nun and holding a lightsaber they thinnk that we are kids just crying because we dont' have our "game". SL is a service they provide to Adult people that need answers when the Scheibe hits the Fan.

The Lindens need to open they eyes and realize who they are dealing with.


MTFBYWA