Club Preys on Noobs & Proposed Solution
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Mulch Ennui
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Join date: 22 May 2005
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11-27-2005 15:37
From: CaptnPower Codesmith yes whit a big buisness a lot of ppl think they can get away by selling her free stuff sometimes ppl get hold of ful lperm items and decide to sell rights to other so they them self cant be held acountable
no get 5L from evryone anddonate 10L to noobs makes a freebe table work right
well then tell them to im her and she will remove there stuff things hapens u know not evryone is honest and say that the stuf there giving her is stolen
and mabe not in this case but in other instance it was free stuff uoloaded fromt he net that some persone claimed ot ahve created
again tell them to im said person
dont start ranting if u never did anything to warn her your stuff was stolen
im dislexic i have problem typing corectly i am sorry of this but it is not something i can control Lo, can you translate this? I can't understand a word he said not being insensitive to dyslexics, but this problem seems WAAAAAYYYY beyond dyslexia
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Cristiano Midnight
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Join date: 17 May 2003
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11-27-2005 15:39
From: Cory Edo You hit #3b. Keep trying, collect them all! You just gave me an idea. I need to find some way to use Snapzilla in a Pokemon Snap kind of way, you know, where you take pictures of rare Pokemon and win prizes? We could make a fortune! Oh wait, I don't charge anything, shit.
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Pahoa Jade
Just Me
Join date: 16 Jul 2003
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11-27-2005 15:40
Ok to throw my two cents in, I used to rent vendor space at this club.
I stopped after having sold items to them "for prizes" at unreal low prices.
Didnt know they were reselling them at a profit in another area untill a different party contacted me and told me "we sold all your items, can we buy more at the same deal from you?" Needless to say I wasnt happy to be deceived the first time around and when I expressed this I got an "oh sorry thought you knew".
I left my vendor spot shortly after as soon as the rent expired.
I went to the club a bit later and wandered thru the freebie/cheapie area. There I saw some jewelry I had made that was never given away as a freebie in a box with a bunch of stuff for sale.
I IM'd her and told her please remove it as it was not meant to be a freebie. After a long wait for an answer (she was online at the time) she said "Ok". That's it, no apology.
I went back to check a couple days later and found the box in question was now in another box of goodies. Therefore you cannot check contents.
Has it been removed? No idea
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Kolya Seifert
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Join date: 24 Oct 2005
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11-27-2005 15:41
As I just started a month ago, I've gone around visiting a bunch of places that had boxes of free stuff (or for L$1)... and also wandered around searching various stores as it's all new to me.
There are other popular clubs also selling free stuff. And random stores scattered around too. Clothing, poses, or even buildings, depending on where you look. There's no need to name anyone because it's not just one or a few people doing it.
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Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 15:41
From: Cristiano Midnight You just gave me an idea. I need to find some way to use Snapzilla in a Pokemon Snap kind of way, you know, where you take pictures of rare Pokemon and win prizes? We could make a fortune! Oh wait, I don't charge anything, shit. Well then its entirely your fault if someone resells Snapzilla behind your back. Sheesh n00b Honestly tho that's a good idea, kinda like a scavenger hunt.
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Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
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11-27-2005 15:41
OK I have spoke to the person in question via IM and they said the item were donated for a yard sale, so as such they were sold during a yard sale they had, also some animations may have accidently been put into her animation vendor along with her own animations.
So... Solution... They have now took down all "yard sale" vendors and have went through all thier vendors to be sure that everything in them are indeed her own creations.
She also aknowledges that the sale of freebie items is WRONG.
So hopefully this al cleared up now and there wont be any more freebie sales at this location 
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CaptnPower Codesmith
Second Life Resident
Join date: 9 Nov 2004
Posts: 58
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11-27-2005 15:41
ok im home sick atm so im not gona keep tring to make you see the light
if you are content in living in your delusions then pls do so
i have done nothing but try to calmly reply so flaming posts
so considering oyu dont want to understand or see anything outside of your bung hole i will retire and leave you to your slander
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Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 15:43
From: Kolya Seifert As I just started a month ago, I've gone around visiting a bunch of places that had boxes of free stuff (or for L$1)... and also wandered around searching various stores as it's all new to me. There are other popular clubs also selling free stuff. And random stores scattered around too. Clothing, poses, or even buildings, depending on where you look. There's no need to name anyone because it's not just one or a few people doing it. #2
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Emma Thorn
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Join date: 26 Mar 2004
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11-27-2005 15:43
No one has yet explained how selling a pose that should be free to a noob for L$100 is helping them. I'm really interested to see HOW exactly you think that is helping. Or honest or selfless in ANY way whatsoever.
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Lo Jacobs
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11-27-2005 15:43
I am interested as to why this person hasn't got the balls to come on here and defend herself; she has other people do it for her.
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Surreal Farber
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Join date: 5 Feb 2004
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11-27-2005 15:43
From: Ashling Babka This is not good.
You mean I can no longer get one of those free animal shaped balloons and sell them to some other kid who wants them, just because I got mine for free?
I guess I can't collect cool rocks off a hillside and sell those either, because they were free, eh?
Sounds like if the creator wants to stop that, they DO have the power with "no trans". A lot of people have gone to no transfer. It's one solution and the only one we have atm. It's not a good solution. The idea behind a lot of people making free, full perm items was for them to get passed around, broken down and analyzed, played with, and in general make a new person's SL better. If I have to make that item no transfer to keep other people from selling it, then it can't be freely passed around. It makes it harder for some cool object to make the rounds thus meaning that fewer people will see it. The idea behind most of the free, full perm items where that they would get passed around alot, copied alot and used in the ways that I mentioned. What happens sometimes is that unethical people sell them. Then people stop making them. It doesn't actually hurt the content creators... since they were giving them away for free.. but it hurts the person who pays for it.. especially in this day of tightening $L. I'd really like to see us get some more options.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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11-27-2005 15:44
From: Sensual Casanova OK I have spoke to the person in question via IM and they said the item were donated for a yard sale, so as such they were sold during a yard sale they had, also some animations may have accidently been put into her animation vendor along with her own animations.
So... Solution... They have now took down all "yard sale" vendors and have went through all thier vendors to be sure that everything in them are indeed her own creations.
She also aknowledges that the sale of freebie items is WRONG.
So hopefully this al cleared up now and there wont be any more freebie sales at this location  That's touching, Sensual, but it has been a different excuse every time. She knows exactly what she is doing. She may take it all down right now, but it will happen again - it has been happening repeatedly.
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Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 15:45
From: Sensual Casanova She also aknowledges that the sale of freebie items is WRONG.
The whiplash some people in this thread are going to get from this sentence should be amusing.
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Jillian Callahan
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11-27-2005 15:46
From: CaptnPower Codesmith ok im home sick atm so im not gona keep tring to make you see the light if you are content in living in your delusions then pls do so i have done nothing but try to calmly reply so flaming posts so considering oyu dont want to understand or see anything outside of your bung hole i will retire and leave you to your slander The above is an example of the forum equivelent of stuffing your fingers in your ears and singing "I'm not listening" realy, realy loud.
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Ginger Faust
teh kokabeel
Join date: 21 Nov 2005
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11-27-2005 15:46
In all honesty,the creators need to goto said club,find their items and screenshot them. Put in a report with the Lindens and have them either A: perm removed from there or B: have her removed.
What she is doing is illegal,it is copyright infringement. You can take matters into your own hands and contact the Lindens about this matter if you want to go the legal route. Content created in this game has copyright laws attached to them and infringing them is a big no no.
If you the creators have asked several times for her to remove the items and she has not or has then put them back out ,then you need to seriosuly do something legal about this. It IS writen in the TOS that a creator HAS rights to their material.
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DogSpot Boxer
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
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11-27-2005 15:46
From: Mulch Ennui Its Mulch, not mutch
No, No. It's supposed to be MUCH. I think, because it's hard to read stuff that has no punctuation and lots of stuff not spelled right. Sorry, what I mean is: No, no, it's suposed too be much. I think cos its hard to read stuff that had know punctation an lots of stuf not speeled write.
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Mulch Ennui
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Join date: 22 May 2005
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11-27-2005 15:47
From: CaptnPower Codesmith so considering oyu dont want to understand or see anything outside of your bung hole i will retire and leave you to your slander
#1 If I could see inside my bunghole id be limber enough to do other things that would save me a bunch of money from the random street whores I pick up =) (are cold sores bad, I thought it was just a side effect from crack smoking?) #2 You probably should retire from forum posting, you are not very good at it
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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Join date: 1 Jul 2005
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11-27-2005 15:47
as for the animations yes they were all removed and she said sorry to christian about this long ago if he finds it in a vendor forsale she removes it and did apologies and you know this your just trying to bring up an old arguement that was resolved long ago
as for the other animations again when she was informed they were removed end of story but you continue you go on cause you just like to hear yourself. many of you have nothing to do with this and want to post to brinng up a point that was resolved on page 2.
jade jensen thanks for stating the same shit that was on the last 13 pages why dont you go back to bumping peoples creations down on new products page to keep your creations on top as your known for doing.
chirstian go back to selling the dances that are out there for free you not even putting them out as freebies your selling them for 200-300 each and they weere removed months ago
the rest of you who are also posting cause you want to look special need to move on
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Leilany LaFollette
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11-27-2005 15:47
From: Willow Zander /end obligatory random pic ZOMG!!! It's Laquita!!!! 
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
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11-27-2005 15:48
From: Kolya Seifert As I just started a month ago, I've gone around visiting a bunch of places that had boxes of free stuff (or for L$1)... and also wandered around searching various stores as it's all new to me.
There are other popular clubs also selling free stuff. And random stores scattered around too. Clothing, poses, or even buildings, depending on where you look. There's no need to name anyone because it's not just one or a few people doing it. On the contrary, anytime you see this happening and you have proof, then do pursue it. I would suggest first IMing the content creator and alerting them. I guess if someone is reselling the default Poser poses you could send an email with proof to Curious Labs... sooner or later they are going to get pissed about that. If it seems like a small and innocent thing, then I would IM the owner and talk to them about it. If it's big and seems ongoing, then I would Abuse Report them and shame them. Shaming sucks, but until we get some real enforcement of copyright and fair use, SL is still just a playpen.
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Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 15:50
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk as for the animations yes they were all removed and she said sorry to christian about this long ago if he finds it in a vendor forsale she removes it and did apologies and you know this your just trying to bring up an old arguement that was resolved long ago as for the other animations again when she was informed they were removed end of story but you continue you go on cause you just like to hear yourself. many of you have nothing to do with this and want to post to brinng up a point that was resolved on page 2. jade jensen thanks for stating the same shit that was on the last 13 pages why dont you go back to bumping peoples creations down on new products page to keep your creations on top as your known for doing. chirstian go back to selling the dances that are out there for free you not even putting them out as freebies your selling them for 200-300 each and they weere removed months ago the rest of you who are also posting cause you want to look special need to move on #5
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Mulch Ennui
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11-27-2005 15:51
From: DogSpot Boxer No, No. It's supposed to be MUCH. I think, because it's hard to read stuff that has no punctuation and lots of stuff not spelled right. Sorry, what I mean is: No, no, it's suposed too be much. I think cos its hard to read stuff that had know punctation an lots of stuf not speeled write. o, ok, I thought he was saying he wasn't bitching directly to me From: CaptnPower Codesmith now i know your gona blow shit at wat i just said but i was calm and didnt bitch well not to mutch so go ahead do your worst
I didn't realize dislexia effected spelling, grammer, structure, proper tense, and punctuation
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WhatsGnu Pussycat
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11-27-2005 15:52
I would like to thank this thread for my new title. That is all.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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11-27-2005 15:52
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk as for the animations yes they were all removed and she said sorry to christian about this long ago if he finds it in a vendor forsale she removes it and did apologies and you know this your just trying to bring up an old arguement that was resolved long ago
as for the other animations again when she was informed they were removed end of story but you continue you go on cause you just like to hear yourself. many of you have nothing to do with this and want to post to brinng up a point that was resolved on page 2.
jade jensen thanks for stating the same shit that was on the last 13 pages why dont you go back to bumping peoples creations down on new products page to keep your creations on top as your known for doing.
chirstian go back to selling the dances that are out there for free you not even putting them out as freebies your selling them for 200-300 each and they weere removed months ago
the rest of you who are also posting cause you want to look special need to move on 1) My name is Cristiano, learn how to spell. 2) This issue was brought up by Surreal and Ferran. Ferran contacted me today and told me that my animations were among those that Jenna was selling, so how am I bringing up an old story? If it is such an old story, then why is Jenna STILL DOING IT? 3) Interesting, considering no animation in my store costs more than $100L. Also again, please feel free to point out anything available for free on the web that I am selling. Make sure you include the website, k? Oh, BitTorrent doesn't count as free, it just counts as theft. Though you aren't very clear on what theft is anyway, so why am I bothering to clarify. She knows she is wrong, she has been caught at it yet again, and now she will backtrack all over herself and justify what she is doing. It's all well and good that she is removing the stuff - how about refunding the money back to the customers she sold it to? That would be the ultimate sign of good faith from poor, misunderstood Jenna.
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Amethyst Rosencrans
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11-27-2005 15:52
From: Cristiano Midnight Please show me where any of my animations are default animations from Poser, please. You won't find a single one of them. Next. Also, if I did choose to upload those and make them available for free, as some people have, Jenna has no right to then resell them. That is just lame. The lengths people are going to justify this behavior is sickening, honestly. Do you have zero ethics? I don't know which animations in particular you are talking about. I have not read this entire thread, someone just told me about it. However if this is revolving around the animations in the Promenade dance machines I created then I am solely to responsible for it. I acquired them for free from a yard sale and was under the impression they were free. I bundled them in the dance devices with the same permissions I got them with. They were "bundled free animations" and not what was being sold. The dance machine is what was being sold. At least half of the dances I have the original source material from, which I am sure was not created by you, Mr. Midnight. They were not free but are also not IP of Mr. Midnight. I will pay you the upload fees for the animations plus 10K for you to just stop your complaining. It is not my fault your items ended up in a yard sale because of a glitch in the system. And I am sorry it happened to you, I would be upset if it happened to me too. However, I would be much more sympathetic if your animations were actually original works. If this is solely what you are upset about then all issues should be addressed to me and not to Jenna. Thank you
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