ZOMG bitch ima KICK UR AZZ in teh parkin lot CMON BITCH BRINGIT
FUCK!
Now I feel better about my lemming status.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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11-27-2005 14:55
FUCK! Now I feel better about my lemming status. _____________________
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Merlota Turnbull
Registered User
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 8
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11-27-2005 14:56
I will personally state that on three separate occasions, I have asked Jenna to remove items of mine that she was selling without permission. Each time she complied and said she would not do so in the future. They then appear again at another location, being sold by her. How do you explain this? So taking default animations out of poser and uploading them makes them your own?? Interesting! |
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 14:56
FUCK! Now I feel better about my lemming status. CRIS JUZ BROUGHTEN IT _____________________
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Danny DeGroot
Sub-legendary
Join date: 7 Jul 2004
Posts: 191
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11-27-2005 14:58
You don't know me... nor you. May I put this in my sigline, with proper attribution? |
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Jen Moonlight
Registered User
Join date: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 18
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Woo Hoo!!
11-27-2005 14:58
CRIS JUZ BROUGHTEN IT Grammar at its finest!! Check it out! ^^^ |
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
Posts: 821
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11-27-2005 14:59
Thats cos the simplest observation always proves true LOL priceless, that's not the kind of simple they meant _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-27-2005 14:59
So taking default animations out of poser and uploading them makes them your own?? Interesting! Please show me where any of my animations are default animations from Poser, please. You won't find a single one of them. Next. Also, if I did choose to upload those and make them available for free, as some people have, Jenna has no right to then resell them. That is just lame. The lengths people are going to justify this behavior is sickening, honestly. Do you have zero ethics? _____________________
Cristiano
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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11-27-2005 15:00
To try and get back on track... What can we DO to stop this kind of thing in the future. Content creators have been clamouring for a tighter permission system for awhile. What can we do to get that moved higher in Linden Lab's priorities? How many people in SL learned how to build or script or even do clothes because they had full mod, FREE stuff they could take apart and tinker with? I know I did. These kinds of problems keep popping up. I am much more interested in finding a long-term solution than in short-term finger pointing. It is seemingly impossible to get a Better Business Bureau started.. people keep trying. Suggestions? Oh.. and ignore the flamers.. it's fun to play with them, but doesn't get any progress on a solution I don't know that we can do anything, sadly. We're not only up against a woefully inadequate permissions system, we are up against updates that break them from time to time, people who sit around and try to break them - sometimes successfully, and worst of all, people who think it's ok to steal LEGITIMATE IP protected things because some other dolt is selling a Raiders jersey. *Big sigh* _____________________
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 15:00
So taking default animations out of poser and uploading them makes them your own?? Interesting! Are you KIDDING????? _____________________
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
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11-27-2005 15:00
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 15:02
Grammar at its finest!! Check it out! ^^^ He loves you for your mind, baby. Remember that. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-27-2005 15:03
To try and get back on track... What can we DO to stop this kind of thing in the future. Content creators have been clamouring for a tighter permission system for awhile. What can we do to get that moved higher in Linden Lab's priorities? How many people in SL learned how to build or script or even do clothes because they had full mod, FREE stuff they could take apart and tinker with? I know I did. These kinds of problems keep popping up. I am much more interested in finding a long-term solution than in short-term finger pointing. It is seemingly impossible to get a Better Business Bureau started.. people keep trying. Suggestions? Oh.. and ignore the flamers.. it's fun to play with them, but doesn't get any progress on a solution Unfortunately, as the genie is out of the bottle on a lot of these items that were not meant for resale, along with a lack of a transfer but no sale permission, there is very little that can be done. When I have been made aware of it by friends, I have tracked down the individual in question and asked them to remove them. More often than not, they have been reasonable about it. They often don't realize it. I don't think Jenna can use that justification at this point, however. The benefit of the doubt is long gone. I don't think abuse reporting helps either, as LL seems to wash their hands of this issue. The only thing that can be done is to not turn a blind eye to it when you see it. In the past, I haven't just asked for myself - I have imed other people whose stuff I have seen and let them know as well. That is about all you can do. This doesn't just happen with animations either - it happens with every type of object in SL. _____________________
Cristiano
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Merlota Turnbull
Registered User
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 8
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11-27-2005 15:03
Are you talking about the dances that come for FREE with the dance device? The dance device is for sale, and says right on it, that it comes with 20 FREE dances so that people do not have to go all over looking for them. so not exactly sure what you are talking about.
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,766
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11-27-2005 15:04
To try and get back on track... What can we DO to stop this kind of thing in the future. Content creators have been clamoring for a tighter permission system for awhile. What can we do to get that moved higher in Linden Lab's priorities? How many people in SL learned how to build or script or even do clothes because they had full mod, FREE stuff they could take apart and tinker with? I know I did. These kinds of problems keep popping up. I am much more interested in finding a long-term solution than in short-term finger pointing. It is seemingly impossible to get a Better Business Bureau started.. people keep trying. Suggestions? Oh.. and ignore the flamers.. it's fun to play with them, but doesn't get any progress on a solution Unfortunately, the permissions overhaul was scrapped or back burnered for other projects considered more important.... which were in turn scrapped or back burnered, if I am not mistaken. (Havoc 2 and HTML on a prim were among them, I think.) It is my opinion that the tools we have now for actual content creation are "good enough for now" - and I think that LL needs to concentrate for a bit on making the SL economy more viable - and that includes the rather important parallel non-economy, the freebies that grab attention and hold the interest of new players. To do this will requite a permissions system better suited to freebies (give away only) as well as extensions better suited to gift-giving, consumer level reselling, and (this is a real pet peeve of mine) industry-level reselling where a creator can get a certain percentage of the sale of thier item, and control who can actually resell it, all automatically. Wrower. I better stop, I'm about to rant. Suffice it to say: We've got to decide if this is important enough to us to demand above and beyond the myriad of tools we all ask for daily. _____________________
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Jade Jensen
Giftedly Outspoken
Join date: 6 May 2004
Posts: 1,049
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11-27-2005 15:06
*confused look* ok soooo...call me blonde but...aside from the obvious fact that this person is blatantly reselling other people's work without consent, we're told that this is basically OK because she's a good person who helps so many noobs.......and she's helping these noobs by...ermmmm...selling them things for the few L$ they're given...that they can otherwise get for free from reputable designers and businesses? hmmm...and yet the ones who donate their time and talent freely are the *retards*? *shrugs* This must be one of those *got some nice swamp land in FL to sell ya*...
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-27-2005 15:06
Are you talking about the dances that come for FREE with the dance device? The dance device is for sale, and says right on it, that it comes with 20 FREE dances so that people do not have to go all over looking for them. so not exactly sure what you are talking about. No, that is a separate issue - these are items being sold in vending machines as individual dances/poses. _____________________
Cristiano
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Doxx Divine
Insanity at its Best
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 140
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11-27-2005 15:07
Please show me where any of my animations are default animations from Poser, please. You won't find a single one of them. Next. Also, if I did choose to upload those and make them available for free, as some people have, Jenna has no right to then resell them. That is just lame. The lengths people are going to justify this behavior is sickening, honestly. Do you have zero ethics? Oh wait sorry not default poses, let me guess u pulled them of some file sharing service? Daz3d, or even better, Some BHV motion capture site. Oops sorry, our mistake. It all and all the same. Don't claim orginality when they anything but. |
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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11-27-2005 15:08
*confused look* ok soooo...call me blonde but...aside from the obvious fact that this person is blatantly reselling other people's work without consent, we're told that this is basically OK because she's a good person who helps so many noobs.......and she's helping these noobs by...ermmmm...selling them things for the few L$ they're given...that they can otherwise get for free from reputable designers and businesses? hmmm...and yet the ones who donate their time and talent freely are the *retards*? *shrugs* This must be one of those *got some nice swamp land in FL to sell ya*... Yep, somehow this bonds them to the club, get their dwell points and money, and then they defend it as altruism. Brilliant. _____________________
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Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 2,734
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11-27-2005 15:09
Those of you who are defending the person who is selling these items are truly pathetic.
Item one: Your arguments suck. No, really, THEY SUCK. "Don't hate the player ... hate the game" <---- WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN? Shithead. That's the lamest "excuse" in the world. It's not even an excuse. It's a way to keep yourself feeling good about doing things you know to be wrong. So cut it out, jerk. "Be as upset as you want over pixels, just make sure you take your pills in the morning so you dont have to deal with reality without your fuzzy little shield." <--- Don't you dare tell me that the time spent making things in Photoshop or building something is worthless. Ok, I was going to quote some other gems, but I got too frustrated. Bottom line is you guys suck and other folks have already pointed out in detail the flaws in your arguments. _____________________
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,766
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11-27-2005 15:10
Oh wait sorry not default poses, let me guess u pulled them of some file sharing service? Daz3d, or even better, Some BHV motion capture site. Oops sorry, our mistake. It all and all the same. Don't claim orginality when they anything but. _____________________
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Ginger Faust
teh kokabeel
Join date: 21 Nov 2005
Posts: 51
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11-27-2005 15:11
It does NOT matter that this is a game,people make it their business . There ARE rules that people must abide by.One is the COPYRIGHT law with is stated IN the TOS. A creator has the rights to their online content,they can choose to sell/give away items.
If a user takes a already FREE item and sells it as their own without permission from the creator that is breaking the law. If you create it, you own it. If you didn't create it, keep your hands off of it unless the author has given you specific, written permission. If you wish to use other people's materials, you need to get permission, pay royalties, or whatever else is necessary to obtain the right to use it. Without that permission, using the material is little more than theft. Game content is owned and maintained by the owners of the game. If the company so wishes to give their clients rights to the content that they create then the copyright law is in effect.Users who take free items and sell for profit are stealing. If you donot have permission from the creator to sell and give royalties to them or buy the item outright then you infringe the copyright law.It IS stated in the TOS that that LL gives creators rights to their items. It's callec common sense,those of you that obviously donot understand the laws need to rethink what you are saying.ANY game has rights to their material,to steal and sell the content is infringment. I'm sure the people that want to say that this is just a game need to understand and grasp the fact that this "game" is also a business where you not only can create and sell items,but gain REAL currency from said items being sold. |
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CaptnPower Codesmith
Second Life Resident
Join date: 9 Nov 2004
Posts: 58
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11-27-2005 15:11
well isnt this a nice bunch of bull S***
iv been hanging around the club and some of the ppl who posted here and never have i seen/heard anything that would prove some of the statement here now i trie dto filte rout the morons who just bitch cos there morons some of you might have actual claims but there geting beried in the s*** storm of ppl who have no claim and just rant iv heard and seen many time the person stated remove animations and other object from vendors and other palces because the original creator notified her you say said person is stealing iv seen more ppl steal from her then the oposite 5$ for a freebie box fuill of stuff isnt bad especialy when it gos into the newplayer money tree and about animations cept for the default poser 1s and the freebies u can get at many poser sites i have yet to see the acused sell animations actualy CREATED by other ppl whit out buyng the resell right first now i do belive that some of you think your doing good by posting here but come on a lot of stuff your complaning about is crap considering she buys rights to use and sell stuff and that a lot of ppl wingly donate stuff for her to sell or give out most of the stuff ur saing she elegedly "stole" came from ppl who gave her rights or she got free from a website (same as the original "creator" did) so dont go and assume something is stolen cos the creator and seller name are not the same now i know your gona blow shit at wat i just said but i was calm and didnt bitch well not to mutch so go ahead do your worst |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-27-2005 15:13
Oh wait sorry not default poses, let me guess u pulled them of some file sharing service? Daz3d, or even better, Some BHV motion capture site. Oops sorry, our mistake. It all and all the same. Don't claim orginality when they anything but. I also don't download things from file sharing sites and have spent thousands of dollars on motion capture data, as well as doing hand made animations and poses. You don't know anything about me, but are bending over backward to defend Jenna's bad behavior like some kind of sycophant. Purchasing motion capture data, which are licensed for use as long as the motion capture data is not resold and adapating it in Poser for SL is not anywhere close to uploading freebie animations from the web and then selling them to unsuspecting newbies. If they are so easy to upload, why is Jenna not doing so herself? _____________________
Cristiano
ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more. |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-27-2005 15:16
Yep, somehow this bonds them to the club, get their dwell points and money, and then they defend it as altruism. Brilliant. Also apparently turns them into an army of defenders, ready to defend their leader to the death no matter what. Their only weapon: ridiculous arguments. _____________________
Cristiano
ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more. |
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 15:17
well isnt this a nice bunch of bull S*** iv been hanging around the club and some of the ppl who posted here and never have i seen/heard anything that would prove some of the statement here now i trie dto filte rout the morons who just bitch cos there morons some of you might have actual claims but there geting beried in the s*** storm of ppl who have no claim and just rant iv heard and seen many time the person stated remove animations and other object from vendors and other palces because the original creator notified her you say said person is stealing iv seen more ppl steal from her then the oposite 5$ for a freebie box fuill of stuff isnt bad especialy when it gos into the newplayer money tree and about animations cept for the default poser 1s and the freebies u can get at many poser sites i have yet to see the acused sell animations actualy CREATED by other ppl whit out buyng the resell right first now i do belive that some of you think your doing good by posting here but come on a lot of stuff your complaning about is crap considering she buys rights to use and sell stuff and that a lot of ppl wingly donate stuff for her to sell or give out most of the stuff ur saing she elegedly "stole" came from ppl who gave her rights or she got free from a website (same as the original "creator" did) so dont go and assume something is stolen cos the creator and seller name are not the same now i know your gona blow shit at wat i just said but i was calm and didnt bitch well not to mutch so go ahead do your worst Reselling other people's creations is ok if and/or because: 1. You are nice to people. 2. Other people do it too. 3. Its just pixels so you don't have a right to be upset. 3b. The problem is with the permissions in SL, not the person that takes advantage of the glitches 4. I personally have never seen them do it, so that nullfies any statement to the contrary made by people who HAVE been ripped off. 5. Some wierd conglomeration of blind loyalty, lack of empathy, and KEEPIN' IT REAL OK, you hit #4, #5, #3, #1, #4, #3b, and #5 again, in that order. Nicely done! You only missed #2. _____________________
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