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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
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11-27-2005 13:53
She's not ripping anyone off .. get your facts straight before you type such garbage! Then why have people had to IM her and abuse report her to stop her from selling items she has aquired via permissions exploits? Since you are her legal counsel please explain. TIA! |
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Kyle Moseley
Registered User
Join date: 15 Jul 2004
Posts: 11
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11-27-2005 13:54
Selling other people's stuff without their consent is not ripping off people? Selling free content is not ripping off people? What world do you live in? If that is what she was doing .. then that would be a whole other issue. But she isn't so its not an option! |
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Merlota Turnbull
Registered User
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 8
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Just Dont Get It
11-27-2005 13:54
If you have PERSONALLY created something you feel a resident is selling illegally, than contact her and resolve it. Not something your friend or brother or sisters aunts cousins housekeeper created, but something you PERSONALLY created. Not go on a cruel witch hunt. Not necessary, extremely rude, unprofessional and heartless. I would rather have a friend like said resident, than a backstabbing heartless person like yourselves.
If it wasn't for this particular resident I would have nothing, know nothing and be nothing in this game. I owe my SL happiness to her and will defend her til the end. Get yer facts straight, show me proof, if not, shut yer trap, cuz no one wants to hear it! |
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 13:54
Like i said in the above said reply .. get your facts straight! Take a look around and talk to the people who have had their stuff sold by said person. Ask them if she got the OK to do it. Ask the Lindens if it's ok for people to sell Linden freebies. Then get back to me when you have your facts straight. _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Katja Marlowe
Registered User
Join date: 15 Apr 2005
Posts: 421
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11-27-2005 13:55
This still does not excuse selling other people's stuff without their consent. But violating the TOS with blatant hints is excusable? |
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Saul Lament
Mean & Evil
Join date: 24 May 2004
Posts: 163
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11-27-2005 13:55
Soooooooooo....this person who shall remain nameless is a complete Saint...
Except that they resell freebie items for their own profit. Yeah, except for that. |
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Cory Edo
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Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 13:56
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 13:56
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Again, I have not investigaged every vendor in the club that shall not be named, so cannot speak on whether or not anyone is being ripped off. What I _can_ speak on is the blatant hypocrisy of the thread's starter, asking one or two people not to name the place and then letting _blatant_ hints, that leave nothing to the imagination alone. The thread did start out with a good request not to name the place. However, if you're going to ask one or two people to not name the place, THEN post in response to something else and let something like above slip, well to me, says that it was hoped that people would come along and skirt the TOS like this. It is removed. Have a nice day. _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Kyle Moseley
Registered User
Join date: 15 Jul 2004
Posts: 11
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11-27-2005 13:57
Take a look around and talk to the people who have had their stuff sold by said person. Ask them if she got the OK to do it. Ask the Lindens if it's ok for people to sell Linden freebies. Then get back to me when you have your facts straight. Your the one that needs to get your facts straight! Do you honestly think that if she was doing all this SAID crap that she would be doing her LIVE HELP for the Lindens? Please ... go bitch about the lag or the rezzing problems ... not about abunch so crap that isnt true. |
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
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11-27-2005 13:58
If you have PERSONALLY created something you feel Jenna is selling illegally, than contact her and resolve it. Not something your friend or brother or sisters aunts cousins housekeeper created, but something you PERSONALLY created. Not go on a cruel witch hunt. Not necessary, extremely rude, unprofessional and heartless. I would rather have a friend like Jenna, than a backstabbing heartless person like yourselves. If it wasn't for Jenna I would have nothing, know nothing and be nothing in this game. I owe my SL happiness to her and will defend her til the end. Get yer facts straight, show me proof, if not, shut yer trap, cuz no one wants to hear it! I am sure Cristiano can post how she has sold his animations without permission repeatedly. Your testimonial sounds just like one of the crackhead hookers from 'Hookers on the Point' talking about her pimp. Be proud. |
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 13:58
But violating the TOS with blatant hints is excusable? I never said it was and I took it out. _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
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11-27-2005 13:59
Your the one that needs to get your facts straight! Do you honestly think that if she was doing all this SAID crap that she would be doing her LIVE HELP for the Lindens? Please ... go bitch about the lag or the rezzing problems ... not about abunch so crap that isnt true. I am sure the Lindens would use anyone they could for free labor. Thieves and hookers alike. Being on Live Help is no stamp of approval. |
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Katja Marlowe
Registered User
Join date: 15 Apr 2005
Posts: 421
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11-27-2005 13:59
Take a look around and talk to the people who have had their stuff sold by said person. Ask them if she got the OK to do it. Ask the Lindens if it's ok for people to sell Linden freebies. Then get back to me when you have your facts straight. Also, question: Are we sure that it is the person that shall not be named, but is um hinted at strongly in this thread's own stuff? Or is it people she has rented vendor space to? Because just because it's in the club that shall not be named, doesn't mean that it's hers or that she's directly responsible. Those of you that are mall owners and landlords, do you check all of your vendors to make sure that nothing like this is happening? Even if you rent out hundreds of them? Just a question. |
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 14:00
Your the one that needs to get your facts straight! Do you honestly think that if she was doing all this SAID crap that she would be doing her LIVE HELP for the Lindens? Please ... go bitch about the lag or the rezzing problems ... not about abunch so crap that isnt true. Are you even reading any of the other people's posts? Some of these people HAVE had their content SOLD by her WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Cory Edo
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Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 14:00
Your the one that needs to get your facts straight! Do you honestly think that if she was doing all this SAID crap that she would be doing her LIVE HELP for the Lindens? Please ... go bitch about the lag or the rezzing problems ... not about abunch so crap that isnt true. Actually, yes. Its happened before. _____________________
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
Posts: 821
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11-27-2005 14:00
You ppl want to talk unethical and complain bout thAT and that person, well heres some facts not listed by you ppl, Said person, HAS HELPED MORE NEWBIES THEN PROBABLY MOST OF YOU. she has always been there to help in more ways then most ppl, she gives away a ton of freebies, a ton of money. She doesnt rip ppl off. You claim default poser animations are for sale. ANYONE can make a pose in poser, upload it, its just like the fact THAT all those little dance's and dance balls you ppl worship out there ARE FREE BHV files on the net that people pick up, claim their own. but I don't see you ppl jumping on that band wagon, all those little salsa dances out there are FREELY available off the next, 90% of the dances in SL are free BVH files. People get them, clean them up and upload and put them in dance balls, sell them to you for $600 a pop. Why do you think there are so many of those diff dance and salsa sets out there, because hello, they profit off free stuff off the net. So come on, think about it, before u jump on the band wagon of burn the club owner, look what is happening in ur own back yard. Why not look at all the stuff your charged a fortune for. Why not look closely at alot of the clothes u wear from a very popular store, and see how even alot of there stuff is fake, you've got ppl taking clothing pictures fitting them to the templates and making thousands of L's daily from it. So dont jump on someone who spends a fortune helping others out, providing a safe place for old and newbies alike to hang, have some comman sense. People in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks Yeah if only we all had more Comman sense then Common sense this world would be a better place. Umm my content is for free full mod to the community for people to use in their objects, if she was distributing it free or even for 1$ I would have no problem with it as long as the permissions remained open for the next user, the fact is she is changing the permissions to no copy and in some cases no mod and selling it for a larger sum of money. that's a real help to people there let me tell you. also 100% of ALL animations in SL are BVH files, if you are going to take authority on a topic please research first. I believe what you mean is motion capture files. Well many of those are legally stated not for resale in their documentation distributed with them on the internet. Basically your argument is She should be able to sell them because she can. So because someone can set fire to your house they should get away with it because they could. nice. Please DD. post more in this thread, you are doing great things to back our issues on this topic. _____________________
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Doxx Divine
Insanity at its Best
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 140
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11-27-2005 14:01
But violating the TOS with blatant hints is excusable? You would think not, but has that stopped them yet? |
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Xavier Pavlova
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 7
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11-27-2005 14:01
Not only don't you make any sense, you have a beam in thine eye. Remove it. I'm sorry Cory, English must not be your primary language. Please, let me know which of the world's lexicons you are most familiar with and I will run my post through an internet translator after dumbing it down to a second grade reading level for you. |
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Saul Lament
Mean & Evil
Join date: 24 May 2004
Posts: 163
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11-27-2005 14:02
Get yer facts straight, show me proof, if not, shut yer trap, cuz no one wants to hear it! Your completely right. I did not think it was fair to judge this person who shall remain nameless without looking into it. So I just now went to the Edge. There is RIGHT NOW a black rose made by Logan for sale on the blue table holding some freebie bags for $5L. Now I remember getting this same item as a freebie in the past. So I IM'ed Logan and asked. So now I know FOR A FACT that this person is reselling items not created by him/her and without permission by the creator. Good thing I checked it out for myself, eh? |
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
Posts: 821
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11-27-2005 14:03
If that is what she was doing .. then that would be a whole other issue. But she isn't so its not an option! She is, I was never contacted for her permission to sell my stuff, if she had I would have said you could redistribute it for free but keep the permissions on it open. she has done none of the above. I have contacted her to request the removal of said items. _____________________
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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11-27-2005 14:03
I'm sorry Cory, English must not be your primary language. Please, let me know which of the world's lexicons you are most familiar with and I will run my post through an internet translator after dumbing it down to a second grade reading level for you. I'm overjoyed to see you can't defend your position.  _____________________
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-27-2005 14:03
Also, question: Are we sure that it is the person that shall not be named, but is um hinted at strongly in this thread's own stuff? Or is it people she has rented vendor space to? Because just because it's in the club that shall not be named, doesn't mean that it's hers or that she's directly responsible. Those of you that are mall owners and landlords, do you check all of your vendors to make sure that nothing like this is happening? Even if you rent out hundreds of them? Just a question. When you sell things from a vendor, the vendor has YOUR name on it. So if you rent space from someone in their mall, your vendor will still have YOUR name on it - same with anything you sell. If you make a box to sell, that box is going to have your name on it in the creator and owner spots. When the box sells, the owner is no longer you (if you are not selling copies) but the creator is still you. Hopefully someone can explain this better that I.  _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Violet Bobbysocks
Registered User
Join date: 6 Jul 2005
Posts: 7
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Kindergarten
11-27-2005 14:04
For everyone attacking and belittle the people trying to stand up for said person and club. When you have to resort to childish name calling, you really have nothing to say. You have no support for your arguments, no facts. So "you're a dootie head" "you smell funny". Or my new personal favorite said to a close friend of mine. "You're a crack head hooker.....reporting to your pimp" Nice, this is a forum you people bash our close friend and a good woman and when we shoot down your lies and mistells ...all you can do ..."You're a dootie head"! ...Convincing argument.. -_-
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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11-27-2005 14:04
I'm going to ask again that this not turn into a flame fest.
Unless the vendors have been removed since this started, anyone can go down and check out that there are free animations for sale. You can contact the creator and check if they wanted a third-party to make money on things they had distributed for free. If the vendors have been removed, then I hope that they will stay gone. That's all that we're asking for - stop selling freebies. On a different note... what really needs to come out of this discussion is for content creators and other interested parties lobby the Lindens for a solution other than No Transfer. You could have a Always Free box, or a Resale Allowed box Something which protects the new player from being scammed. I personally favor a Resale Allowed box which also has a field for max selling price. What this person is doing is technically legal, in that the Lindens have not prevented it, but it's wrong ethically and hurts the whole community. _____________________
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Doxx Divine
Insanity at its Best
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 140
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11-27-2005 14:04
Yeah if only we all had more Comman sense then Common sense this world would be a better place. Umm my content is for free full mod to the community for people to use in their objects, if she was distributing it free or even for 1$ I would have no problem with it as long as the permissions remained open for the next user, the fact is she is changing the permissions to no copy and in some cases no mod and selling it for a larger sum of money. that's a real help to people there let me tell you. also 100% of ALL animations in SL are BVH files, if you are going to take authority on a topic please research first. I believe what you mean is motion capture files. Well many of those are legally stated not for resale in their documentation distributed with them on the internet. Basically your argument is She should be able to sell them because she can. So because someone can set fire to your house they should get away with it because they could. nice. Please DD. post more in this thread, you are doing great things to back our issues on this topic. I know all animations are BVH files in sl. but 90% of the animations u find in sl are ripped off from the web, deal with it. But then again you must be one of the oh its put in pink and blue balls, its special, lets pay 600L for a unorginal dance thats slapped together from free BVH files. Come on. give me something better to play with, your lack of intellegence is beneath me. |
