Club Preys on Noobs & Proposed Solution

First off a donation is is just that.If you were to donate canned food to the red cross would it be alright for them to go and sell it back to people? I highly doubt anyone would "donate" to the red cross if they were to do that.

Even IF they were donated it is as a gift,it is not a product to be sold. If she did gain these items as a gift then they should be freely given out to new users,not have her make a profit off if it.

Nah, he hit on # 2 also:

Listen - you've obviously not read all of this thread. The people who are complaining are the very ones who made the content. That's an important point. That means they know darn well if she has the right to resell or not. And she does not.

This is not the first time she's been caught, it will probably not be the last.

Had she not done this repeatedly, I would say that in her defense people often receive freebie packs that include a mixture of legitimately free stuff and stuff released by exploit with full permissions. She probably did receive a lot of this stuff through a convoluted chain of "donations". Of course, none of that explains where she gets off charging for it.

Forum hat-trick. Nice.

Why does this happen so many times then?



So get L$5 from a n00b and give them L$1 back makes stealing ok?



There have been a number of people in this thread who said they didn't wingly give her rights to sell? Are they lying?



Again, when they creaters are in this very thread saying they did not give permission, this statement is nonsense.



Its Mulch, not mutch

<Foolish Frost reads the entire train-wreck with mild interest>

<Pulls out popcorn and soda>

<Watches for a Linden to Swoop in and carry off a whoooooool lotta people to the banhammer land>

"It's like TV, but more entertaining!"

OMG! REPORTED!





(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

reselling ppls creation is ok if
1-u both rights to it
2-it was given to you freely to do so
3-its free to download from the web and is given free to use

all 3 of witch the acused has done

i have seen instance were things was sold whit out permision becuase it was donated by a tird party but that was removed as soon as informed

and btw that hapens a lot u know ppl want to make money and sell the acused free stuff
or stuff they got from tohers

the problem is this person's buisnes is big and has a lot of stuff so were the small buisness wouldnt have many oportunity to be sold stolen goods this persons buisness being the size it is has a lot more oportunity for that hapening

and for the same item to be donated twice under diferent name

u cant expect any1 to remember all of the stuff that was donated all the time can u

Good catch! I would have caught it but English isn't my native tongue.

Exactly, free items/donations could be given out by the creator . But if someone where to sell said free items that were given to them it is breaking the law. Point is even if they are free items unless she had writen consent to sell them for profit or give royalties she has no right to do so.

Hi, I just thought I'd clean up your post a bit.

I think we'e stuck with the stuff that is already loose in the world. Sort of like all the stuff that got released when the "creator nobody" bug happened. Water under the bridge. We've already found out that you can't make people be ethical, all you can do is shame them.

I'd like to see a solution for going forward. If SL is going to develop it's economy, then control over creations is going to be essential. I favor the Resell Allowed box with a set resell limit option because I think a lot of jobs could be created for re-sellers.

Imagine, I'm a content creator who knows alot about graphic, but little about advertising. I make this great product, but I don't know how to sell it. A Resale Allowed box with $L limit would let me work with someone else to re-sell my stuff. I could have a lot more time to create and they could have a job. That would pump up the economy. I've chatted with other creators who wish they could hand off the finished product (wiht protections) to someone else to market.

Also, I would still release free stuff if I could do it in such a way that unscrupulous people didn't take advantage of it. I believe in the creative commons. I know I'm not alone in this.

How do we find out how much support there is for moving the permissions change up the hotlist.. and then how do we convince LL to do it?

And what about a Better Business Bureau? People have tried to start one (the defunct RATE). That would at least give us a place for customer/seller disputes to be resolved and for unethical business people to be identified.

Yes but I do so love when you speak your crazy Icelandic tongue to me. I was looking for just the word to sum this all up, and I found it:

þermimök

Since Icelandic is your native tongue, clearly you know what that word means.

As with ANY business there are it is the owners resonsibility to care for the items they sell.If said items are stolen and the creator asks them to remove them they SHOULD. And if she after the creator asked for removal knowingly continues to sell those items it IS infringement.

If an item is free it DOES NOT MEAN the new owners have the right to selling the item. Items freely given out still are protected under the copyright law. And unless given writen permission by the creator she CANNOT sell the items in question.

This is the second thief in Live Help that I know of. Hello.... judgement.. where are you?

Yes. It means "hot Latin man makes his own shit, sucka". Its a colloquialism.

yes whit a big buisness a lot of ppl think they can get away by selling her free stuff
sometimes ppl get hold of ful lperm items and decide to sell rights to other so they them self cant be held acountable






no get 5L from evryone anddonate 10L to noobs makes a freebe table work right





well then tell them to im her and she will remove there stuff
things hapens u know not evryone is honest and say that the stuf there giving her is stolen

and mabe not in this case but in other instance it was free stuff uoloaded fromt he net that some persone claimed ot ahve created




again tell them to im said person

dont start ranting if u never did anything to warn her your stuff was stolen





im dislexic i have problem typing corectly i am sorry of this but it is not something i can control

This is not good.

You mean I can no longer get one of those free animal shaped balloons
and sell them to some other kid who wants them, just because I got
mine for free?

I guess I can't collect cool rocks off a hillside and sell those either,
because they were free, eh?

Sounds like if the creator wants to stop that, they DO have the power
with "no trans".

Actually it means "to sodomize", but I like your slang version better.

i just want to point out merely publishing something copyrights it

this includes inside SL

DMCA her out of SL

Again, why does the burden fall on the creator, and not the person selling them with no permission to? Especially with free items (and items stolen from an exploit).

notei said "2-it was given to you freely to do so"
as in to resel/give out

You hit #3b. Keep trying, collect them all!

Donot place the blame on the creators for her illegal actions.It is as I have said 90328490823 times copyright infringement!