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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:28
From: Lisse Livingston
So are they or aren't they selling freebies?! :confused:




Lisse, basically the originator of this post is an ignorant fool who is rather jealous.
Ginger Faust
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11-27-2005 16:28
From: Ashling Babka
If I buy a walkman in Walmart and sell it at my yardsale that is not illegal
nor copyright infringement.

If I buy a Rolling Stones CD from a store and sell it at my yardsale
that is not illegal nor copyright infringement either.

If a friend gives me either of the above items and I sell them in my yard
sale there is nothing wrong with that.

If I find those items on the side of the road, nothing is wrong with selling
them either.

How is this different? If I aquire an item in SL (free or paid for), I should
be able able to sell it or give it away (as long as the item is "trans" -- which
is EXACTLY the mechanism creators already have to stop this from happening
if they do not want the new owner to have those freedoms)


In RL we donot have creator based items.They are sold from companies.This is the reason why we have warrenties,patents and other things.If you were to upload and sell the material off of the CD you are breaking the law. You buy the item and can resell said item at a lower price.If you are reselling items at a higher rate than what was bought and/or selling mass ammounts of "used" items that is breaking the law.When having a yard sale each city sets rules and limitations for their people.To sell items in a yard sale is being a transient merchant. Under the laws if an officer were to come and say you cannot sell said items you under the law have to remove items and failure to do so with cause you to get fined.


Now with internet content it is much harder to police and maintain copyright content. But,if a creator DOES see their free or even trans items being sold at or higher than the price they were sold that is infringment of copyright laws. You must abide by the TOS ,failure to do so can cause problems. Creators CAN take legal action against said violators due to the nature of this game.

In all actuality this "game" holds real currency and real businesses. People do come here to create and sell their items for real currency. If real currency was not part of this game then copyright laws with obviously not be in place. The copyright law in this game is to protect those people who do sell their items. And to go against it is breaking the law.
Schwanson Schlegel
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11-27-2005 16:29
From: Vivienne Harrington
My daddy is bigger than your daddy.

:P


I am trying very hard not to interject with a funny picture. If you make a post like this again, I don't think I will be able to resist the urge.
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Justice Dulce
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Hmmmmm
11-27-2005 16:29
From: Jen Moonlight
UGh this is STILL going on?!?! Jeez.... If it doesnt directly involve u... move on.


Taking your own advice, this involve's you how?
This is an open forum , for the sole purpose of discussing thing's no matter how negative or positive they are.
If anyone feel's as tho the thread is rediculous, why continue reading it and reply?
Because you have a choice to do so just like everyone else.
Lisse Livingston
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11-27-2005 16:29
From: DogSpot Boxer
What's violotion?

Is it some sort of lotion that violates you when you put it on?


I think it's that lotion that the guy used in 'Silence of the Lambs'. :D
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11-27-2005 16:29
From: Jade Jensen
lmao...isn't it FUN how people attempt to lash out with unrealistic kindergarten responses when they know they're wrong & have lost? they have nothing intelligent to say, so it's their way of *taking their toys and going home* Thanks for the gratification :)


Isn't that what you've been doing this entire thread to jade?
Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:29
From: Schwanson Schlegel
I am trying very hard not to interject with a funny picture. If you make a post like this again, I don't think I will be able to resist the urge.



... rofl
Foolish Frost
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11-27-2005 16:30
From: Schwanson Schlegel
I am trying very hard not to interject with a funny picture. If you make a post like this again, I don't think I will be able to resist the urge.


Go for it. This fire needs more gas!
Vivienne Harrington
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11-27-2005 16:30
From: Schwanson Schlegel
I am trying very hard not to interject with a funny picture. If you make a post like this again, I don't think I will be able to resist the urge.


hehe exactly my reasoning in that comment. I think the main points have been stated very clearly, it all comes down to the my daddy is bigger reasoning at this point :)
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11-27-2005 16:30
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
Lisse, basically the originator of this post is an ignorant fool who is rather jealous.



#5 KEEPIN IT REAL FOR MY HOMIEZ
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:31
From: Cory Edo
#5 KEEPIN IT REAL FOR MY HOMIEZ




You ma'am, are an idiot.



Apparently you can count to 5.
Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 16:34
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
You sir, are an idiot.



That's still #5. Pick a new one, broaden your horizons.
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Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:34
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Emma Thorn
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11-27-2005 16:34
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
Lisse, basically the originator of this post is an ignorant fool who is rather jealous.


No I think it's just that the originator of this post is someone who doesn't like to see people making money off of the work of others by exploiting those that don't know any better :D If the person selling the items in question really was selfless and concerned about helping new players, then this wouldn't be an issue because she wouldn't be selling items to them that she could just give away.

By the way, do you even know what the word ignorant means?

ig·no·rant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

It seems to me that Surreal knows exactly what's going on. Someone decided to take items she intended to be free and charge L$100 for them....sounds pretty straightforward.
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Foolish Frost
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11-27-2005 16:35
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
You ma'am, are an idiot.



I lost track, was that the first direct attack, or did I miss one?
Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:35
CONGRATULATIONS YOU DISCOVERED THE DICTIONARY


Yes, they are ignorant. You are just blind.

From: Emma Thorn
No I think it's just that the originator of this post is someone who doesn't like to see people making money off of the work of others by exploiting those that don't know any better :D If the person selling the items in question really was selfless and concerned about helping new players, then this wouldn't be an issue because she wouldn't be selling items to them that she could just give away.

By the way, do you even know what the word ignorant means?

ig·no·rant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

It seems to me that Surreal knows exactly what's going on. Someone decided to take items she intended to be free and charge L$100 for them....sounds pretty straightforward.
Ashling Babka
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11-27-2005 16:36
From: Emma Thorn
Go ahead, go out and buy some CDs and then set up a shop in front of your house selling copies of them all day long. And see how long it takes for the cops to be called.


Several people missed the point.

I'm selling the ORIGINALS at my yard sale.
(not making illegal copies - yes... copies ARE illegal)

read my follow-up post which gives 3 reasons
some content creators are upset with other people
selling their "meant to be free" items.

(which they DID set to be copy and trans by choice)
Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:37
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Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:37
From: Foolish Frost
I lost track, was that the first direct attack, or did I miss one?

HEY TMY!
Emma Thorn
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11-27-2005 16:38
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
CONGRATULATIONS YOU DISCOVERED THE DICTIONARY


Yes, they are ignorant. You are just blind.


Wow. I can read and type pretty well for a blind person.
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Tony Tigereye
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11-27-2005 16:38
From: Jen Moonlight
UGh this is STILL going on?!?! Jeez.... If it doesnt directly involve u... move on. If it DOES directly involve you... then you know who to speak with. Otherwise this forum is gonna go all night, and nothing is going to be different from the first postings. Just Stop already! No reason to tear others apart because you want ur 15 min in SL fame! It's not working ... move it on down the line!


And Emma... nothing is wrong with selling things at yard sales. That was a silly ass thing to say! Have you never bought anything from a yard sale... consignment shop?? You think that Donna Karen is gonna come to hunt yer ass down for selling a Sweater of hers for 10 bucks??!?!?!?! PLEASE!!!!


I just wanted to reply and say that this does not directly involve me at all, but since reading this post, I felt the need to chime in.

It's funny how people who do this can't just admit that they're wrong and become good SL citezens. Everyone knows it's wrong, including those who are going way out of their way to justify what they have done. If you're common street trash, why don't YOU admit it and let us all move on?
Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:39
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Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:40
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Jen Moonlight
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Actually...
11-27-2005 16:40
From: Emma Thorn
Wow. I can read and type pretty well for a blind person.


I know several Blind people that can type better than people with site :) :) So ..... no point there!
Foolish Frost
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11-27-2005 16:40
From: Costella Eisenberg
HEY TMY!


Sorry? TMY?
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