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Costella Eisenberg
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Join date: 22 Dec 2004
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11-27-2005 16:40
Prim Wings: Created by Obunnywan Manimal based on the concept of Jenna Fairplay given as a gift to Jenna Fairplay. Jenna Fairplay is allowed 100% resale rights of these wings.
Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 16:41
From: Foolish Frost
I lost track, was that the first direct attack, or did I miss one?


When that's all they have to argue with, why deny them their substandard ammo?
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Foolish Frost
Grand Technomancer
Join date: 7 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,433
11-27-2005 16:43
From: Cory Edo
When that's all they have to argue with, why deny them their substandard ammo?


Oh, I'm not taking sides, just trying to keep score...

(I'd say I'm sorry for being so perverse about this tonight, but bordom and myself make for an evil mix.)
Doxx Divine
Insanity at its Best
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 140
11-27-2005 16:43
From: Emma Thorn
Wow. I can read and type pretty well for a blind person.


Now the question of the day, can you think like an adult?
Emma Thorn
Voice of Treason
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 139
11-27-2005 16:43
From: Costella Eisenberg
Prim Wings: Created by Obunnywan Manimal based on the concept of Jenna Fairplay given as a gift to Jenna Fairplay. Jenna Fairplay is allowed 100% resale rights of these wings.


Costella, no one said anything about prim wings, or ponytails...or anything like that. Simply because she has permission to resell SOME items doesn't mean she has permission to resell ALL items. As much as you and others might wish that to be true. It's still dishonest :D
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Cory Edo
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Join date: 26 Mar 2005
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11-27-2005 16:44
From: Foolish Frost
Oh, I'm not taking sides, just trying to keep score...

(I'd say I'm sorry for being so perverse about this tonight, but bordom and myself make for an evil mix.)



That's why I made my handy list!
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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Join date: 1 Jul 2005
Posts: 34
11-27-2005 16:44
From: Foolish Frost
I lost track, was that the first direct attack, or did I miss one?




Do me a favor, read YOUR first name.
Sansarya Caligari
BLEH!
Join date: 25 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,206
11-27-2005 16:45
Wow the longer this thread goes on, the more people are showing up the The Edge, giving dwell ;)

Been here about half an hour now, seen crowd grow from about 15 to 40+...we're all wearing white (for innocence?), haha.

Seriously, I do see several dances for sale that I've received in freebie packs before. Example: the GetDown animation is for sale for $100L. I feel bad for new residents having to pay for it. :(
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:46
From: Sansarya Caligari
Wow the longer this thread goes on, the more people are showing up the The Edge, giving dwell ;)

Been here about half an hour now, seen crowd grow from about 15 to 40+...we're all wearing white (for innocence?), haha.

Seriously, I do see several dances for sale that I've received in freebie packs before. Example: the GetDown animation is for sale for $100L. I feel bad for new residents having to pay for it. :(



Buy one, and look at the creator.
Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 16:46
From: Sansarya Caligari


Seriously, I do see several dances for sale that I've received in freebie packs before. Example: the GetDown animation is for sale for $100L. I feel bad for new residents having to pay for it. :(


I thought she was a noob helper? omg so confused.
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Costella Eisenberg
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11-27-2005 16:46
From: Emma Thorn
Costella, no one said anything about prim wings, or ponytails...or anything like that. Simply because she has permission to resell SOME items doesn't mean she has permission to resell ALL items. As much as you and others might wish that to be true. It's still dishonest :D

First of all someone said jenna stole items from obunny i was makeing clear he gave her rights..so YOU MA'AM ARE AN IDIOT.
Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:47
From: Cory Edo
I thought she was a noob helper? omg so confused.



Nice to see you actually say something and not count, you are progressing!
Lo Jacobs
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Join date: 28 May 2004
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11-27-2005 16:47
From: Doxx Divine
Now the question of the day, can you think like an adult?


I like that both your and your partner's profiles say that you're assholes.

At least you're honest with yourself.
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Jen Moonlight
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Join date: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 18
Hmmm....
11-27-2005 16:47
Guess what people.... This post, If not anything, this is a boom for business!! Tons of people coming and going! GO GO GO! Keep it up! All the fussing is doing good!
Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 16:48
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
Nice to see you actually say something and not count, you are progressing!




#5
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Nolan Nash
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Join date: 15 May 2003
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11-27-2005 16:48
From: Ashling Babka
That has no bearing in this matter...
Since the "freebie" items in question are mass-copy allowed.

If they had perms of "no copy" ... then a vending machine
could not replicate them, and again... no offense since
"additional copies" are not being made.

If the items DO have copy and trans turned on, then
they are truely out in the wild.

I can mass copy my new Beck CD and give it out for free, or sell it. I would still be breaking the law. Being able to "do" something, in this case copy, does not trump IP law. Being that the creators have expressed that they do not wish these items to be sold, IP rights nullify any claim that it is ok just because it's possible to do so. Had the creators not said a word (or not cared) after finding out, that would be a different story. Clearly this is not the case, and therefore, your argument is flawed. It doesn't say in the edit window, "If you click allow transfer, you give up all your IP rights to this content". When IP rights were granted us in SL, LL never directly linked it to those permissions boxes, and how they were or weren't set.

IP rights are a REAL WORLD THING. Check boxes in a "game", as so many of you want to call it, do not change the fact that the artist has 100% control LEGALLY over how their IP can be used. Period.
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Doxx Divine
Insanity at its Best
Join date: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 140
11-27-2005 16:49
From: Sansarya Caligari
Wow the longer this thread goes on, the more people are showing up the The Edge, giving dwell ;)

Been here about half an hour now, seen crowd grow from about 15 to 40+...we're all wearing white (for innocence?), haha.

Seriously, I do see several dances for sale that I've received in freebie packs before. Example: the GetDown animation is for sale for $100L. I feel bad for new residents having to pay for it. :(



Hey Sansarya, Thanks for helping dwell. Its not needed so move along lil doggy. Rather you complaining bout it, might be a better help to either enjoy yourself or move along
Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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Join date: 1 Jul 2005
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11-27-2005 16:50
From: Cory Edo

#5




wow you reverted.

If i say any words that confuse you... Emma Thorn seems to be an expert on the dictionary so ask her.
Cory Edo
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11-27-2005 16:51
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
wow you reverted.

If i say any words that confuse you... Emma Thorn seems to be an expert on the dictionary so ask her.



You are awesome.
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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11-27-2005 16:51
From: Cory Edo
You are awesome.



aren't i? <3
Surreal Farber
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Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
11-27-2005 16:52
I wonder what the longest thread is.... how many pages.

I was chatting to another content creator about the old RATE. I forget what the acronym stood for, but it was an attempt at coming up with an ethical business guideline and enforcing it the same way the Better Business Bureau does.

As he pointed out, organizing and running one would be a thankless job. We have alot of creative minds in Sl though. How could we effectively create something like this. It would be a place people could get disputes resolved and where you could register.

How does the BBB survive. Anyone know? And what kind of group would we trust to make fair decisions. Would people submit to arbitration?

Would you be more likely to buy from a vendor that had a BBB type sign on it?
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Emma Thorn
Voice of Treason
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 139
11-27-2005 16:52
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
wow you reverted.

If i say any words that confuse you... Emma Thorn seems to be an expert on the dictionary so ask her.


That's right Cory, I have a doctorate in dictionaryology.
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Tmyclyk Dmytryk
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Join date: 1 Jul 2005
Posts: 34
11-27-2005 16:53
From: Surreal Farber
I wonder what the longest thread is.... how many pages.

I was chatting to another content creator about the old RATE. I forget what the acronym stood for, but it was an attempt at coming up with an ethical business guideline and enforcing it the same way the Better Business Bureau does.

As he pointed out, organizing and running one would be a thankless job. We have alot of creative minds in Sl though. How could we effectively create something like this. It would be a place people could get disputes resolved and where you could register.

How does the BBB survive. Anyone know? And what kind of group would we trust to make fair decisions. Would people submit to arbitration?

Would you be more likely to buy from a vendor that had a BBB type sign on it?



BBB probably survives off government funding and confiscations from bad businesses.
Foolish Frost
Grand Technomancer
Join date: 7 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,433
11-27-2005 16:53
From: Tmyclyk Dmytryk
Do me a favor, read YOUR first name.


Foolish.

See, me can do good follow instructions!

And perhaps you think that makes me 'Foolish'?

Perhaps. But better to be thought a Fool than to open your mouth and prove it. Your arguments have been one of your patrons worst enemies since this began.

And don't bother trying to offend me. You don't have the skills of verbal articulation needed to do so.


<gets out hot dogs and mustard and watches some more...>
Ginger Faust
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Join date: 21 Nov 2005
Posts: 51
11-27-2005 16:54
From: Nolan Nash
I can mass copy my new Beck CD and give it out for free, or sell it. I would still be breaking the law. Being able to "do" something, in this case copy, does not trump IP law. Being that the creators have expressed that they do not wish these items to be sold, IP rights nullify any claim that it is ok just because it's possible to do so. Had the creators not said a word (or not cared) after finding out, that would be a different story. Clearly this is not the case, and therefore, your argument is flawed. It doesn't say in the edit window, "If you click allow transfer, you give up all your IP rights to this content". When IP rights were granted us in SL, LL never directly linked it to those permissions boxes, and how they were or weren't set.

IP rights are a REAL WORLD THING. Check boxes in a "game", as so many of you want to call it, do not change the fact that the artist has 100% control LEGALLY over how their IP can be used. Period.



EXACTLY what I was trying to get at and have said 9282374 times !
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