Club Preys on Noobs & Proposed Solution

as for the animations yes they were all removed and she said sorry to christian about this long ago if he finds it in a vendor forsale she removes it and did apologies and you know this your just trying to bring up an old arguement that was resolved long ago

as for the other animations again when she was informed they were removed end of story but you continue you go on cause you just like to hear yourself. many of you have nothing to do with this and want to post to brinng up a point that was resolved on page 2.

jade jensen thanks for stating the same shit that was on the last 13 pages why dont you go back to bumping peoples creations down on new products page to keep your creations on top as your known for doing.

chirstian go back to selling the dances that are out there for free you not even putting them out as freebies your selling them for 200-300 each and they weere removed months ago

the rest of you who are also posting cause you want to look special need to move on

If I buy a walkman in Walmart and sell it at my yardsale that is not illegal
nor copyright infringement.

If I buy a Rolling Stones CD from a store and sell it at my yardsale
that is not illegal nor copyright infringement either.

If a friend gives me either of the above items and I sell them in my yard
sale there is nothing wrong with that.

If I find those items on the side of the road, nothing is wrong with selling
them either.

How is this different? If I aquire an item in SL (free or paid for), I should
be able able to sell it or give it away (as long as the item is "trans" -- which
is EXACTLY the mechanism creators already have to stop this from happening
if they do not want the new owner to have those freedoms)

If I buy a walkman in Walmart and sell it at my yardsale that is not illegal
nor copyright infringement.

If I buy a Rolling Stones CD from a store and sell it at my yardsale
that is not illegal nor copyright infringement either.

If a friend gives me either of the above items and I sell them in my yard
sale there is nothing wrong with that.

If I find those items on the side of the road, nothing is wrong with selling
them either.

How is this different? If I aquire an item in SL (free or paid for), I should
be able able to sell it or give it away (as long as the item is "trans" -- which
is EXACTLY the mechanism creators already have to stop this from happening
if they do not want the new owner to have those freedoms)

If I have to make that item no transfer to keep other people from selling it, then it can't be freely passed around. It makes it harder for some cool object to make the rounds thus meaning that fewer people will see it.

The idea behind most of the free, full perm items where that they would get passed around alot, copied alot and used in the ways that I mentioned. What happens sometimes is that unethical people sell them. Then people stop making them.

You were hardly pleasant when I asked you to remove the items you were giving away. You told me I should be happy for the publicity. Well there you go, you and Jenna should be happy for the publicity that this will bring upon you. If you have the same source material and purchased it legitimately, then more power to you - I did not want anything with my name associated with your product, or with Jenna. Thanks for complying.

I have to agree with you. Very well stated. As creators and sellers in this game, we are given options with permissions. Its as simple as a click on copy, modify, or resell. I'll be sure to look into that with my created items. I have been reading everyone's posts. Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't. Which is fine, I am entitled to my own opinion, like everyone else. However, I do know that if I choose to either sell an item, or give one away to someone albeit a noob or not, I will be sure to check the permissions if it is something I do not want resold down the line. I would suggest that all creators do the same. Perhaps instead of blame shifting..you should have just clicked the permissions box.

I have to agree with you. Very well stated. As creators and sellers in this game, we are given options with permissions. Its as simple as a click on copy, modify, or resell. I'll be sure to look into that with my created items. I have been reading everyone's posts. Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't. Which is fine, I am entitled to my own opinion, like everyone else. However, I do know that if I choose to either sell an item, or give one away to someone albeit a noob or not, I will be sure to check the permissions if it is something I do not want resold down the line. I would suggest that all creators do the same. Perhaps instead of blame shifting..you should have just clicked the permissions box.

This is false logic.

If you had created something to pass around for free ("has trans", then
continue to do so.

If someone starts to sell a copy, what do you care?
1) Yes - because I'm selfish and if ANYONE should get money it should be me!
2) Yes - because suddenly ALL other free copies floating around will suddenly
STOP being passed around, and defeat my goal.
3) Yes - because a grown adult might pay a higher price for something than
they have too! Everyone knows adults are no good at comparison shopping,
bargin hunting, or anything of that nature.


... did I miss one?

I have to agree with you. Very well stated. As creators and sellers in this game, we are given options with permissions. Its as simple as a click on copy, modify, or resell. I'll be sure to look into that with my created items. I have been reading everyone's posts. Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't. Which is fine, I am entitled to my own opinion, like everyone else. However, I do know that if I choose to either sell an item, or give one away to someone albeit a noob or not, I will be sure to check the permissions if it is something I do not want resold down the line. I would suggest that all creators do the same. Perhaps instead of blame shifting..you should have just clicked the permissions box.

I feel I was as pleasant as could be under the threatening circumstances. And I still feel that them being bundled was beneficial to you, but to each their own. Those dances are going to be out there now no matter what you do. If I were you I would refocus my energy on something a bit more productive than this. It is all negative energy and bad for all involved.

This is false logic.

If you had created something to pass around for free ("has trans", then
continue to do so.

If someone starts to sell a copy, what do you care?
1) Yes - because I'm selfish and if ANYONE should get money it should be me!
2) Yes - because suddenly ALL other free copies floating around will suddenly
STOP being passed around, and defeat my goal.
3) Yes - because a grown adult might pay a higher price for something than
they have too! Everyone knows adults are no good at comparison shopping,
bargin hunting, or anything of that nature.


... did I miss one?

Talk about blame shifting. The comparison you are talking about is a single, one time sale of an item, which is something different from making unlimited copies of it for sale. The items were sold with no copy permission, yet through exploit, they had their copy permission changed. Additionally, free items that are not meant for sale are being sold. Why is the onus on the creator to stop someone from profiteering off of them?

Best part about this entire situation is i have not tried to step as low as every one of you, its honestly a waste of time. You have most this post out to what.. 18 pages?


Lets think real for a minute..

One. Obviously the general portion against this club lacks IQ, because from I do not see any reasoning, I see choas, What I see Truely however is complete and utter jealousy.

Lets get real for a minute. If these people actually cared for the noobs they would be at the frontline inviting these noobs straight up. I do not see them doing this. The person this thread was made in question of obviously has quite a large reputation and known quite well throughout SL, constantly growing and working - People are jealous because they are not near as productive, near as successful. The ironic part of all of this is that if every one of you shutup just for half a second and stopped complaining about all your little bumps in the road and actually worked *NOT MADE 1 PRODUCT* tons more, its a dedication type level, you would actually be successful. Instead your one and only goal is to login to these forums and complain because somebody has been successful. This problem is not SL however, unfortunatly most of the world is slow.

i see people bashing people for not being able to spell right.. who cares? honestly.. they are trying to get a point through - Maybe English isn't their first language, but this is where the low iq's kick in.. you all feel defeat or are utterly confused and so you actually attack somebody, not realizing you make yourself look like a fool in the eyes of the truely smart person.

I am not saying I myself am a smart person, i could be the most insignificant, the most retarded (yes that was officially a politically correct word until people such as yourselves took it and made it a slanderous, insulting word) person. I am making a valid point that everybody needs to stop pointing fingers and FOCUS. You do not think automobiles, or even technology made it as far as it did today by people pointing fingers do you? 2 of todays most used items consist of several inventions.. not just one. The inventions consist of long hours of thought. That said SL is no different, get to work, stop complaining. and hey - if you truely wanted to help noobs you would make a simple script that prevented it from being sold. How? Use your minds. You all have them.


Now stop the fight its useless information on the net, .. imagine that?

Have a great day

Please point out who I shifted blame on. As I recall, I was stated my opinion.

UGh this is STILL going on?!?! Jeez.... If it doesnt directly involve u... move on. If it DOES directly involve you... then you know who to speak with. Otherwise this forum is gonna go all night, and nothing is going to be different from the first postings. Just Stop already! No reason to tear others apart because you want ur 15 min in SL fame! It's not working ... move it on down the line!

And Emma... nothing is wrong with selling things at yard sales. That was a silly ass thing to say! Have you never bought anything from a yard sale... consignment shop?? You think that Donna Karen is gonna come to hunt yer ass down for selling a Sweater of hers for 10 bucks??!?!?!?! PLEASE!!!!

In other words, I'm inclined to believe their complaints simply because your counter-arguments suck so very much.

This is ... really sad.

*shakes head*

To the defense: I hope that you guys aren't seriously trying to help the individual in question. If so, you might as well stop, because it's really, really, really not working.

For the record, I have no particular reason to bash her, and have absolutely no information on whether these claims are true or not. (I've only been to that club once, just to see what it was, and it lagged horribly the instant I corssed the border, so I've never returned.) I'm looking SOLELY at the calibre of the arguments from the "defense" here. Judging by that, most of you folks are doing more harm to her reputation than the people who claim to have a grievance with her.

In other words, I'm inclined to believe their complaints simply because your counter-arguments suck so very much.

This is false logic.

If you had created something to pass around for free ("has trans", then
continue to do so.

If someone starts to sell a copy, what do you care?
1) Yes - because I'm selfish and if ANYONE should get money it should be me!
2) Yes - because suddenly ALL other free copies floating around will suddenly
STOP being passed around, and defeat my goal.
3) Yes - because a grown adult might pay a higher price for something than
they have too! Everyone knows adults are no good at comparison shopping,
bargin hunting, or anything of that nature.


... did I miss one?

You said for content creators not to shift blame - I was saying that statement in itself is blame shifting on your part from the people doing something they shouldn't to the victims of it. We know how to use the permissions system.

And Not Once Have I Seen Them Steal Or Sell Freebies.... .....They ARENT The Only One "Selling" Freebies If You Will..

But if you bought a Mickey Mouse poster at Disney Land, or was given the same for free, and THEN you put it in a scanner and made COPIES of it and then sold the copies - Disney would be on your ass like white on rice.